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Game of Thrones: It's not Books, It's HBO (NO BOOKS!)

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  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is fond of this style of storytelling (all of Lost, the latter seasons of Alias, most of Fringe) and it bores me to tears even if, like in the case of Westerns, I like the setting.

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he is captured by the wights instead of killed and taken to an ancient keep. There he is eventually visited by the White Walker Leader

    White Walker : "We are the good guys, Bran"

    That's kinda how I feel about everything, really.

    There's so few sides or people to root for in this show it's unreal.

    Hey now, there's always Davos!

  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    Egos wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is fond of this style of storytelling (all of Lost, the latter seasons of Alias, most of Fringe) and it bores me to tears even if, like in the case of Westerns, I like the setting.

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he is captured by the wights instead of killed and taken to an ancient keep. There he is eventually visited by the White Walker Leader

    White Walker : "We are the good guys, Bran"

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he stops to admire the beautiful scenery, but he can find no words to describe it. Then, he meets the White Walker Leader.
    It's his father.

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  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    Bliss 101 wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is fond of this style of storytelling (all of Lost, the latter seasons of Alias, most of Fringe) and it bores me to tears even if, like in the case of Westerns, I like the setting.

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he is captured by the wights instead of killed and taken to an ancient keep. There he is eventually visited by the White Walker Leader

    White Walker : "We are the good guys, Bran"

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he stops to admire the beautiful scenery, but he can find no words to describe it. Then, he meets the White Walker Leader.
    It's his father.


    Alternatively : Bran makes it past the wall and suddenly he starts seeing visions of his dad just standing there dumbfoundedly. Mysterious music suddenly starts playing. In King's Landing we are randomly shown a spike with a missing head. After chasing him around "The North" for 5 episodes, he finally stumbles across a cavern : Benjen Stark emerges

    "It's time for you to learn the truth" season cliffhanger.

  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    On a semi-related note: not sure if I'm the only one who does this. But I try to imagine other characters from various shows in the GoT-verse and guess how they would do. So far I've debated characters from Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Deadwood ,Lost, Arrested Development (was unaware of "Arrested Westeros" or whatever), Hannibal, Dexter, True Detective, Beavis and Butthead (yes) and Flight the Conchords.

    Imagining Walter White/Cranston as a resentful brother of Tywin is great in my mind.

    *forgot I also did Justified (I think Raylan would fair better than Seth in the GoT-verse)

    Egos on
  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Bran is boring because there is literally no information to work off of to "figure out" the mystery. The most interesting information we got was that little prophetic vision we saw an episode or so ago, but even then it was concrete enough that it wasn't a mystery.

    We know he has to go north look beneath a tree. Well whoop-de-doo. Stop showing him until he gets there or until you are gonna reveal something that we can speculate on.

  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    ObiFett wrote: »
    We know he has to go north look beneath a tree. Well whoop-de-doo. Stop showing him until he gets there or until you are gonna reveal something that we can speculate on.

    Then some scene happens that makes us all go "Oh , that's why they showed us all that."

    (referring to the Theon torture scenes. Which I found redundant as opposed to repulsive or "torture porn". That is until the season 4 premiere made it clear why said scenes were needed.
    not lightning will strike twice. But after the "Reek/Hunting the Girl/Shaving" sequence I have a little more faith that they aren't just wasting our time.

    Egos on
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Egos wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    We know he has to go north look beneath a tree. Well whoop-de-doo. Stop showing him until he gets there or until you are gonna reveal something that we can speculate on.

    Then some scene happens that makes us all go "Oh , that's why they showed us all that."

    (referring to the Theon torture scenes. Which I found redundant as opposed to repulsive or "torture porn". That is until the season 4 premiere made it clear why said scenes were needed.
    not lightning will strike twice. But after the "Reek/Hunting the Girl/Shaving" sequence I have a little more faith that they aren't just wasting our time.

    I direct you to the entire Dany storyline in season two. I guess the reason was because she's a fan favorite and they didn't want to cut her out for an entire season, but it was still a lot of time that went nowhere.

  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    eh I didn't like it as much as others. Granted I thought the Warlock bits were cool and the Spice King putting Dany in her place was kinda nice.

  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    And here Dany is some of the best stuff for me, right behind Tyrion and Arya. [Edit: Stannis and Theon are the story lines that I don't mind if I miss going to grab a drink from the fridge.] Oh well, to each their own.

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  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    I like most of the Dany stuff, just not the season two storyline, and thought it was a good example of sometimes the show does spend a lot of time on something with there being very little payoff in terms of story progression. The only payoff of Quarth is what? That they got a boat?

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is fond of this style of storytelling (all of Lost, the latter seasons of Alias, most of Fringe) and it bores me to tears even if, like in the case of Westerns, I like the setting.

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he is captured by the wights instead of killed and taken to an ancient keep. There he is eventually visited by the White Walker Leader

    White Walker : "We are the good guys, Bran"

    That's kinda how I feel about everything, really.

    There's so few sides or people to root for in this show it's unreal.

    umm root 4 brienne
    root 4 daenarys personal slave because shes the best

    anddddddddddd

    arya

    ok done

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    I like most of the Dany stuff, just not the season two storyline, and thought it was a good example of sometimes the show does spend a lot of time on something with there being very little payoff in terms of story progression. The only payoff of Quarth is what? That they got a boat?

    TV is a medium that is still deeply uncomfortable with having characters not do anything for awhile offscreen.

    So it has them not do anything for awhile onscreen instead.

    This kind of thinking seems .... flawed.

  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    shryke wrote: »
    LostNinja wrote: »
    I like most of the Dany stuff, just not the season two storyline, and thought it was a good example of sometimes the show does spend a lot of time on something with there being very little payoff in terms of story progression. The only payoff of Quarth is what? That they got a boat?

    TV is a medium that is still deeply uncomfortable with having characters not do anything for awhile offscreen.

    So it has them not do anything for awhile onscreen instead.

    This kind of thinking seems .... flawed.

    To be fair, they have to give each of the actors some screen time each season. In some cases, a substantial amount, depending on the actor's contract. Sometimes that means they have to make up new stuff for them to do while the other more important storyline progress.

    Fakefaux on
  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Dany did nothing Season 2? Err... IIRC.

    - Makes sure her people doesn't die in a desert or get killed off by the split off Dothraki who sends one of her best back in pieces.
    - Raises baby dragons, something not done in hundreds of years (IIRC the show time frames mentioned)
    - Intimidates and trades on curiosity with a rich trade city for sanctum and succor despite having a rather unremarkable "Kalashar"
    - Gets involved in a power struggle and disturbing magic.
    - And comes out on top in said struggle, brutally so. Even baby dragons are bad ass.

    That's not too bad for a naked chick that walked out a huge bon fire with some wyrmlings for clothes at the end of season one. Heck, I would argue that was considerably more activity than her rise from abusive brother selling her as a warlord's favourite evening activity.

    Oh well, guess this season has everyone looking at the last like it was nothing special. That probably says good things about her bits in more recent episodes, but I disagree it makes her past bits "nothing" in comparison.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    LostNinja wrote: »
    I like most of the Dany stuff, just not the season two storyline, and thought it was a good example of sometimes the show does spend a lot of time on something with there being very little payoff in terms of story progression. The only payoff of Quarth is what? That they got a boat?

    TV is a medium that is still deeply uncomfortable with having characters not do anything for awhile offscreen.

    So it has them not do anything for awhile onscreen instead.

    This kind of thinking seems .... flawed.

    To be fair, they have to give each of the actors some screen time each season. In some cases, a substantial amount, depending on the actor's contract. Sometimes that means they have to make up new stuff for them to do while the other more important storyline progress.

    That's exactly my point. This is literally the same phenomenon people bitch about in Anime where they invent random plots that go nowhere and don't matter while they wait for the manga to release another issue.

    It's never good.

  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    root 4 daenarys personal slave because shes the prettiest

    admit it ;-)
    also she is no longer a slave

  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    LostNinja wrote: »
    I like most of the Dany stuff, just not the season two storyline, and thought it was a good example of sometimes the show does spend a lot of time on something with there being very little payoff in terms of story progression. The only payoff of Quarth is what? That they got a boat?

    TV is a medium that is still deeply uncomfortable with having characters not do anything for awhile offscreen.

    So it has them not do anything for awhile onscreen instead.

    This kind of thinking seems .... flawed.

    To be fair, they have to give each of the actors some screen time each season. In some cases, a substantial amount, depending on the actor's contract. Sometimes that means they have to make up new stuff for them to do while the other more important storyline progress.

    That's exactly my point. This is literally the same phenomenon people bitch about in Anime where they invent random plots that go nowhere and don't matter while they wait for the manga to release another issue.

    It's never good.

    I'm just saying, there's probably no way around it. It's this, or some of the actors don't get enough screen time, and seriously consider moving on to other projects.

  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    re: screentime

    It really felt like Stannis should have gotten more time in season 2 considering how big a fucking role he played.

    No love for the Stanninator. Though I'm not sure if a bunch of that time would be : Cut to Stannis Sailing. Here is another shot of Stannis sailing.

  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    Season two also suffered in some regards because they were clearly saving a lot of their special effects budget for the Battle of the Blackwater. Not once in the season do you actually get a good look at Dragonstone; the only interior set seems to be Stannis' war room with the table shaped like Westeros. You only ever get one decent look at Qarth as a city. The direwolves are are largely absent. You never see Renly's castle at all.

    That limits some of the plots/sequences from the books that they can pull off.

  • JuliusJulius Captain of Serenity on my shipRegistered User regular
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    That's exactly my point. This is literally the same phenomenon people bitch about in Anime where they invent random plots that go nowhere and don't matter while they wait for the manga to release another issue.

    It's never good.

    I'm just saying, there's probably no way around it. It's this, or some of the actors don't get enough screen time, and seriously consider moving on to other projects.

    Yeah it's annoying but it's part of the television game. You got a lot of real people under contract so you're less flexible. It's not just Dany here, there are a bunch of actors who all signed up and not giving them anything to do for an entire season is simply not an option.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Julius wrote: »
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    That's exactly my point. This is literally the same phenomenon people bitch about in Anime where they invent random plots that go nowhere and don't matter while they wait for the manga to release another issue.

    It's never good.

    I'm just saying, there's probably no way around it. It's this, or some of the actors don't get enough screen time, and seriously consider moving on to other projects.

    Yeah it's annoying but it's part of the television game. You got a lot of real people under contract so you're less flexible. It's not just Dany here, there are a bunch of actors who all signed up and not giving them anything to do for an entire season is simply not an option.

    Probably why we're on our fourth Gregor Clegane. I mean why else would someone want to give up that sweet detective gig.

    LostNinja on
  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    Well Ian Whyte simply didn't fit the role. I believe he is still on as a stunt guy. The first one, definitely. He got offered a gig in the Hobbit.

    Also I'm sure it's the reason why Dominic West passed on Mance Rayder.

  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Quical wrote: »
    Admit it, you made that list just to put "Kinslaying, Kingslaying" together.

    Actually, I did it all for the Hodor.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Atomika wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is fond of this style of storytelling (all of Lost, the latter seasons of Alias, most of Fringe) and it bores me to tears even if, like in the case of Westerns, I like the setting.

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he is captured by the wights instead of killed and taken to an ancient keep. There he is eventually visited by the White Walker Leader

    White Walker : "We are the good guys, Bran"

    That's kinda how I feel about everything, really.

    There's so few sides or people to root for in this show it's unreal.

    umm root 4 brienne
    root 4 daenarys personal slave because shes the best

    anddddddddddd

    arya

    ok done

    This show has made me realize I have a weird attraction to pretty women who manipulate their way about and stab things.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is fond of this style of storytelling (all of Lost, the latter seasons of Alias, most of Fringe) and it bores me to tears even if, like in the case of Westerns, I like the setting.

    Bran makes his way past the wall. For some bizarre reason he is captured by the wights instead of killed and taken to an ancient keep. There he is eventually visited by the White Walker Leader

    White Walker : "We are the good guys, Bran"

    That's kinda how I feel about everything, really.

    There's so few sides or people to root for in this show it's unreal.

    umm root 4 brienne
    root 4 daenarys personal slave because shes the best

    anddddddddddd

    arya

    ok done

    This show has made me realize I have a weird attraction to pretty women who manipulate their way about and stab things.

    That's not weird.

    I suppose not.

    My criteria for ranking favorite characters is surprisingly simple, though.

    Is it a woman, is it awesome, does it kill things.

    (Most of the women are pretty awesome though, I like all the characters in their own way. Except Joffrey.)

  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    Willingness to stab things when need arises is usually a good way to become a character I like. There's few characters I loathe quite as much as those who are useless sad sacks in a situation where some initiative would serve them well.

    See: Tyrion and the shield.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    I like Somethingawful's designation of Samwell Tarley as a fellow goon (member of their forums)

    He just needs a fedora, although he did engage a White Walker, and after it broke his sword he charged it with a glass dagger with no reason to think it'd have any effect, so there's that

    characters I'm currently rooting for: Arya, Tyrion, Sam, Podrick Payne, Jon Snuuuuuh (to learn to close his goddamn mouth), Davos, little scale princess

    don't have to root for Dany because everything's comin up Dany all on its own

    override367 on
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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited April 2014

    don't have to root for Dany because everything's comin up Dany all on its own

    She's gone the longest without suffering a failure or a setback and this frightens me. Because I'm want her or Tyrion to "win".

    Like I'm just waiting for something awful to happen to her or her army or her dragons that just totally fucks up her current winning streak.

    Like I keep thinking her army is going to get so big that it collapses on itself due to lack of supplies or residence, and always being on the march.

    That or one of her Dragons gets too hungry and eats someone.

    I think my worst nightmare for the show would be if Tyrion finally won control of Kings Landing and Westeros only for Dany to show up with a giant army and then they both wind up dead.

    Viskod on
  • DeciusDecius I'm old! I'm fat! I'M BLUE!Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Is there any truth to the rumour I heard that GRRM's wife threatened divorce if he killed Arya? Cause I think that's the only character shield that may exist in this world; if the gods themselves are bound from causing death.

    Edit: I haven't read the books and am not implying she dies or doesn't die. Just adding to the overall discussion of character death.

    Decius on
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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular

    Arya is loved like Joffrey was hated.

    Also, that little girl has a much higher body count than our dearly departed king.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Arya is loved like Joffrey was hated.

    Also, that little girl has a much higher body count than our dearly departed king.

    Murdered and had beat each other by threat of murder less prostitutes.

    I thought Joffrey was the one that ordered all of Robert's bastards killed.

    Considering Robert... that's a lot of dead babies.

    Also, regarding Bran's vision, I liked that it shared a lot of imagery with Dany's trip into the Wizard's tower and subsequent stroll through a three-dimensional metaphor.

    Taramoor on
  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    So... the mountain.

    The new one.

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    This guy.



    ... my girlfriend, who completely hates this show and does not watch it, casually told me that a friend of hers from the fitness/strongman community was going to be on that show I like tonight.

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    So, uhh. holy shit.

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    That dudes name is Thor Bjornsson

    That is metal as fuck

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    Pony wrote: »
    That dudes name is Thor Bjornsson

    That is metal as fuck

    He apparently goes by Half Thor.

    Which... I just... I can't even rationalize it.

    And Cannot fathom a full thor to save my life.

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    I remember when Lost and BSG were on, I would hear the same kind of complaints as these. I really don't get it. I mean if you're bored nobody can make you interested, I get that. But I feel like some viewers just want to have the plot advanced to get the dramatic events checked off so we can reach the conclusion ASAP.

    There're things such as characterization, imagery and more going on in good stories. That's why I liked the flashbacks in Lost, for example.

    I figure I could take a bear.
  • Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    That dudes name is Thor Bjornsson

    That is metal as fuck

    He apparently goes by Half Thor.

    Which... I just... I can't even rationalize it.

    And Cannot fathom a full thor to save my life.

    Well he's hard to find, since he spends most of his time hunting and slaughtering ice giants.

    As for interest and Dragon-boobs' meanderings...yeah. I don't hate Dany for being boring, or detracting from the plot in Westeros because, arguably, Westeros is detracting from HER plot. I mean right now in Westeros the running theme is terrible people being awful, and anyone who looks cool is probably (the way things seem to go) going to end up being rendered irrelevant by murder, betrayal, or the like.

    But I don't like Daenarys because while lot of good, or at least smart people have horrible things happen to them she "Magoos" her way through an endless series of convenient successes with minimal damage by virtue of all villains around her suddenly having a severe attack of The Stupid when she shows up.

  • DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    That dudes name is Thor Bjornsson

    That is metal as fuck

    He apparently goes by Half Thor.

    Which... I just... I can't even rationalize it.

    And Cannot fathom a full thor to save my life.

    That's because "Half Thor" is his name.

    Hafþór Björnsson

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