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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I think the idea is that she accused him of solicitation when he took her in (because he turned down hers). Depending how much money she has behind her, and what issues he has with the higher ups, that could totally work.

    Also, we going open spoilers in here? Thought we did last year.
    thread title says current episode spoilers unmarked so yeah

    Ha, duh.

    Just saw a lot of people still using them.

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    CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    I did at first but now I see spoilers are to be limited to future information and theories.

    Although, should theories/guesses be spoilered? This isn't like the GoT thread where there's actual future-knowledge to be had. Pretty much everything will be speculation unless it comes from leaks or interviews.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    The actress' accusation against Woodrugh (bike cop) was in that first newspaper story that got everyone in Vinci all riled up. So he got put on administrative leave to take some of the heat off.

    Never mind that he's not Vinci PD, he's CHP.

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    CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    It could be as simple as he reported her attempted "bribe" and standard response in their precinct is to have an investigation with the officer being put on desk duty/leave.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
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    LorekLorek Registered User regular
    So half writing this out to make sure I have the timeline clear in my head and half because it seems like there are guesses for what happened in this episode all over. Just watching it, here's how I think the crime/setup basically goes down:
    1. Past -> Colin Farrell's wife is raped; this may or may not have resulted in his son actually being the rapists son.
    2. Unable to track down the criminal, Colin Farrell turns to mob boss Vince Vaughn who tells him who the rapist is.
    3. Fast forward to present -> somewhere along the way here, Farrell ends up dirty and on Vaughn's payroll.
    4. California / Federal government passes bill to build giant light rail transit; Vaughn begins cooking up a real estate scheme in order to become mega-rich and basically retire. He hooks up with the Vinci city manager, Caspere, to help him out and work out details.
    5. Meanwhile, Bike Cop pulls over a blonde actress(?) driving crazy in a fast car. She propositions him for sex in order to let him go. Bike Copy seems to be ex-military and has lots of scars; implied later on he needs to take viagra for sex, so unlikely he complies. Either way, blonde actress files a complaint and has enough Hollywood/money pull for it to turn into something; Bike Cop is put on administrative leave.
    6. News Reporter picks up story about Bike Cop, adds it to his list of corruption in Vinci city, turns it into a part of his eight part story on crime.
    7. Announcement of eight part corruption story is published; coincidentally (or not? dun dun) Caspere is now kidnapped and later murdered by parties unknown.
    8. Vaughn, worried about the story revealing his real estate shenanigans, tasks Farrell with beating up / scaring the reporter out of his story. Farrell complies and also hands over the reporters research notes.
    9. Colin Farrell is tasked by Vinci Police HQ to track down Caspere, now missing for two days. They interview his new secretary and investigate his home, suspiciously filled with weird fetish items and stuff probably way out of budget for a city manager.
    10. Vaughn meets with this corrupt moneybackers to seal the deal on his real estate venture, but they are expecting Caspere to explain the plan and no one knows where Caspere is. Vaughn will need to deal with this.
    11. Bike Cop goes on out on a motorcycle ride and almost commits suicide by crazy bike riding. He stops himself at the last minute and pulls over, only to find the body of Caspere left on a roadside stop bench; body mutilated.
    12. Bike Cop, Rachel McAdams, and Farrell arrive at the scene.

    There's also some stuff about Rachel McAdams that goes into how her dad is a huge hippy stereotype and her sister is doing webcam porn and they all have giant family issues, but so far that seems super irrelevant. It does lead her to a missing persons case with few leads and no connection to the A-plot though.

    Farrell is also crazy overprotective of his son, an alcoholic, and one loose screw away from going completely off the handle I imagine.

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    SealSeal Registered User regular
    It should at least be interesting to see how these broken people try to bring various bad people to justice. Also totally hyped to see weeaboo lady cop shank someone with her various bladed implements.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    That timeline up there is on point.

    Also, I watched it a second time and I enjoyed my second viewing much more.
    The bird mask in the car beside the dead Caspere is leading me to think that cultish bullshit might be present this season as well. I don't know why I missed that the first time.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    also, regarding the McAdams Family
    I am guessing the spiritual center the father is a part of will not be irrelevant forever, as it is tied to a missing persons case currently.

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    And that kids is one reason why you shouldn't bully!

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    KashaarKashaar Low OrbitRegistered User regular
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    And that kids is one reason why you shouldn't bully!

    There's always a bigger bully.

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    DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    That timeline up there is on point.

    Also, I watched it a second time and I enjoyed my second viewing much more.
    The bird mask in the car beside the dead Caspere is leading me to think that cultish bullshit might be present this season as well. I don't know why I missed that the first time.

    The original plan was to link it to the occult, but rumors also hit that they decided to drop the occult angle. It still looks up in the air to me. The one iconic thing I would think would nail it would be a creepy body placement like the first season. That crow mask was probably just from a sex party he left.

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    ButcherButcher Registered User regular
    BillyIdle wrote: »
    And that kids is one reason why you shouldn't bully!

    Father of the year. Farrell is badass.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    That timeline up there is on point.

    Also, I watched it a second time and I enjoyed my second viewing much more.
    The bird mask in the car beside the dead Caspere is leading me to think that cultish bullshit might be present this season as well. I don't know why I missed that the first time.

    The original plan was to link it to the occult, but rumors also hit that they decided to drop the occult angle. It still looks up in the air to me. The one iconic thing I would think would nail it would be a creepy body placement like the first season. That crow mask was probably just from a sex party he left.

    To be fair, the occult angle was in the air through season 1 also. I don't want it to be literal. I don't want great cthulhu showing up and wrecking the california coastline.

    But that sense of uncomfortable dread, which they did play into with Caspere's home, the car ride, and the scene at the end, are playing some familiar notes for me.

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    RhahRhah Registered User regular
    Caught the episode last night.

    I guess I am willing to give the show a shot, but like others said without some angle (occult, fantastical, conspiracies involving more than just casino/crime/money dudes and corrupt politicians), I don't see it being even near the force that season 1 was. Honestly, this episode reminded me of The Killing (I only saw first season of that), and while that show was ok, it isn't really a glowing review considering True Detective's history.

    I am also disappointed we already know who ski-mask guy from trailer is already (maybe everyone already figured it out, I didn't read many speculation or analysis of the trailers before the season). The ski-mask guy could have at least added some mystery to the show.

    I might just be a philistine but I totally disliked the opening song. I can't remember is it the same song every episode? (I can't remember if it was the same in season 1).

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    CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    Last season it was the same song every episode.

    Honestly, I wished the opening music of S2 was the one they had in the trailer.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Last season it was the same song every episode.

    Honestly, I wished the opening music of S2 was the one they had in the trailer.

    Considering that artist had another song in episode 1, I wouldn't be surprised if we get more of her before the year is up.

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    JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    If there's one guy whose musical choices I am not going to question, it's T Bone Burnett. I fucking love Leonard Cohen so I'm totally down with the opening song they chose. The Lera Lynn song from the trailer was great, but I can see why they felt it worked better as a trailer song and not an opening theme song. She also had another song playing in the bar in ep 1, and if you're just a fan of her, supposedly there's more of her on this season's soundtrack to come.

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    GMaster7GMaster7 Goggles Paesano Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    So @BillyIdle and I were just discussing the show and this thread and he suggested that it's pretty heavily implied that Colin Farrell's kid is not really his, because of the nine-month timeline, and because, you know, he's not a pasty, chubby, red-haired dude. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me, too...

    Or maybe that's a red herring.

    *cough* A RED. HAIR. -ING. COINCIDENCE?

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    Top it off there is a good chance he has some messed up stuff tied to the burns which he stated are not from the war.

    So there might be a more complex history that leads to the little blue pill.

    I wasn't reading in the closet at all with his story.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    Top it off there is a good chance he has some messed up stuff tied to the burns which he stated are not from the war.

    So there might be a more complex history that leads to the little blue pill.

    I wasn't reading in the closet at all with his story.

    The ONLY thing that could be used as evidence of being closeted was how disassociated he chose to be during his beej. But that could come from a whole bunch of other areas.

    Lots of people in positions of authority turn down abuse of power because that shit catches up to you. Especially with someone as high profile as Linsey LohaLacey Lindel.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    I don't think it was heavily implied but I did consider it

    We shall see Im sure

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Heavily implied is a stretch; I take that back.

    But I think the framework is there for both interpretations and at this point I think they are either equally valid, or it's both. No reason why he can't be gay and have PTSD. Or that some of his PTSD is even potentially informed by his homosexuality.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Oh, he was Quinn on Dexter right? Took me awhile to remember where I knew the actor from.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Drez wrote: »
    Oh, he was Quinn on Dexter right? Took me awhile to remember where I knew the actor from.

    No. God no.
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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Oh, he was Quinn on Dexter right? Took me awhile to remember where I knew the actor from.

    No. God no.

    Yeah hmm.

    Looks kinda like him though.

    So how do I know this guy?

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    Top it off there is a good chance he has some messed up stuff tied to the burns which he stated are not from the war.

    So there might be a more complex history that leads to the little blue pill.

    I wasn't reading in the closet at all with his story.

    The ONLY thing that could be used as evidence of being closeted was how disassociated he chose to be during his beej. But that could come from a whole bunch of other areas.

    Lots of people in positions of authority turn down abuse of power because that shit catches up to you. Especially with someone as high profile as Linsey LohaLacey Lindel.

    No, that's not the only thing that can be used as evidence of being closeted.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.
    In season 1 did we have a person mentally analyzing Cole or Marty that acts as an infodump for a main character? That scene with the female detective took me out of the show.

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    Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Oh, he was Quinn on Dexter right? Took me awhile to remember where I knew the actor from.

    No. God no.

    Yeah hmm.

    Looks kinda like him though.

    So how do I know this guy?

    Battleship. Or maybe John Carter. Definitely not Friday Night Lights, that fan base knows Taylor Kitsch on sight.

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    he was in Savages too if you ever saw that

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.
    In season 1 did we have a person mentally analyzing Cole or Marty that acts as an infodump for a main character? That scene with the female detective took me out of the show.

    Which scene?

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    ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.
    In season 1 did we have a person mentally analyzing Cole or Marty that acts as an infodump for a main character? That scene with the female detective took me out of the show.

    Which scene?

    I think he's talking about McAdams talking to her dad

    I didn't have a problem with that scene, the whole first season was two characters explaining themselves and each other

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.
    In season 1 did we have a person mentally analyzing Cole or Marty that acts as an infodump for a main character? That scene with the female detective took me out of the show.

    Which scene?

    I think he's talking about McAdams talking to her dad

    I didn't have a problem with that scene, the whole first season was two characters explaining themselves and each other

    Yeah exactly.

    And the McAdams scene sounded totally organic and natural to me. Zero problems with it. I think it was a well-done scene, to be honest.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.
    In season 1 did we have a person mentally analyzing Cole or Marty that acts as an infodump for a main character? That scene with the female detective took me out of the show.

    Which scene?

    I think he's talking about McAdams talking to her dad

    I didn't have a problem with that scene, the whole first season was two characters explaining themselves and each other

    Yeah exactly.

    And the McAdams scene sounded totally organic and natural to me. Zero problems with it. I think it was a well-done scene, to be honest.

    It didn't feel right to me. The father may as well have looked into the camera when he said it.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    That reminds me, is the bike cop supposed to be gay? Was that the takeaway I was meant to get during his long shower, or is he damaged by the war and unable to perform?

    Definitely gay.

    Girl who propositions him picked the wrong dude. Literally. She wasn't offering him anything he was interested in. Then she lies.

    Cue his next scene with his beard.

    My interpretation: He's a closeted gay, a product of Don't Ask Don't Tell as he was in the army. Was imagining something/someone else while she was blowing him. Probably led to his lonerism (being a solo bike cop) and his a-little-more-than-half-hearted suicide attempt.

    They've hinted at PTSD way more heavily than they've hinted at gay. Which is easy because they haven't hinted at gay at all.

    not saying it's not a possibility just saying that if the only hint is that he has avoided sex with a woman, there are reasons to do that that don't involve disliking vagina

    reasons possibly tied to military service, scars before military service, and being a pretty heavy adrenaline junky if he needed to turn the lights off on his motorcycle to get the appropriate effect of going 100 miles per fuckin hour

    But I disagree. You have to consider context. Their exposition in this episode was EXTREMELY minimalist. And yet, they probably gave you as much information about the characters and their relationships in this one episode than in the entirety of Season 1.

    Anyway, I don't agree that they "didn't hint" at him being homosexual. I think it is heavily implied and works within the framework provided. PTSD is also possible. They may be commingled reasons. These aren't cardboard, one-dimensional characters.
    In season 1 did we have a person mentally analyzing Cole or Marty that acts as an infodump for a main character? That scene with the female detective took me out of the show.

    Which scene?

    I think he's talking about McAdams talking to her dad

    I didn't have a problem with that scene, the whole first season was two characters explaining themselves and each other

    Yeah exactly.

    And the McAdams scene sounded totally organic and natural to me. Zero problems with it. I think it was a well-done scene, to be honest.

    It didn't feel right to me. The father may as well have looked into the camera when he said it.

    The "I just did" at the end of his speech felt a little wrongish, but that's all.

    And I've actually said shit like that while people have stormed away from me, so it still wasn't unnatural to me.

    *shrug*

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    And it only felt wrong to me, and maybe to you, because literally every other example of that kind of thing in the episode is left up to the audience's interpretation. It's an extremely minimalist episode in terms of being explicit with the exposition. That last line from the father is, by margin, far more explicit than any other piece of exposition and it DID feel like they were trying to hammer the point home for the audience. But I still think it was an in character line for the father. I can forgive it.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    I suspected he might be closeted during the blowjob scene

    it's probably PTSD but that's the vibe I got

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    Butcher wrote: »
    Also, Farrell was easily the high point of the premiere.
    "I'll buttfuck your father next to your with your Mom's headless corpse on this lawn" is such a fucking insane line, yet he sold it. There were a lot of clunkers, though.

    Fixed that line.

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