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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited January 2014
    This Week in Smite:
    • Geb is coming. For those that don't know, he's a guardian.
    • New Arena may feature the triumphant return of the manticore. Last week they stated we may have as many as three Arena queues until they iron something out.
    • Assault healer balance in the works? Maybe, I dunno, not have characters that can heal simultaneously be mages? I really don't like that aspect of the game.
    • Smite's playerbase is "growing wild", and they're constantly hitting new records.
    • Pool Party Poseidon will be available at launch. RELEASE THE QUACKEN.
    • Double Damage Potion has been axed in favor of utility potions.
    Pool Party Poseidon is actually the result of a poll they did, with Fargate Anubis being the first of these poll skins released. Naturally, Hi-Rez being Hi-Rez, of the ten characters on there, only three were skins for female characters, and two of those were "sexy" skins (Cheerleader Neith and, I swear I'm not joking, "Sexy Soviet" Athena). Chang'e in Wonderland would actually be really cool, so I look forward to being angry when Communist Cleavage Athena ultimately wins.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    You know, I have no idea why, but I never could get the hang of Athena's kit. Just always felt off.

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  • EvilCakeEvilCake Richmond VARegistered User regular
    I used to feel the same, now she is one of my favorites

  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Her kit is.... somewhat counter intuitive? complex? but very, very good.

  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    there's definitely a learning curve to athena but she's been borderline OP from square one

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    I think my brain can't switch it off that she doesn't play like Leona, and that she's closer to Shen.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    I want a Chang'e skin where she's in a rabbit costume and the bunny is in a dress

  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    though knowing hi-rez she'd end up in a playboy bunny suit

  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Tencent has the last say on Chinese characters, so yeah...playboy bunny.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    This video is entitled "You Know Who'S Balanced In Assault?"
    http://youtu.be/4Mx_gs_atQc

  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    n e one wanna smite?

  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    I need to hit the sack soon, sadly

    but here's a thing in the meantime

    http://youtu.be/-BxFXPhZbDA

  • eddizhereeddizhere Scrubber Than A Sponge Scrubtown, USARegistered User regular
    I've learned an important lesson this weekend. Never League on the weekends.

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    Geez these have been a fun few days but I really have to delete lol

    It's getting too addictive

  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    She has like two moves for escaping/engaging the enemy

    How is that even fair man

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Saddest quadruple post in history.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Peas wrote: »
    She has like two moves for escaping/engaging the enemy

    How is that even fair man

    Riven is super unbalanced and probably OP right now. Her early game damage is ridiculous and I hate that she has a low cooldown shield that scales off AD. There are only two things I know of that you can do to survive her in lane. First, don't feed. Live under tower and lose some farm if you have to but don't let her get that early kill or there's really no end to that snowball. Second, try out some of the other OP champs yourself right now e.g. Mundo, Shyvana, or Nasus.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Riven is one of the reasons I hope there are never resourceless gods in SMITE

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  • Sir Headless VIISir Headless VII Registered User regular
    Riven is one of the reasons I hope there are never resourceless gods in SMITE

    There are plenty of balanced resourceless champs, riven is not one of them.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    so some time soon (possibly as soon as the next patch) players are going to randomly get one of the two arena variants hi-rez wants to test when they queue for arena

    I've got kind of a bad feeling about that method but it might be fun to try something new and I guess ~it's still in beeetaaa~

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    Riven is one of the reasons I hope there are never resourceless gods in SMITE

    There are plenty of balanced resourceless champs, riven is not one of them.

    my problem with it is that smite's already got a bit of an issue with there basically being an objective best way to build a lot of the characters and I feel like characters not needing to even consider mana or mp5 as wanted stats would exacerbate that

  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    I'm interested in seeing whatever weird thing they want to roll out. They did a pretty good job with the assault rework after all. Between that and the new tank Smite should be interesting this week

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Riven is one of the reasons I hope there are never resourceless gods in SMITE

    Giving Riven a mana bar wouldn't change the fact that she can all in and kill almost any opposing top lane champ at level 2. Her q is fucking three moves in one.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    While I wind up enjoying playing them, I'm not sure resourceless champs were ever good design. I think the only manaless champs to start with were Kat and Mundo, and Kat was always considered (and still seems to be, at times) unstable to balance and either total garbage excepting stomps or just plain OP. Granted, lategame mana isn't particularly an issue for anybody in League, but giving characters effective HP or mobility in lane for no cost seems to be arbitrarily tossing out one of your balance options.

    It is interesting that from watching League over time, they've more and more switched off balancing via mana, with mana only being a balance factor on a few high cost junglers and for preventing total spam of abilities. While blue did stop being infinite mana and huge CDR, all the itemization and most new champs really make it difficult to run out of mana without trying to do so in lane.

    EDIT: Giving Riven a mana bar would stop her from being able to arbitrarily keeping up 3 stacks of her passive by missing Qs and mean that she couldn't dash in reaction to any possible trade against a ranged top. Even if she could go all in, it would at least have consideration attached to it.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    so some time soon (possibly as soon as the next patch) players are going to randomly get one of the two arena variants hi-rez wants to test when they queue for arena

    I've got kind of a bad feeling about that method but it might be fun to try something new and I guess ~it's still in beeetaaa~
    This is disappointing because they originally were going to just make it a separate queue, but I guess they wanted to ensure that it got played.

    Also, sorry I haven't been on much. This was my last week of break before the next semester, so I've had to start going to bed like an actual adult instead of Smiting past midnight.

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  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    This video is entitled "You Know Who'S Balanced In Assault?"
    http://youtu.be/4Mx_gs_atQc

    Chang'e is soooooo difficult to play.

  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Granted, lategame mana isn't particularly an issue for anybody in League

    This is absolutely untrue. Swain, Anivia, Brand, Veigar, all of these guys can and will run out of mana late game unless they buy a chalice, RoA or Archangels, or some combination of the above, if they don't have blue.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Riven is one of the reasons I hope there are never resourceless gods in SMITE

    There are plenty of balanced resourceless champs, riven is not one of them.

    I never really got why Riven's resourceless.

    Like Yasuo needs no limiting resource because his kit is built around spamming. Kat is built around resets so it'd probably only matter on quadra kill style stuff and make for awkward itemising.

    Riven's got no mana/energy to deal with because? Is a question I really can't think of a decent answer too past 'it helps her in lane'.

  • SoaLSoaL fantastic Registered User regular
    i love how ashe just SHITS on some characters

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  • SoaLSoaL fantastic Registered User regular
    SLyM wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Granted, lategame mana isn't particularly an issue for anybody in League

    This is absolutely untrue. Swain, Anivia, Brand, Veigar, all of these guys can and will run out of mana late game unless they buy a chalice, RoA or Archangels, or some combination of the above, if they don't have blue.

    also nami, lucian, malzahar, etc etc

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    SoaL wrote: »
    i love how ashe just SHITS on some characters
    she does? Like, other than udyr?

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  • SoaLSoaL fantastic Registered User regular
    well it was mord but STILL

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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    I never really got why Riven's resourceless.

    Like Yasuo needs no limiting resource because his kit is built around spamming. Kat is built around resets so it'd probably only matter on quadra kill style stuff and make for awkward itemising.

    Riven's got no mana/energy to deal with because? Is a question I really can't think of a decent answer too past 'it helps her in lane'.
    Because Xypherous (at the time anyway, I don't know if he has changed his mind) thinks it's stupid that fighters have "fake" mana costs because mana is basically never an issue for them, so he thought it was better to just be honest about it. And he was trying to create a non-sustain character to compete with Lee and Irelia at the time so...yeah.

    But I still love Riven and will not listen to any QQ.
    milski wrote: »
    It is interesting that from watching League over time, they've more and more switched off balancing via mana, with mana only being a balance factor on a few high cost junglers and for preventing total spam of abilities. While blue did stop being infinite mana and huge CDR, all the itemization and most new champs really make it difficult to run out of mana without trying to do so in lane.
    Yeah, I'm glad they've moved away from the high mana costs.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    I mean, you can have "fake" mana costs while still having mana issues in lane. It isn't exactly the same, but if you look at Bristleback from DotA 1, he has low mana costs, a ridiculously terrible starting mana pool, and absurd mana growth per level. Hell, most characters in League are similar to that, in that, say, Nasus can't exactly spam his armor reduction in lane but he shouldn't have trouble with it lategame.

    As for the few people in League who need mana: I suppose those champs are somewhat mana hungry (not nearly as much as many DotA heroes, since I usually make relative comparisons), but my point was that the combination of most champs having low mana costs and there being supremely effective mana regeneration options for those who do have high sustained costs means there's very little need to go out of your way to support it. Yes, if you intentionally get no mana pool or regeneration options, Anivia might be screwed (many of the others listed have naturally low mana costs [brand] or natural regen, so they're much less screwed), but that's dumb enough to be nearly meaningless; you'd have to intentionally avoid picking up blue and picking up quite a few overall-good items just to not get regen. Comparatively, there are very few champions who need to make a conscious effort towards having mana regeneration in their lategame build to be effective, and those that do usually get QoL fixes eventually (see almost all the original 40 champs having their ults dropped from 200-300+ mana to 100-200 mana at most).

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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    I mean, you can have "fake" mana costs while still having mana issues in lane. It isn't exactly the same, but if you look at Bristleback from DotA 1, he has low mana costs, a ridiculously terrible starting mana pool, and absurd mana growth per level. Hell, most characters in League are similar to that, in that, say, Nasus can't exactly spam his armor reduction in lane but he shouldn't have trouble with it lategame.
    Nasus doesn't have fake mana costs, I'm talking more about champions like Irelia, Fiora, Darius (without using ult), Olaf, Nocturne, Xin, Trundle where you can hardly even run out of mana at any point in the game even if you're trying.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    I never really got why Riven's resourceless.

    Like Yasuo needs no limiting resource because his kit is built around spamming. Kat is built around resets so it'd probably only matter on quadra kill style stuff and make for awkward itemising.

    Riven's got no mana/energy to deal with because? Is a question I really can't think of a decent answer too past 'it helps her in lane'.
    Because Xypherous (at the time anyway, I don't know if he has changed his mind) thinks it's stupid that fighters have "fake" mana costs because mana is basically never an issue for them, so he thought it was better to just be honest about it. And he was trying to create a non-sustain character to compete with Lee and Irelia at the time so...yeah.

    But I still love Riven and will not listen to any QQ.
    milski wrote: »
    It is interesting that from watching League over time, they've more and more switched off balancing via mana, with mana only being a balance factor on a few high cost junglers and for preventing total spam of abilities. While blue did stop being infinite mana and huge CDR, all the itemization and most new champs really make it difficult to run out of mana without trying to do so in lane.
    Yeah, I'm glad they've moved away from the high mana costs.

    I guess, but I'd prefer a situation where she still had mana and it could be used as a balancing factor. To mana should be default unless there's a good reason not too. Even if it mostly wont matter.

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