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Versailles on the Potomac (and Hudson): The American Political Media

enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
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Anyone who's been following the political threads in these here forums know that I have a special disdain for the American news media. Alternately, if you participated in either of my Daily Show Phallas you will know that I loathe them pretty passionately. Especially David Broder, even if he's dead. They're terrible at their jobs for one, but more importantly they face absolutely no accountability. But before we begin, a few caveats:

1) This is not the LOL Fox News thread. Nor is it the LOLGOP thread. While they are frequently ridiculous, the topic here is the news media. This is explicitly not a place to talk about whatever crazypants thing that Louis Gohmert said. You can criticize someone for not challenging said crazypants thing.

Example:
Did you hear that Gohmert said that Obama wants to kill all white children so there are only minorities in the future?

NO, BAD.
Jesus Christ, David Gregory just failed to challenge Jon Kyl lying about Planned Parenthood.

Correct!
Dammit, Ron Fournier, Obamacare is not like Iraq or Katrina. No one drowned/got shot waiting for the website to load. Moron.

Also correct!

2) As such, if you are a conservative and would like to point out failures of liberals in the media? Go for it. Hell, if you're a liberal and want to point out the failures of liberals in the media, I would encourage that. This is about document awful, stupid things the media does. We are bipartisan in our shitty media (as most of MSNBC in primetime will attest). Or Roger Cohen.
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If you attack Rachel Maddow though, I will cut you.

With those caveats in place, let's talk about the media.

(I'm leaving this passage in because it amused me)

Recently I've been frustrated with the general tone of the coverage of the death of Osama bin Laden and the generally wrongness of most of what they say. Obviously they were mindlessly repeating everything the White House said initially and the White House's initial reports were confused, at best. This is a tendency the media has, to blindly repeat the claims of the powerful. Which is an obvious problem. The other issue I have with the tone is my Chris Matthews example up above. He conceives of the mission to kill Bin Laden in terms of cowboys and indians and dudes with big balls. And the same of politics generally. Bush was great back when he was flying out to the flight deck because the flight suit emphasized his groin.

Anyway, someone decided to actually do a study (link is a PDF) on a selection of media members and politicians used as pundits and see how accurate their predictions were. Senators did poorly, some of the better columnists (and Maureen Dowd, somehow) did well. Paul Krugman was the best, mostly because he tended to stick to his main areas of expertise when it came to making predictions. Cal Thomas was the worst. While I was reading some analysis of this study though, I came across something that made clear the extent to which pundits in particular face zero accountability (though the entirety of the Iraq War is pretty good evidence).

Behold:
“Liberalization is a ploy…the Wall will remain”

George Will wrote that in Newsweek, in an edition of that magazine appearing on November 9, 1989. Within twelve hours of it being published, this happened:

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George Will, as I'm sure you know, is still writing for the Washington Post as probably their premiere conservative columnist. These days he's mostly writing false things about climate change.

So there's no accountability, little accuracy, and general failure in the American news media. Obviously things aren't changing, but at least we can provide some catharthic relief by mocking them here.

One term of art: I tend to refer to the media collectively as "The Village." The origin of this term is from this post by Digby. Its general meaning is explained as such:
In political terms, the term “Villagers” denotes a kind of small-minded refusal to think outside an “acceptable” center-right consensus, and a refusal to acknowledge it when a majority of the American people take a view on a particular issue that is not in line with that center-right consensus. Thus, the “Villagers” include, in part, Democratic elected officials and consultants who insist that their party can’t succeed unless they ally their party with that center-right consensus; think-tankers who churn out position papers designed to prop up this elite consensus view; and elite pundits who insist that mainstream liberal views are radically leftist and insist on “bipartisanship” for its own sake, damn the consequences.

This elite consensus, in the view of the bloggers, represents this particular Village’s hidebound small-town values, which must be maintained at all costs to protect this elite’s status and interests.

The slightly more generous term is "Versailles on the Potomac."

Once again: not a partisan thread, all media bashing/analysis is welcome here. And not an inherently political thread, or it will become locked.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Oh, something I meant to post in the last thread, but didn't:

    Up here in Canada, our Senate functions a bit differently, in that our Senators are appointed for life / until they turn 75, whichever comes up first. Our Senators are also appointed by our Prime Minister, and not elected. Some places hold elections to try and influence the appointments to give their candidate more legitimacy, but it is non-binding.

    Anyways, a bunch of our Senators were found to be claiming per-diem and housing allowances that they were not eligible for. There was a huge audit, with multiple senators having to step down or be removed.

    One of the Senators is now being hired by a "gossip" newspaper / publisher to drive up their ratings. Which seems to be in especially poor taste. Though I know disgraced politicians getting media jobs is kind of old hat for you Americans.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    One of the Senators is now being hired by a "gossip" newspaper / publisher to drive up their ratings. Which seems to be in especially poor taste. Though I know disgraced politicians getting media jobs is kind of old hat for you Americans.

    Disgraced politicians?

    FOX hires war criminals (Ollie North).

    Make. Time.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Allen West is the better more recent example.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Allen West is the better more recent example.

    Well, yes, they keep upping their game it seems.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Honestly its like the worst trolling ever.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Honestly its like the worst trolling ever.

    Don't forget, any critics who say anything about those guys are unpatriotic commies who don't recognize the brave sacrifices those men made in the service of their country!

    Make. Time.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Torturing people and giving aid and comfort to enemies, hella patriotic!

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Torturing people and giving aid and comfort to enemies, hella patriotic!

    That's what the liberal media, academically recorded history, proven factual knowledge, and the truth want you to believe.

    Make. Time.
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I had to laugh that during Kelly's santa is a white man meltdown one of her idiotic guests on fox said "You can't just take facts and change them to fit your narrative." SHE SAID THIS ON FOX!

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I had to laugh that during Kelly's santa is a white man meltdown one of her idiotic guests on fox said "You can't just take facts and change them to fit your narrative." SHE SAID THIS ON FOX!

    Yes. I almost choked on pure confusion and rage.

    It'd be like someone on CNN going on a tirade about softball journos hiding behind the facade of moral relativism to keep the Group Owners happy.

    Make. Time.
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    It'd be like someone on MSNBC complaining about people taking it easy on liberals LOL BOTH SIDES ARE BAD!

    No but seriously, I only saw the clip because it was on the daily show, the only time I see the Kelly files is at the gym and mercifully its only in subtitle if I had to hear her stupid righteous indignation voice I'd stab my ear drum.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    So, Alex Pareene and Salon are doing their annual Hack List, where they skewer the year's top hacks in their own voice.

    10: Malcolm Gladwell

    9: Thomas Friedman

    8: Peggy Noonan

    7: Henry Blodget

    6: Erick Erickson

    5: Richard Cohen

    4: David Brooks

    3: Benny Johnson

    2: Mark Halperin & John Heilemann

    1: Mike Allen

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Its got to be Rubin again, no way she escapes.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Its got to be Rubin again, no way she escapes.

    I don't know - Logan's made a strong play for it.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Why isn't S.E. Cupp on that list?

    Make. Time.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    You have to write to be on it, not show up like a porn librarian and shout gop viagra.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    I swear they aren't even trying to pretend it's about anything but sexual arousal anymore. Like, S.E. Cupp is just straight up conservative pornography.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Like, S.E. Cupp is just straight up conservative pornography.

    Yup.

    Don't click this because it tries for sexy and ends up being... fucking creepy.

    Make. Time.
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Like, S.E. Cupp is just straight up conservative pornography.

    Yup.

    Don't click this because it tries for sexy and ends up being... fucking creepy.

    Wow. I'm not sure who to be disgusted with more : BMN or BuzzFeed.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Why not both!

    Seriously though Cupp is a Palin. A grifter using her sexuality to get her somewhere she does not belong.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    It's "News Entertainment" on FOX, kind of like how the WWE is "Sports Entertainment."

    Make. Time.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Isn't Cupp on the new horrible crossfire with slumming it Stephanie Cutter and Future husband of hers Newt Gingrich?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    So, Alex Pareene and Salon are doing their annual Hack List, where they skewer the year's top hacks in their own voice.

    10: Malcolm Gladwell

    9: Thomas Friedman

    8: Peggy Noonan

    7: Henry Blodget

    6: Erick Erickson

    5: Richard Cohen

    4: David Brooks

    3: Benny Johnson

    2: Mark Halperin & John Heilemann

    1:

    Most of the columns have done such a good job of impersonating these people I have a hard time actually reading them. Also I tend to think Gladwell is the most dangerous of them.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Benny Johnson's was so spot on I almost closed the window.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Preacher wrote: »
    Why not both!

    Seriously though Cupp is a Palin. A grifter using her sexuality to get her somewhere she does not belong.

    Yeah, I'm going to stomp this line of discussion dead right now before it goes to an extremely unfortunate place.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Now that I see they are writing in the style of the author I don't know how they could do Rubin. I mean release a GOP press release with her name in it?

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  • ConsernedConcervativeConsernedConcervative Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Torturing people and giving aid and comfort to enemies, hella patriotic!

    I'm not sure if this is ironic. This describes both Allen West and Barack Obama, but one gets a pass (and a Nobel Peace Prize to boot), the other is evil.

    I'm hoping beyond hope the "hack of the year" award goes to Paul Krugman, but alas, I really can't imagine how would Alex Pareene incorporate a baboon throwing feces at people who disagree with him.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    You didn't even spell either word in your username right.

    Geez. This is a classy place!

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  • ConsernedConcervativeConsernedConcervative Registered User regular
    You didn't even spell either word in your username right.

    Geez. This is a classy place!

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Shit, conservative humor strikes again.

    I'm not going to challenge you to defend stuff because this thread especially is supposed to be about shitty examples of media from either side. So if you've got some of Krugman's stuff of him being stupid by all means post it. You may want to steer away from stuff like the President comment simply because he isn't a member of the media. I don't think we have a general "President" thread right now but if you put together a decent OP this forum would be the place for it. I would suggest you be prepared for challenges in such a thread though. If you can tough it out, kudos to you. This is a rough patch for conservatives.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    Preacher wrote: »
    Torturing people and giving aid and comfort to enemies, hella patriotic!

    I'm not sure if this is ironic. This describes both Allen West and Barack Obama, but one gets a pass (and a Nobel Peace Prize to boot), the other is evil.

    What guy did Obama torture?

    I'm hoping beyond hope the "hack of the year" award goes to Paul Krugman, but alas, I really can't imagine how would Alex Pareene incorporate a baboon throwing feces at people who disagree with him.

    Do explain why.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Torturing people and giving aid and comfort to enemies, hella patriotic!

    I'm not sure if this is ironic. This describes both Allen West and Barack Obama, but one gets a pass (and a Nobel Peace Prize to boot), the other is evil.

    I'm hoping beyond hope the "hack of the year" award goes to Paul Krugman, but alas, I really can't imagine how would Alex Pareene incorporate a baboon throwing feces at people who disagree with him.

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    Seriously, though, this should be interesting.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    That picture never gets old.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Shit, conservative humor strikes again.

    I'm not going to challenge you to defend stuff because this thread especially is supposed to be about shitty examples of media from either side. So if you've got some of Krugman's stuff of him being stupid by all means post it. You may want to steer away from stuff like the President comment simply because he isn't a member of the media. I don't think we have a general "President" thread right now but if you put together a decent OP this forum would be the place for it. I would suggest you be prepared for challenges in such a thread though. If you can tough it out, kudos to you. This is a rough patch for conservatives.

    Actually, an Obama thread would be subject to mod petition. The last one turned into a megathread and got mod'd to death.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Torturing people and giving aid and comfort to enemies, hella patriotic!

    I'm not sure if this is ironic. This describes both Allen West and Barack Obama, but one gets a pass (and a Nobel Peace Prize to boot), the other is evil.

    I'm hoping beyond hope the "hack of the year" award goes to Paul Krugman, but alas, I really can't imagine how would Alex Pareene incorporate a baboon throwing feces at people who disagree with him.

    6a00d8341bf80c53ef0192abfac237970d-320wi

    Seriously, though, this should be interesting.

    Screaming about papists in 3...

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  • JuliusJulius Registered User regular
    So, Alex Pareene and Salon are doing their annual Hack List, where they skewer the year's top hacks in their own voice.

    10: Malcolm Gladwell

    9: Thomas Friedman

    8: Peggy Noonan

    7: Henry Blodget

    6: Erick Erickson

    5: Richard Cohen

    4: David Brooks

    3: Benny Johnson

    2: Mark Halperin & John Heilemann

    1:

    Most of the columns have done such a good job of impersonating these people I have a hard time actually reading them. Also I tend to think Gladwell is the most dangerous of them.

    Gladwell is so convincing that even when it's someone pretending to be Gladwell writing something he is still convincing.

    Hack down to an art form. It's a writing style that makes everyone go "oh that's quite all right then" regardless of what is actually being said.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    CNN has just announced that 99% of chicken sold in America is "contaminated with bacteria."

    I eagerly await their information regarding sky color and just how wet water might be.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I saw on MSNBC this morning a poll number of slightly more than 50% of uninsured people that say that they won't have insurance by the March deadline, and don't trust "Obamacare", and Chuck Todd, haha, just could not figure out who these people were, and for what reason they didn't trust the exchanges. Like it was some big fucking mystery.

    Like he couldn't think of a large group of poo(R) people who typically vote against thei(R) own inte(R)ests and get thei(R) news f(R)om a less than (R)eliable Fox, I mean sou(R)ce.

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    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    I saw on MSNBC this morning a poll number of slightly more than 50% of uninsured people that say that they won't have insurance by the March deadline, and don't trust "Obamacare", and Chuck Todd, haha, just could not figure out who these people were, and for what reason they didn't trust the exchanges. Like it was some big fucking mystery.

    Like he couldn't think of a large group of poo(R) people who typically vote against thei(R) own inte(R)ests and get thei(R) news f(R)om a less than (R)eliable Fox, I mean sou(R)ce.

    I'll bet that number will eventually be 100%!
    This is like asking people who've grouped themselves into the "Hates Puppies" group what they think of dogs.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    There was some other poll recently that was asking people about things that are quantifiable by fact. Like "has obamacare raised your insurance costs" so of course the numbers were all high because people in america are fucking idiots. But its like you shouldn't ask people what they "feel" when you can simply check a number of real resources to see the reality of things.

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