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Thane of Gnomes, Season Premiere (ALL HBO, NO BOOKS)

JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
edited April 2015 in Debate and/or Discourse
Who's ready for a tale of blood-soaked adventure and intrigue from a fantasy land of magic and skulduggery?

Warning: not for the squeamish!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rErmmcwVkjQ

Oh. I seem to have misheard something. Aherm. Here you go.
Game of Thrones is a hit fantasy drama airing on HBO and based on NOTHING IN PARTICULAR AT ALL. Set in the mythical realm of Westeros, a land where seasons can last a lifetime, the only person you can trust is yourself and maybe not even then, where magic is being reborn, and where all men must die.

We follow a variety of characters across an epic story. In the aftermath of a mysterious death, the realms of men are drawn into a great conflagration as the nobles of the world play the game of thrones. Meanwhile, the last scion of a former ruler undergoes a transformative journey to reclaim her family's birthright and in the far reaches of the continent an ancient evil awakens that may spell the end of it all.

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In this thread we will discuss this show and our feelings about it.

The purpose of this thread is to give show watchers an avenue for discussion that isn't poisoned by those of us ubernerds who know how to read. If you'd like to talk about book spoilers, there's an app for that, but talk about <REDACTED> or <MISSING LINE> or <EXPLITAVE DELETED> in here and that's a paddlin'.

Spoiler Policy: Pretty standard stuff, current season and future episodes should get spoiler tags (meaning not only hide them behind the cut but label them as well) while seasons 1-3 will be fair game. Once season four ends we'll go ahead and open up that for discussion after a little bit of a grace period.

Special Note to Cross Threaders: Most of us can participate in both threads without being geese. Some of us can't. If you just can't help but post a leading theory or snarky remark about an episode that's about to air the rest of us book readers will deal with you faster than Walder Frey dealt with Dany in the Battle of the Stony Shore (just kidding, that's not a thing guys. Though if it ever is, called it!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk

So enjoy, remember, Winter is Coming.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    I need to read the Umberto Eco essay he mentions.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

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    Cobalt60Cobalt60 regular Registered User regular
    Jorah Mormont was known by most of the population of Bear Island as the Lord of Bear Island. He was the Ned Stark of Bear Island.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    I feel safe in saying he could walk into random person's hut and they'd have no idea who he was unless he said "I am Jorah Mormont". Same with Ned Stark, barring their clothes etc. But even if he couldn't go to Bear Island, anywhere else would be fine.

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    EgosEgos Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    He is nobility. Jeor was lord but gave that up upon joining the NIght's Watch. And I believe Jorah's Aunt is current Queen.

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    ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    In the world the series describes, it's unlikely that anyone's followers would have much of an idea of what Lord X and Lady Y look like, unless they've met them before; if there are paintings, I'd expect that they don't always look all that much like the people they're supposed to depict.

    I've even read papers suggesting that before good mirrors were pretty much omnipresent people might not have had that good an idea of what *they themselves* look like, simply because they weren't exposed to that particular image all that often, and that this might even have had an impact on how they perceive others.

    tl;dr: Just because we know what these people look like doesn't mean that people will know Jorah. If the story requires it, though, he'd be sure to bump into someone who knew him when he was younger.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    Season Finale prediction: above the sky we see a flash of light and oh shit that's the battlestar galactica. Cut to Colonel Tigh taking one look at King's Landing, saying 'frak this shit' and the Galactica jumping away.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Season Finale prediction: above the sky we see a flash of light and oh shit that's the battlestar galactica. Cut to Colonel Tigh taking one look at King's Landing, saying 'frak this shit' and the Galactica jumping away.

    well now I'm just going to be disappointed

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Season Finale prediction: above the sky we see a flash of light and oh shit that's the battlestar galactica. Cut to Colonel Tigh taking one look at King's Landing, saying 'frak this shit' and the Galactica jumping away.

    Wow, are spoilers OK now?

    For me, the moment I'm most looking forward to is Tyrion being executed, and then waking up on the Cylon baseship, and being greeted by the Oberyn models.

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    Vic_HazardVic_Hazard Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    He could try, but I don't think hiding in a hut in the woods counts as "getting home" for him. It's totally possible, but his life would suck and it would be hugely dangerous.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I would be totally cool if we never heard from Jorah again.

    Or Barristan.
    Or Daario.
    Or Missandei.
    Or Grey Worm.
    Or that one girl that hangs out with them.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    edited June 2014
    That episode was rad, would've liked to see a special version of the Intro showing just the Wall though. IIRC the last episode to be in one area alone omitted the intro.
    Ser Alliser is still alive, right? Last we saw he was dragged away, but still breathing.

    Poor Pyp and Grenn. :<

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    Oh brilliant
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    ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    I like both Jorah and Barristan, both the actors and the characters. I also like Missandei and Grey Worm in small doses, and the doses we've been getting are small enough. At present I'm actually more interested and engaged in these four than I am in Dany herself.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I would be totally cool if we never heard from Jorah again.

    Or Barristan.
    Or Daario.
    Or Missandei.
    Or Grey Worm.
    Or that one girl that hangs out with them.

    wtf i will not tolerate this sledging of nathalie emmanuels ass

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    It's a shame Yoren's group never made it to The Wall. Hot Pie would have been a real asset in the kitchens, and they might've trained him up on kitchen-related combat.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Season Finale prediction: above the sky we see a flash of light and oh shit that's the battlestar galactica. Cut to Colonel Tigh taking one look at King's Landing, saying 'frak this shit' and the Galactica jumping away.

    Wow, are spoilers OK now?

    For me, the moment I'm most looking forward to is Tyrion being executed, and then waking up on the Cylon baseship, and being greeted by the Oberyn models.

    There are many copies.

    And they have a sexy plan.

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    Steel_AtlasSteel_Atlas Registered User regular
    1. I assure you David the Gnomes ending brutalized more children then anything in Game of Thrones.

    2. Great episode last week, the only thing I was wondering was if that was a skirmish how will they top it for round 2.

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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    David the Gnome had an ending?

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Delmain wrote: »
    David the Gnome had an ending?

    Sadness spoiler

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I would be totally cool if we never heard from Jorah again.

    Or Barristan.
    Or Daario.
    Or Missandei.
    Or Grey Worm.
    Or that one girl that hangs out with them.

    Abort! Abort! Abort! Dragon incoming!

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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Delmain wrote: »
    David the Gnome had an ending?

    Sadness spoiler
    wtf, they turned into trees.

    I am kinda glad I don't remember any of that show after all

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I would be totally cool if we never heard from Jorah again.

    Or Barristan.
    Or Daario.
    Or Missandei.
    Or Grey Worm.
    Or that one girl that hangs out with them.

    Missandei is super pretty and now I've seen her boobs.

    I welcome this in every episode pls.

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    3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    Did anyone catch the shot during the melee of the kitchen cook with the massive meat cleaver basically laying down the law in his dining hall? Heathens - probably put their elbows on the table too.

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    3lwap0 wrote: »
    Did anyone catch the shot during the melee of the kitchen cook with the massive meat cleaver basically laying down the law in his dining hall? Heathens - probably put their elbows on the table too.

    No idea what you're talking about.

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    valiancevaliance Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I would be totally cool if we never heard from Jorah again.

    Or Barristan.
    Or Daario.
    Or Missandei.
    Or Grey Worm.
    Or that one girl that hangs out with them.

    did you once like the Dany storyline and now it stinks? or you never liked her/it?

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    RadioElectricRadioElectric Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

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    DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    cuz a dude that sold slaves and then became a spy to avoid punishment for aforementioned slave running is super beloved by all

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    EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    it's not like the Mormonts got to watch the show and see how awesome Jorah has become. Though from the way he is described by Tywin+ small council, he was at least of a knight of some reputation.

    But still a disgraced knight. I suspect he would get a similar reaction to that one Theon gets when he approaches proud ironborn. If a bit less crude considering ,well, the Ironborn are Ironborn.

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    EgosEgos Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    Also a side note: I'm not sure if the "actual" pardon still exists. I think all that Barristan has is a forgery created by Tywin Lannister. SEE: "Mace ,fetch me my quill!"

    "That's a good, Mace"



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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Egos wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    Also a side note: I'm not sure if the "actual" pardon still exists. I think all that Barristan has is a forgery created by Tywin Lannister. SEE: "Mace ,fetch me my quill!"

    "That's a good, Mace"

    It's got the Hand's seal on it, it's good as genuine. Ser Barristan, who has worked at the court since he was a young man, believes it to be real. If Jorah shows up with that and show it to people, they'll no doubt believe it to be real as well.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    Also a side note: I'm not sure if the "actual" pardon still exists. I think all that Barristan has is a forgery created by Tywin Lannister. SEE: "Mace ,fetch me my quill!"

    "That's a good, Mace"

    It's got the Hand's seal on it, it's good as genuine. Ser Barristan, who has worked at the court since he was a young man, believes it to be real. If Jorah shows up with that and show it to people, they'll no doubt believe it to be real as well.

    It probably also helps that all the people who punished him are dead or don't care.

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    EgosEgos Registered User regular
    Does he still have it? Regardless I agree with others above saying he wouldn't likely be received warmly.

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    LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Egos wrote: »
    Does he still have it? Regardless I agree with others above saying he wouldn't likely be received warmly.

    Yeah, pardon or not, he was exiled for slavery, even his family will just be pissed that he's a stain on their family name. The one time we heard The Lord Commander mention him he sure didn't sound like he would forgive him if he came back, and that was his own father.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Does he still have it? Regardless I agree with others above saying he wouldn't likely be received warmly.

    Yeah, pardon or not, he was exiled for slavery, even his family will just be pissed that he's a stain on their family name. The one time we heard The Lord Commander mention him he sure didn't sound like he would forgive him if he came back, and that was his own father.

    but this is a patriarchal society and he's now the patriarch of their family

    who's going to send him packing if he shows up at the castle, his mother? he's young enough to continue their line and nobody in power cares what he did

    most of the men of his family presumably were slaughtered in the war, if he showed up with a note that said "you are pardoned" in crayon he'd probably have a place there. A land without a lord doesn't last long. And he sold someone into slavery instead of executing them, I don't think most nobles would care as much as Ned did.

    I'm just saying most noble families seem to think family is pretty important and they don't tend to be the ones deciding what penalty their elder male family members should deserve, like if Tywin did something really bad all the sudden the lannisters would kick him out?

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    Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    3lwap0 wrote: »
    Did anyone catch the shot during the melee of the kitchen cook with the massive meat cleaver basically laying down the law in his dining hall? Heathens - probably put their elbows on the table too.

    I liked that the head cook apparently had a two-handed meat cleaver.

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    DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    Also a side note: I'm not sure if the "actual" pardon still exists. I think all that Barristan has is a forgery created by Tywin Lannister. SEE: "Mace ,fetch me my quill!"

    "That's a good, Mace"

    It's got the Hand's seal on it, it's good as genuine. Ser Barristan, who has worked at the court since he was a young man, believes it to be real. If Jorah shows up with that and show it to people, they'll no doubt believe it to be real as well.

    As Eddard Stark found out, sometimes having your paperwork in order is just not good enough

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    Also a side note: I'm not sure if the "actual" pardon still exists. I think all that Barristan has is a forgery created by Tywin Lannister. SEE: "Mace ,fetch me my quill!"

    "That's a good, Mace"

    It's got the Hand's seal on it, it's good as genuine. Ser Barristan, who has worked at the court since he was a young man, believes it to be real. If Jorah shows up with that and show it to people, they'll no doubt believe it to be real as well.

    You mean Tywin "The Hand" Lannister's seal? Just saying. Actually I don't know if that would be a forgery or not...

    I just confused myself. It's been a long day.

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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Jorah talk from last thread: Why is everyone assuming he has to take charge of anything? 99% of the population of Bear Island doesn't know who he was, if not more, he just finds a nice spot, makes a nice log cabin and whatever else. Happy Ending! This makes too much sense, though, so he'll end up dead trying to get back into Dany's good graces right in front of her or something.

    Jorah has a pardon from Robert Baratheon. The Mormonts were loyal to him, his word will still be law to them. I am sure they will be glad to have Jorah back.

    Also a side note: I'm not sure if the "actual" pardon still exists. I think all that Barristan has is a forgery created by Tywin Lannister. SEE: "Mace ,fetch me my quill!"

    "That's a good, Mace"

    It's got the Hand's seal on it, it's good as genuine. Ser Barristan, who has worked at the court since he was a young man, believes it to be real. If Jorah shows up with that and show it to people, they'll no doubt believe it to be real as well.

    You mean Tywin "The Hand" Lannister's seal? Just saying. Actually I don't know if that would be a forgery or not...

    I just confused myself. It's been a long day.

    No, I mean the Hand's seal, the same seal every Hand uses.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    More to the point, how many nights do you think it would take before Jorah rides back home holding up a piece of paper signed by Tywin Lannister before the knives come out?

    Like whatever his folks think about Jorah's original crime, I'm pretty sure getting pardoned by a Lannister is actually going to be an even bigger crime to them. He'd be seen as a collaborator.

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