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A god damned discussion about right of way
Veevee
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Moved from the carpool discussion, this is about right of way at a 4-way intersection. Who goes first? Is safe and legal the same? Will this get locked for being another god damned pointless thread? Lets find out!
@syndalis If 2 and 3 arrived at the intersection at the same time though, 3 has right of way from being on 2's right, which means they do get to go first.
This is why there are rules.
#3 jumping ahead of queue is putting themselves in #2's blind spot when they get their right of way to turn.
@syndalis If 2 and 3 arrived at the intersection at the same time though, 3 has right of way from being on 2's right, which means they do get to go first.
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-Did the person directly across arrive at the same time and signal for a left turn? They wait. If I'm turning left, I wait. One of us wants to go right, the other left, righty waits.
-Person on your left arrives at the same time? They go first. Person on the right arrives at the same time? They wait.
I was told that the person to your left had right of way, and that seems to be the case out here in general (except in zipper lanes, but fuck zipper lanes and everyone in them). Was I doing it wrong? Haven't driven in years.
When an intersection is full, traffic flows counter clockwise. It has nothing to do with who came there first, assume 1 just being the start of the pattern.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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we have a few here and, well
it's not better
i mean, it should be
but i don't think the type of traffic pattern is the problem
Annapolis has roundabouts.
They put multiple traffic lights up inside the circle.
it's FAR too easy to obtain and keep a driver's license in the states
but also it's far too difficult to lead a productive life that includes things like employment if you don't own a car and don't live in a major-major metropolitan area
They really do help, but if you live in a community where people are really fucking stupid (hi suburbs of Indianapolis, IN) then they're nearly goddamn death-traps. I had someone STOP in front of me the other day while we were IN the roundabout so they could let someone enter the roundabout. Multi-lane roundabouts are apparently really really confusing to the point where I've started flipping people off and forcing them to either 1) go the way they didn't want to by "herding" them with my car or 2) hit the fucking concrete forming the outer-surrounding of the roundabout. Seriously the idea that "the left/inner lane is used to make what is basically a left-hand turn while the right/outer lane is for making a right-turn or going straight through" is completely mind-boggling to people around here. And the roundabouts are well-labeled/signed. GAAAAH!
I could seriously bitch for daaaaaaaaaaays about the drivers in the area I moved to about a year ago. They're the worst I've seen. 5 under EVERY speed-limit. They will pull out in front of you like they're in a fucking NASCAR race, and then act like they forgot where the accelerator is. Turn without signaling. Won't make rights on red. Etc etc etc.
brb, depressed now...
My mother's new license is good for the next thirty years or something crazy.
She's sixty nine.
sounds legit totes no problem
singapore, australia, and new zealand also enforce priority to vehicles coming from the right, despite not driving on the right
fun times
pedestrian bridges are relatively cheap because humans are pretty light, but even so you still need a lot of space for the on-ramps
My scenario was all 4 stopped there at the same time. That picture is assuming #3 isn't paying full attention and takes more than a second to respond to #1 moving, and starts moving when he's more than halfway through the intersection. That is definitely not a safe time to go. In that situation, if I'm #3, I'm usually moving before #1 gets halfway through his crosswalk section. This maneuver isn't a #1 goes, #3 goes, #2 turns, #4 turns. It's #1 & #3 go, #2 turns, #4 turns. Hell, I'd even say #4 could do the quick right before #2 as well, but that'd be bit of a dick move.
If you are on a multi-lane highway, and you are not passing somebody, stay the fuck out of the leftmost lane. (People in countries that drive on the incorrect side of the road may reverse the directions here.)
Like, I'm not going to get into a debate on whether cruising in the center lane is okay or not when you're on a three-lane road and there's all these people merging, or whatever. I'm not a zealot, I get it. The left lane is for passing. If you are in the left lane and you are not moving substantially faster than the people to your right, you are a bad person.
Fuckkkkkkkkkkkk roundabouts. Seriously, I needed the extra K's to try and express my dislike for them.
It's not so much the pulling into the roundabout that's the issue, it's the fact that once you're in the roundabout there will inevitably be some guy ahead of you, who is attempting to enter it, who thinks that he has the right-of-way over cars already in the roundabout.
Anything that limits my defensive driving options and forces me to hope the other guy knows what he's doing is no bueno. And I'm from a pretty provincial, suburban part of town - they don't know what they're doing.
God help you if it's a two lane roundabout, and people need to take into consideration what lane they're allowed to enter, or that they need to remain within their lane within the roundabout (at least here it's a solid white line between lanes)
Meh. They're not viable as a replacement for four-way stops, because four-way stops are generally only found in residential areas, and a traffic circle would take up way too much space.
Not really true, though.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I puzzle over the psychology of somebody who wouldn't run a stop sign but would muscle his way into a roundabout.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Roundabouts are best as a calming measure for very low-traffic areas.
The reason you want a roundabout over a stop sign is because in a very low-traffic area, a stop sign is pointless. You're stopping for no reason.
If it's just one stop sign, that's fine. When it's multiple stop signs in a row, it's pretty infuriating.
start stop start stop there's nobody on this road start stop start stop doot doot doo start stop start stop...
Eventually you just develop a habit of rolling through them which isn't a good habit to have.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
What the goddamn fuck?
Round these parts, it pretty much is.
Just about every residential area is littered with four-way stops. There are nearly no unregulated intersections, and any intersection with a moderate disparity in traffic volume would rate a two-way stop instead. Circles have a comparatively gigantic footprint compared to an intersection so there's no way I can picture them on every corner like the four-ways are now.
Yeah, roundabouts aren't really useful for arterials in an urban setting (unless it is a fully grade separated junction/interchange or you have pedestrian access points that clearly ensure right of way) but they are far superior to stop signs within the third tier local streets and possibly also for second tier roads that are ~halfway between the arterials within the grid. Though you will want to combine them with chicanes or neckdowns in order to reduce the risk of people speeding through since speed bumps/humps generally suck in a variety of ways. Infinitely so if you get snow. Though raised sidewalk speed humps are at least somewhat defensible, even in plow ridden climes, compared to just randomly raising the street bed mid-block.
To expand on this since I hear a lot of people ask about the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" stuff. It doesn't matter how fast you are going in the right lane. If someone is coming up behind you, you are the slower traffic now. Move over. Unless you are the cops, it isn't your business to police the right lane. If you think that going the speed limit is perfectly fine in all lanes of traffic, get off the road, you are now the hazard.
Spoken like a man who has never seen Americans try and drive in a roundabout.
We have a couple around here and I hate them solely because of how other people drive on them.
Nope. (pdf)
I mean, it can be. You can also ~double the road width at four junction stop signs/signalized intersections through the use of turn lanes. Even more if you make the right hand turn go through a channel. That doesn't mean it is always the case.
Indiana is Chicago's New Jersey; only Jersey drivers are considerate and pleasant by comparison.
I wonder whether it's cheaper to maintain roundabouts or maintain traffic light electronics tuned to trigger green waves
both are traffic calming