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Why are we not talking about [Legal Marijuana] in multiple states and now for Vets?
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We've had so many discussions in D&D about should marijuana be legalized, and the war on drugs in general. Well the day has come and it turns out, all the naysayers were right! Weed is evil!
Marijuana overdoses killed 37 people in the first day!
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marijuana-overdoses-kill-37-in-colorado-on-first-day-of-legalization/
Ok, so that site is satire, like the onion, but news station and dumb people are picking up on it and reporting it as fact in some places. As far as I can tell things have gone swimmingly and sales are through the roof. Colorado is expecting 67M in tax revenue this year
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/04/us/colorado-marijuana-legalization-store/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
Shops had so many customers owners dropped the limit per purchase to an 1/8 of an ounce so that they wouldn't run out.
Remember, marijuana is still illegal Federally, and that many employers are still requiring drug screening for employment. This is the big thing IMO on how this plays out in the state
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2014/01/marijuana_may_be_legal_in_colo.html
It'll be interesting to see personal responsibility (IE people coming to work high) and how the state shifts pre employment screening.
Anybody in Colorado and Washington want to chime in on how things seem?
*edit* and in 2014 Alaska, Oregon, and DC add legalized marijuana
Marijuana overdoses killed 37 people in the first day!
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marijuana-overdoses-kill-37-in-colorado-on-first-day-of-legalization/
Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.
According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on Jan. 1, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.
"It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver. "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute.
"We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuria and multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?"
Ok, so that site is satire, like the onion, but news station and dumb people are picking up on it and reporting it as fact in some places. As far as I can tell things have gone swimmingly and sales are through the roof. Colorado is expecting 67M in tax revenue this year
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/04/us/colorado-marijuana-legalization-store/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
Shops had so many customers owners dropped the limit per purchase to an 1/8 of an ounce so that they wouldn't run out.
Remember, marijuana is still illegal Federally, and that many employers are still requiring drug screening for employment. This is the big thing IMO on how this plays out in the state
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2014/01/marijuana_may_be_legal_in_colo.html
It'll be interesting to see personal responsibility (IE people coming to work high) and how the state shifts pre employment screening.
Anybody in Colorado and Washington want to chime in on how things seem?
*edit* and in 2014 Alaska, Oregon, and DC add legalized marijuana
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lol this is a good point. I'm about to look through my list of friends on FB who live in colorado and see what they've been up to
About the weed I care less.
This of course is a problem because I think it's how a lot of middle left, centrist, and middle right people view marijauna - it's a silly thing that silly people do, lol stoners, why are we even talking about this, gonna get the munchies lol. I would say this is a frequent view most people that deal with marijuana like this are middle class(ish) and white, and marijauana is just a nuisance, and they mainly have to deal with stoned teenagers and potheads, a slap on the wrist from cops, and so forth.
This is has been great for people that want to keep prohibition because it neatly sidesteps some of the more serious issues about keep weed illegal.
Like these:
black people smoke marijuana at about the same rate as white people, but are arrested at a much, much higher rate for it.
not to mention nearly half of our drug arrests are for.... weed. weed is such a non issue lol stoners that half of our drug arrests are to stop the dastardly potheads from lighting up.
Unfortunately it looks like decriminalizing didn't reduce the disparity, but at least it reduced the arrests overall.
David Brooks embarasses himself from time to time, yeah, but his article did shed some light on the eye-rolling, 'why are we talking about this' attitude that surrounds marijuana legalization.
People aren't talking about legalized weed as much because everybody's waiting to see what the impact of the actual policy is, I guess. The measures passed, so everybody can wait six months or a year before getting up in arms about it again.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
In these parts the vote came out to not allow recreational use stores. So instead of generating tax money (which if I'm not mistaken the first several million is spoken for, going directly to schools) it's going to random fuckin' guys. Around here I'm not sure it would make much of a difference though. There's already a large infrastructure for the illegal trade, lots of room to grow, a very relaxed view on it, and it's cheaper for the consumer to go slightly more illegal.
I can see pot tourists being a huge problem. Driving all stoned out of their gourds cause they can't just go home to get high. Taking what's left after their holiday back home and getting busted. Smuggling it over to the east coast to make a profit.
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I know marijuana doesn't weigh a lot, but I'm genuinely curious how much the average recreational user is going to purchase in order to have a relaxing toke on the weekend, etc.
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People who are dismissive of this issue are universally not minorities in Texas (or most other southern states).
Neither are the "legalize pot man!" brigade.
Quarter of pot = 7.0 grams
Half ounce and ounce are self explanatory.
As to the amount of doobies/joints it depends on the style of whomever is rolling said splif.
I don't know how I know this stuff by the way.
haha one of those things is not like the others
what I was thinking of on first read was that Colorado had somehow acquired a market for synthetic cannabis, which has been shown to have medical complications. That's still illegal though
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That shit is exactly the reason we need to legalize marijuana.
FWIW from someone in Washington - I smoke one or two smallish bowls per week and an eighth will typically last me around 4 months, maybe a little less if I wind up sharing with my wife/friends. I'll be curious to see what state stores do to the pricing what with the taxes, but currently I can maintain a mild habit for like $10 per month.
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Some of us actually think the drug war is an important thing to discuss and criticize. I find it kind of odd that this particular discussion invites apparently acceptably dismissive stereotypes towards people who find this policy damaging in the same forum where pretty much any other stereotype will get you dogpiled, and rightly so.
Some of us don't get into this for the whole counterculture aspect. Some of us have personal experience with relatives wasting away because their state doesn't allow them to take something that would help. Some of us have been imprisoned for one stupid decision which they haven't repeated since.
Idiot stoner slacker losers are not the only people who are invested in ending prohibition and it's incredibly goose-like to insinuate that those people are the biggest or even most vocal part of that group.
I'm also curious how many people have discovered friends and relatives smoke that hid it before. I know it's still early to see how this affects everything, but some people predicted disasters on day one. So far I haven't heard of any problems except people being sold out. Now, however, the weekend is here. People will be going out and partying, and accidents will happen. I'm also curious to see how the news reports a nasty dui, where say the persons BAC is .15 but there is a slight amount of marijuana in his system.
Synthetic marijuana is a really sketchy shitstorm. The closet chemists will always just throw a new functional group on an old outlawed molecule. The law is getting more general now but that crap might even be worse than meth in certain ways.
The real test in Denver, IMO, will be next weekend when the Broncos are hosting a playoff game.
There's a difference between "legalize pot" and "end the drug war". Which was the point that you missed and the point Kaputa missed as well and is exactly what tinwiskers is talking about.
The two points have some overlap, but they aren't at all the same and have large non-overlapping portions. It's not stereotyping to point out that large portions of the "legalize pot!" movement are interested in nothing more then getting stoned legally. Which you'll find few people here have a problem with. But it's not the same as being against the drug war and it's not about being or knowing an unjustly persecuted minority.
It's been embraced around the SF Giants, and Let Timmy Smoke chants, it'll be interesting to see how it's taken there. They seem really really lax at the airports in Denver with it. It's not allowed, but nobody is looking
This is still a gross oversimplification given that potheads are unlikely to have any kind of difficulty getting weed if they're experienced. I would also ask you to consider what a pothead is. Someone who smokes everyday? What about someone who drinks wine everyday, maybe a glass with dinner or a finger or two of scotch before retiring for the evening?
What about people who go to wine tastings? People who own bars? People that are passionate about beer? People that brew their own beer or own a microbrewery? Are these people alcoholics? Are they booze heads?
Is it possible that you're buying into the idea that pot smokers are a bunch of lazy assholes who can't possibly enjoy weed for any other reason that they want to get blitzed?
Or maybe they want to pay taxes on it and get excited about the process of growing it and talking about and thinking about it,
similar to how someone might want to track grapes as they become a Malbec.
I would imagine a lot of people who like weed are somewhat irritated by how pervasive another intoxicant, alcohol is, and how it's socially acceptable to be excited about finely crafted alcohol, but people who want to come into the light with their weed are just a bunch of potheads.
I am not particularly excited by weed, I enjoy it, but it's not something that excited my passion. But I'm willing to bet it legitimately excited a lot of people.
It doesn't change the fact that there are two seperate movements at work and while anybody and their grandmum could get ahold of pot if they wanted to, the legalize pot movement is not directly analogous to the anti-dru- war because some people would very much rather be able to get their pot legally.
Sorry if that's too complicated for you
In either case I am scheduled to fly to my company's denver office sometime this year, so fuck yeah.
Thats cool. Really. But Youre high if you think the majority of the egaluze pot movement isnt a bunch of guys not letting Dave in.
The legitimate practical and medical uses for it are overshadowed by the people whove hurt the movement with theur irrespinsible attitudes. It is they who are the majority and thats a problem
that said I think the medical marijuana movement may have hurt legalization more than helped. people saw it as stoners finding a loophole to smoke pot, not the people affected by severe cerebral palsy who can find actual, tangible benefits from using it. all in all it'll be a slow process but I think we will see it legalized on the nationwide level sometime in the next 5-10 years. if states at the local level determine it's better as a taxable revenue, eventually the feds will have to follow suit.
What are you basing this view on? Any sort of data or just anecdotal evidence? Or a news media that has been delighted to put forward the lol stoners narrative?
How do you know it's a majority?
I am pretty fucking far from what you would describe as a traditional stoner, and I would love for that to be legal because there is no,good reason for it not to be.
I also know that if I were ever caught, I would get a decent lawyer, have my charges reduced or dropped, and walk away due to privilege. I would be an idiot to not take advantage of it. But it still sucks that that is the case. I also know I will likely never get caught because, again, they never search the white guy in a suit.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Something I said myself already in the post you replied to and not something you said in your own post, which was some weird mush attacking some strawman who was apparently saying all people who smoke pot are from a Cheech and Chong film before he wandered off down the yellow brick road.
I still have no idea what you are going on about alcohol for, but it's got nothing to do with the topic or the discussion in the posts you were responding to, which was about the reasons for people wanting to legalize pot. Which most definitely include a shit ton of people just in it for legal weed.
How do you know its not?
Burden of proof should fall on you since youre arguing otherwise and just discredited pretty much any source I could post as a media conspiracy
He didn't even state the reverse of your claim.