If you want to hear some solid reflections on the game without having to go through it again the Watch Out For Fireballs guys have a three part podcast that goes over the game pretty well. They catch a lot of details I definitely didn't find when I went through the game.
The Metal Gear series in general has a fantastic soundtrack. I really need to make a best of playlist.
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edited March 2014
if ff7 ever got a nice looking re-release with an updated translation and general sprucing up of UI stuff I would probably give it a shot
it only to try and better understand the thing that allowed advent children to exist, I tried playing it a couple years ago and everything about trying to do anything was terrible
Describe Tifa's character without referring to her appearance or her job role in the story.
She's... hopeful?
Well the thing is a lot of her outward hopefulness is an illusion.
She's a person who struggles to express herself openly, instead worrying about how she can make other people happy, to her detriment. She's a strong person, but has trouble realizing it.
A person who, because of this, at first allows herself to sink into a passive role, where she's there as the one to support the people she cares about while putting what she wants and how she feels on the backburner. She allows herself and Cloud to essentially live a lie, and risks losing the person she loves, because while she may seem optimistic and personable, she has difficulty communicating with people.
Eventually she comes to terms with herself and takes a more active role in her life, and Cloud's. With the implication by the end she has grown into a more confident, sure of herself woman.
Of course then the stuff we got years after the game did diddly-squat with her.
I re-played FF7 recently and it held up a little better than I expected. The main story isn't as strong as FF6, but I ended up liking some of the characters I expected to hate. Aeris I remember being pretty bland and passive, but she's actually pretty much in charge for the first desk. She infiltrates a terrorist organization and uses them to carry our her goals, then knowingly and purposefully leaves them and sacrifices herself, saving the planet in the process. She also asks a guy she likes on a date by grabbing his arm and forcibly dragging him onto carnival rides, which is a nice break from passive female characters who sit around and hope Senpai will notice them.
Mostly the thing that drags down the game is that any member of the party, including Yuffie, would be a better leader than Cloud. He's not really whiny, just bland and unstable, to the point where it's not at all clear why anyone in the party would like or trust him, or want him to succeed.
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No matter what your opinion of ffviii is
It gave us one of the undeniably best songs in the series
Describe Tifa's character without referring to her appearance or her job role in the story.
She's... hopeful?
Well the thing is a lot of her outward hopefulness is an illusion.
She's person who struggles to express herself openly, instead worrying about how she can make other people happy, to her detriment. She's a strong person, but has trouble realizing it.
A person who, because of this, at first allows herself to sink into a passive role, where she's there as the one to support the people she cares about while putting what she wants and how she feels on the backburner. She allows herself and Cloud to essentially live a lie, and risks losing the person she loves, because while she may seem optimistic and personable, she has difficulty communicating with people.
Eventually she comes to terms with herself and takes a more active role in her life, and Cloud's. With the implication by the end she has grown into a more confident, sure of herself woman.
Of course then the stuff we got years after the game did diddly-squat with her.
Thinking about this, this is a pretty amazingly positive and strong message for any Japanese schoolgirl playing the game, probably a group that was in mind when the game was being made.
Because man I can see some aspects of her in a good chunk of my students.
Thinking about it, FF7 would have been a better story if the main character had been anyone in the party other than Cloud.
Slightly different, but better. Cloud should have been a wacky side character you pick up, then take out of your party once you get somebody with better cutscene dialog.
Mostly the thing that drags down the game is that any member of the party, including Yuffie, would be a better leader than Cloud. He's not really whiny, just bland and unstable, to the point where it's not at all clear why anyone in the party would like or trust him, or want him to succeed.
Thinking about it, FF7 would have been a better story if the main character had been anyone in the party other than Cloud.
Slightly different, but better. Cloud should have been a wacky side character you pick up, then take out of your party once you get somebody with better cutscene dialog.
Nah.
Struggling with your identity is a pretty big theme in FF7. And Cloud is the one with the biggest identity crisis.
The only character I would even entertain making the lead instead is Tifa, but the very nature of her character arc probably makes it better for her to be the #2.
It's kind of interesting to me, in general, about how ideas grow, and get legs, and spread, and propagate themselves, etc.
Because like, two, three years ago? When talk of FF7 came up I never, ever heard any references to the quality of its localization or translation. Certainly zero mention of it when the game was newly out and in the prime of its popularity.
But in the last, say, six months or so, I don't think I have heard anyone say something about FF7 without its localization being brought up critically.
It's kind of interesting to me, in general, about how ideas grow, and get legs, and spread, and propagate themselves, etc.
Because like, two, three years ago? When talk of FF7 came up I never, ever heard any references to the quality of its localization or translation. Certainly zero mention of it when the game was newly out and in the prime of its popularity.
But in the last, say, six months or so, I don't think I have heard anyone say something about FF7 without its localization being brought up critically.
Just, very interesting.
The localization is something I've heard about since I discovered Internet message boards
So pretty well over a decade I've been hearing it harped on
People have always acknowledged that 7 has some localization issues but over the years it's gotten more and more overstated until it's basically become a meme.
Same goes for "people only liked it cause it was their first FF/RPG/story-driven game".
I've never talked about it in the past ~10 years without its script being brought up, if only because jobs done nowadays (or even back then) are much more professional and clean
Also I liked 7, and pretty much all the FFs I've played to completion
I really need to give 10 a fair shot and get through all of it
But right now I am playing Mother 1, and I think that has to take precedent
Also I actually really liked Aeris, though probably not for the same reason most people did
I got the impression that she liked Cloud for a while because he was acting exactly like her dead boyfriend, but at some point she went "Hrm" and that kind of faded out
For the few hours leading up to her death I could feel it in the air, in everything she did - people treated it as being so super shocking when she died, but the game foreshadowed it a lot, and she acted like a person who knew it was coming. Even down to the last moment, when Sephiroth drove the sword into her back, I think she was banking on it
I think she was playing the long game the entire time, and planned for the game to end the way it did
I disliked Aerith because she was kind of a Mary Sue.
She was talented and pretty and everyone loved her as soon as they met her and was the last surviving member of a super-special race and was the only one who could save the planet and blah.
She just seemed too perfect and was basically Jesus.
It was a sweet fight until the end where he was all "I wasn't even trying" and beats her in like five seconds because no one else can fight as good as Cloud who can take all 3 of them on and then fight Sephiroth.
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I'm sure there's something else that would stand out if I really thought about it
But the only Tifa scene that really made me go like was the fight with Scarlet
Like, Tifa is strong. She could slug it out with Sabin and hold her own, that's the role she fills. She can do with her hands what Cloud can do with his big sword. She could punch out the moon
So when she fights Scarlet she gets into a slap fight
I'm sure there's something else that would stand out if I really thought about it
But the only Tifa scene that really made me go like was the fight with Scarlet
Like, Tifa is strong. She could slug it out with Sabin and hold her own, that's the role she fills. She can do with her hands what Cloud can do with his big sword. She could punch out the moon
So when she fights Scarlet she gets into a slap fight
THat she can lose
Who wrote that part of the game
7 has these moments where they suddenly just get super goofy and weird.
It makes me wonder how offputting it would be if we did get a remake with modern graphics.
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Yep.
Tifa and Barret are the founding members of Avalanche, who are trying to destroy the Mako reactors because they're killing the planet.
This works uncomfortably well
it only to try and better understand the thing that allowed advent children to exist, I tried playing it a couple years ago and everything about trying to do anything was terrible
Well the thing is a lot of her outward hopefulness is an illusion.
She's a person who struggles to express herself openly, instead worrying about how she can make other people happy, to her detriment. She's a strong person, but has trouble realizing it.
A person who, because of this, at first allows herself to sink into a passive role, where she's there as the one to support the people she cares about while putting what she wants and how she feels on the backburner. She allows herself and Cloud to essentially live a lie, and risks losing the person she loves, because while she may seem optimistic and personable, she has difficulty communicating with people.
Eventually she comes to terms with herself and takes a more active role in her life, and Cloud's. With the implication by the end she has grown into a more confident, sure of herself woman.
Of course then the stuff we got years after the game did diddly-squat with her.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Mostly the thing that drags down the game is that any member of the party, including Yuffie, would be a better leader than Cloud. He's not really whiny, just bland and unstable, to the point where it's not at all clear why anyone in the party would like or trust him, or want him to succeed.
It gave us one of the undeniably best songs in the series
Thinking about this, this is a pretty amazingly positive and strong message for any Japanese schoolgirl playing the game, probably a group that was in mind when the game was being made.
Because man I can see some aspects of her in a good chunk of my students.
Slightly different, but better. Cloud should have been a wacky side character you pick up, then take out of your party once you get somebody with better cutscene dialog.
I've been put in charge of music for our weekly D&D campaign
This is our normal battle theme
at least we got cid who knew how to take charge
Nah.
Struggling with your identity is a pretty big theme in FF7. And Cloud is the one with the biggest identity crisis.
The only character I would even entertain making the lead instead is Tifa, but the very nature of her character arc probably makes it better for her to be the #2.
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That isn't to say it excuses every part of their design, but in terms of characterization and writing I really feel like we have no fucking idea.
Man, the localization had some issues, but it wasn't anywhere near that bad.
There's more than enough there to analyze the characters and themes.
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Because like, two, three years ago? When talk of FF7 came up I never, ever heard any references to the quality of its localization or translation. Certainly zero mention of it when the game was newly out and in the prime of its popularity.
But in the last, say, six months or so, I don't think I have heard anyone say something about FF7 without its localization being brought up critically.
Just, very interesting.
The localization is something I've heard about since I discovered Internet message boards
So pretty well over a decade I've been hearing it harped on
Same goes for "people only liked it cause it was their first FF/RPG/story-driven game".
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Also I liked 7, and pretty much all the FFs I've played to completion
I really need to give 10 a fair shot and get through all of it
But right now I am playing Mother 1, and I think that has to take precedent
I got the impression that she liked Cloud for a while because he was acting exactly like her dead boyfriend, but at some point she went "Hrm" and that kind of faded out
For the few hours leading up to her death I could feel it in the air, in everything she did - people treated it as being so super shocking when she died, but the game foreshadowed it a lot, and she acted like a person who knew it was coming. Even down to the last moment, when Sephiroth drove the sword into her back, I think she was banking on it
I think she was playing the long game the entire time, and planned for the game to end the way it did
She was talented and pretty and everyone loved her as soon as they met her and was the last surviving member of a super-special race and was the only one who could save the planet and blah.
She just seemed too perfect and was basically Jesus.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
It's okay to have a strange girl be a martyr
Martyrs tend to be that sort of character (the ones with no real moral flaws)
It was a sweet fight until the end where he was all "I wasn't even trying" and beats her in like five seconds because no one else can fight as good as Cloud who can take all 3 of them on and then fight Sephiroth.
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Like it is often used to describe an author-insert, but not always.
She has no flaws, and even the one kinda shitty thing she does(moving in on Cloud right in front of Tifa) isn't really framed as a shitty thing to do.
I just find her incredibly boring, and even dying doesn't stop her from being the bestest, most important person ever.
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But the only Tifa scene that really made me go like
Like, Tifa is strong. She could slug it out with Sabin and hold her own, that's the role she fills. She can do with her hands what Cloud can do with his big sword. She could punch out the moon
So when she fights Scarlet she gets into a slap fight
THat she can lose
Who wrote that part of the game
FF6 is amazing
like, I think it's x1000 better than FF7
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7 has these moments where they suddenly just get super goofy and weird.
It makes me wonder how offputting it would be if we did get a remake with modern graphics.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Like I can't really think of anything wrong with it
I just don't find the plot or most of the characters engaging
Conversely, I find FF6 lacks focus and is filled with a shitty character for every great one.
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