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kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated foraRegistered User regular
My gf hasn't seen the star wars movies and I'd like the first watching be as close as possible to the original product. Can anyone recommend me a DVD edition that is affordable? I know there was a special edition that offered a bad copy of the laserdisc, I'd rather skip that. I guess the only thing that is a "must" for me is that Han shoots first.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    kaliyama wrote: »
    Can anyone recommend me a DVD edition that is affordable? I know there was a special edition that offered a bad copy of the laserdisc, I'd rather skip that. I guess the only thing that is a "must" for me is that Han shoots first.

    The only DVD releases of the original theatrical versions of the first three Star Wars films feature non-anamorphic transfers straight off the laserdisc versions, and they're no longer what most folks would consider affordable.

    Of course, unless you have a laserdisc or VHS player, that's the only way to watch the original versions. The VHS versions are much cheaper than the DVD versions, if you have access to a VHS player.

    Edit: And unfortunately, the change to the Han and Greedo scene is in all of the "special edition" versions available on DVD or Blu-Ray.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Yeah unfortunately the DVDs that have the original theatrical release versions of the movies are OOP and have been for several years, and so command hefty prices on eBay, etc.

  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    I have the original trilogy DVD box set that has both special edition and original versions of each movie in the set. Wasn't all that pricey (think I paid $35). I'll have to dig it out if you need any more specifics but it exists.

    [edit]Found it and the date says 2008, so that must be exactly what is being referenced as OOP.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Mulletude wrote: »
    I have the original trilogy DVD box set that has both special edition and original versions of each movie in the set. Wasn't all that pricey (think I paid $35). I'll have to dig it out if you need any more specifics but it exists.

    [edit]Found it and the date says 2008, so that must be exactly what is being referenced as OOP.

    Yep that's the one I've got too, it is the best set IMO. I was lucky and got it right before it went OOP. I was looking to buy another set for a friend who was still rocking her old VHS tapes just a few months later and was SHOCKED to see the prices being asked by Amazon and eBay sellers. :(

  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    Basically what lawndart said. To clarify a little there are a few important dates to keep in mind. All of the VHS/Laserdisc releases from before 1997 are as close as you can legally get to the original theatrical releases. As the wikipedia and wikia pages point out, there were some minor edits made in 1981 before pretty much any of the releases, but the all important "han shot first" and other major edits came in 1997.

    1997 and onwards VHS contain edited versions. In 2004 there was another round of edits made and this is where most DVDs are from. With the exception of the 2006 DVD release, which had both the 2004 edited versions, and a shitty copy of a 1993 laser disc release. Like they didn't even bother to convert it from 4:3 to 16:9, so you have a widescreen film squeezed into a 4:3 frame that is centered in your 16:9 screen. Looks like this:
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    which I got from here, and talks more about the crappy 2006 GOUT release (George's Original Unaltered Trilogy). This is of course also an issue for any of the Laserdisc/VHS releases as they were never intended to be viewed on HD widescreen televisions. Certainly none of the legal releases of the unaltered trilogy will look anywhere near as good as the remastered special edition releases.

    None of the earlier releases are still for sale. Including the 2006 DVD release. So if you want any of these you have to buy them from a private seller, and costs will probably vary wildly.

    There are also fan edits of the films where crazy people have spliced together remastered releases, older releases, pictures, and who knows what else to try and recreate a high quality remaster unaltered edition. The PA report had an article on one of them that has a video about how some of that was accomplished and it's pretty amazing. These are of course of questionable legality, but not that hard to find if you are interested.

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  • MelinoeMelinoe Registered User regular
    I THINK that the fan edits are technically legal IF you own some copy of the movies; I remember being on the website of the ones referenced in the PA Report linked above and I believe they went into all of the nitty gritty legal stuff that made it okay, as well as hosting download links, which I imagine wouldn't have been there long it they were illegal. This may have changed since I was last on the site, however.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Can I strongly recommend that you view the movies in machete order if you're trying to show someone why star wars is great?

    http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html

    What is this I don't even.
  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Oh man, that is brutal. Watching Phantom after you've already watched TESB?

    I'll give you a bro, because that blog post is awesome, but I can't agree with watching the films in that order.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Oh man, that is brutal. Watching Phantom after you've already watched TESB?

    I'll give you a bro, because that blog post is awesome, but I can't agree with watching the films in that order.

    If you read down what he actually suggests is not watching TPM at all.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Sorry, I typed Phantom but meant Clone Wars.

    I mean, II is arguably the least watchable of the prequels (an argument could be made for I, but it's a close call in any case), and you're seeing it right after the best film of the original trilogy.

    I can't help but think it'll make the bad so much worse.



    ...I've got to try it now, though. :P

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Can I strongly recommend that you view the movies in machete order if you're trying to show someone why star wars is great?

    http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html

    Genius. She is watching them just so she can appreciate the xwing miniature game more, so we will stick to the original 3, but the machete order seems the best concession to the existence of the second three movies. Lets see if JJ does to Star Wars what he did to Star Trek, which would probably prompt the machete order to.be renamed to the Friday the 13th Order.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Sorry, I typed Phantom but meant Clone Wars.

    I mean, II is arguably the least watchable of the prequels (an argument could be made for I, but it's a close call in any case), and you're seeing it right after the best film of the original trilogy.

    I can't help but think it'll make the bad so much worse.



    ...I've got to try it now, though. :P

    The main thing I like about it his big point: It makes Luke falling to the dark side believable. When I first watched them as a kid, I didn't even realize that some of the stuff was hinting at Luke falling, I just figured he was pissed. Putting it in context makes the actual jedi dark/light narrative understandable and interesting.

    What is this I don't even.
  • VelVel Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Can I strongly recommend that you view the movies in machete order if you're trying to show someone why star wars is great?

    http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html

    That's awesome. I'm definitely going to watch them this way with my family over the holidays.

  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    Reading through these posts about all the editing shenanigans made me think one thing; thank goodness George Lucas isn't in charge of this anymore.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    phantom menace is great, and the han slash greebo fight is three seconds that nobody would care about if it wasn't obsessed over. just get some dvds and watch them. the more energy you apply to hating lucas the less fun you'll have.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    bsjezz wrote: »
    phantom menace is great

    No.
    and the han slash greebo fight is three seconds that nobody would care about if it wasn't obsessed over.

    Lucas cared enough to keep fucking with it for some reason, which is half the reason it bothers people.
    just get some dvds and watch them.

    As discussed earlier in the thread, there aren't any DVDs, unless you're willing to pay out the ass.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    As discussed earlier in the thread, there aren't any DVDs, unless you're willing to pay out the ass.

    I felt a great disturbance in the force - as if a million thrift store owners cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced by paypal.

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  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    greebo

    IT'S GREEDO

    Just kidding. But machete order seems like a good idea!

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I just rewatched episode IV today starting up the Machete order listed above. I have to say the Greedo thing didn't bother me that much anymore. They're practically shooting at the same time at this point.

    I am very tempted to watch this despecialized edition though.

  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    Greebo sounds like a cheap knockoff version of Greedo.

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    yes helo i am greebo

  • BillyIdleBillyIdle What does "katana" mean? It means "Japanese sword."Registered User regular
    I havent watched the despecialized editions yet, saving that for when my gf is back home from school.
    I did watch the first 5 minutes of A New Hope and honestly, my jaw dropped. Best version to watch ever.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I thought the double copies I got from walmart had both edited and unedited versions.

    am I mistaken?

    I'll have to rewatch, but I was pretty sure that Han shot first on the ones I'm thinking of.

  • physi_marcphysi_marc Positron Tracker In a nutshellRegistered User regular
    You know what's better than Machete order? Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. No prequels.

    I would just recommend downloading Harmy's Despecialized Editions of the movies. If you search for this phrase, you can easily find them. If not, then your best bet is to stomach the special editions and get the cheapest DVD or Blu-ray set you can find.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I thought the double copies I got from walmart had both edited and unedited versions.

    am I mistaken?

    I'll have to rewatch, but I was pretty sure that Han shot first on the ones I'm thinking of.

    You probably got the 2006 edition which did infact include the original "mostly" unaltered trilogy, but those dvds aren't for sale anymore so you have to get them second hand. Plus as the monicker GOUT implies, those bonus discs look real bad on a HDTV. Most of the nerd community seems to believe that lucas did that on purpose so that the specialized editions look much better in comparison. That way most people would just get the versions that he wanted people to have.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I thought the double copies I got from walmart had both edited and unedited versions.

    am I mistaken?

    I'll have to rewatch, but I was pretty sure that Han shot first on the ones I'm thinking of.

    You probably got the 2006 edition which did infact include the original "mostly" unaltered trilogy, but those dvds aren't for sale anymore so you have to get them second hand. Plus as the monicker GOUT implies, those bonus discs look real bad on a HDTV. Most of the nerd community seems to believe that lucas did that on purpose so that the specialized editions look much better in comparison. That way most people would just get the versions that he wanted people to have.

    oohhh gotcha

    I haven't watched them on my HD TV yet, so I didn't know!

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I thought the double copies I got from walmart had both edited and unedited versions.

    am I mistaken?

    I'll have to rewatch, but I was pretty sure that Han shot first on the ones I'm thinking of.

    You probably got the 2006 edition which did infact include the original "mostly" unaltered trilogy, but those dvds aren't for sale anymore so you have to get them second hand. Plus as the monicker GOUT implies, those bonus discs look real bad on a HDTV. Most of the nerd community seems to believe that lucas did that on purpose so that the specialized editions look much better in comparison. That way most people would just get the versions that he wanted people to have.

    oohhh gotcha

    I haven't watched them on my HD TV yet, so I didn't know!

    They're not adapted to widescreen, so you get a letterboxed low resolution 4:3 picture in the middle of your 16:9 set:

    nonanamorphic.jpg

  • ZenitramZenitram Registered User regular
    I had no idea about the Despecialized Edition, that sounds pretty awesome.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    I can verify that the despecialized editions are amazing, even if you're only watching them for the resolution improvements.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I've gotten through episode 2 now on the machete cut. Going from ESB to ep2 is a really hard swing. It highlights how bad 2 really is in a lot of ways.

    So ah... Maybe take a week or so between them?

  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    I am so thankful I have the DVD set with the original versions (non stupid special edition crap). The original music scene in Jedi in Jabbas palace was so much better then the stupid CGI shitfest he added.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I thought the double copies I got from walmart had both edited and unedited versions.

    am I mistaken?

    I'll have to rewatch, but I was pretty sure that Han shot first on the ones I'm thinking of.

    You probably got the 2006 edition which did infact include the original "mostly" unaltered trilogy, but those dvds aren't for sale anymore so you have to get them second hand. Plus as the monicker GOUT implies, those bonus discs look real bad on a HDTV. Most of the nerd community seems to believe that lucas did that on purpose so that the specialized editions look much better in comparison. That way most people would just get the versions that he wanted people to have.

    oohhh gotcha

    I haven't watched them on my HD TV yet, so I didn't know!

    I have the same set, I think? The DVDs came with a 'CGI' version and then an 'Original' Version that was transferred from like, the old reels or something? Isn't that why they are supposed to look like shit on an HD TV because they were recorded forty years ago?

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I thought the double copies I got from walmart had both edited and unedited versions.

    am I mistaken?

    I'll have to rewatch, but I was pretty sure that Han shot first on the ones I'm thinking of.

    You probably got the 2006 edition which did infact include the original "mostly" unaltered trilogy, but those dvds aren't for sale anymore so you have to get them second hand. Plus as the monicker GOUT implies, those bonus discs look real bad on a HDTV. Most of the nerd community seems to believe that lucas did that on purpose so that the specialized editions look much better in comparison. That way most people would just get the versions that he wanted people to have.

    oohhh gotcha

    I haven't watched them on my HD TV yet, so I didn't know!

    I have the same set, I think? The DVDs came with a 'CGI' version and then an 'Original' Version that was transferred from like, the old reels or something? Isn't that why they are supposed to look like shit on an HD TV because they were recorded forty years ago?

    They are off of the laserdisc release of the OT.

    If they'd bothered to do a scan of the original film for the original versions it'd look way better, because film is natively higher resolution than even BD.

  • DHS OdiumDHS Odium Registered User regular
    The fanedit called "Star Wars: Revisited" is my definitive copy. Lots of color correction improvements, sound fixes, additions and subtractions that make it an amazing version of the film in a way you'd expect LucasArts to be capable of.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    You mean Lucasfilm?

    RIP LucasArts

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