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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    The Dothraki seem to have the infamy of the Mongols without having achieved the same level of sophistication in their warfare.

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Chanus wrote: »
    The Dothraki seem to have the infamy of the Mongols without having achieved the same level of sophistication in their warfare.

    Steppe nomads were infamous warriors throughout history, both before and after the Mongol Empire. When enough of them unified under a single leader they had a tendency to run roughshod over any sedentary nation. So, the reputation the Dothraki have is probably comparable to that. They're not so bad right now, but the people of Essos likely remember periods in the past where a powerful Khal brought the Dothraki together in large enough numbers to pose a serious threat.

    Khal Drogo seemed like he was well on his way to that point, but then he died prematurely.

    Fakefaux on
  • Vic_HazardVic_Hazard Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Vikings were mostly traders and explorers, famous for their personal grooming, flair and hygiene (relatively speaking of course), and put high value in single combat. Women held relatively powerful positions being the heads of households while men were heads of trade/battle/work.

    About the only thing correct with the hollywood version of a viking is that they had sick haircuts/beard braids, and maybe hollywood emphasizes single combat (like hollywood always does). Oh also hollywood correctly puts them as capable seamen, although they rarely show the most common usages of such vessels (trade, exploration, fishing).


    The Celts and Vikings were great metalworkers as well.


    In comparison the Iron Borne seem to despise trade, although it might just be house greyjoy it doesn't seem like it. Real vikings would be all over getting gold and weapons for selling sheep or whatever.

    Vic_Hazard on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    The Dothraki seem to have the infamy of the Mongols without having achieved the same level of sophistication in their warfare.

    Steppe nomads were infamous warriors throughout history, both before and after the Mongol Empire. When enough of them unified under a single leader they had a tendency to run roughshod over any sedentary nation. So, the reputation the Dothraki have is probably comparable to that. They're not so bad right now, but the people of Essos likely remember periods in the past where a powerful Khal brought the Dothraki together in large enough numbers to pose a serious threat.

    Khal Drogo seemed like he was well on his way to that point, but then he died prematurely.

    Yeah, European history is full of plains nomads wandering in and wrecking shit up. The Dothraki are definitely an idealised version of this, but they are pretty explicitly not Mongol levels of sophistication. Which is why I'm pretty sure "So how the fuck are they gonna siege a castle?" came up in the show.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Vic_Hazard wrote: »
    Vikings were mostly traders and explorers, famous for their personal grooming, flair and hygiene (relatively speaking of course), and put high value in single combat. Women held relatively powerful positions being the heads of households while men were heads of trade/battle/work.

    About the only thing correct with the hollywood version of a viking is that they had sick haircuts/beard braids, and maybe hollywood emphasizes single combat (like hollywood always does). Oh also hollywood correctly puts them as capable seamen, although they rarely show the most common usages of such vessels (trade, exploration, fishing).


    The Celts and Vikings were great metalworkers as well.


    In comparison the Iron Borne seem to despise trade, although it might just be house greyjoy it doesn't seem like it. Real vikings would be all over getting gold and weapons for selling sheep or whatever.

    While they have alot of the trappings of Vikings, I think they are more accurately seen as residents of Hebrides (who did have connections to Norway and the like). The Iron Isles seem alot more sparsely populated and inhospitable then, say, Denmark.

    Also, obviously, they are idealized stereotypes to a certain extent.

  • MusicoolMusicool Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    The Dothraki seem to have the infamy of the Mongols without having achieved the same level of sophistication in their warfare.

    Steppe nomads were infamous warriors throughout history, both before and after the Mongol Empire. When enough of them unified under a single leader they had a tendency to run roughshod over any sedentary nation. So, the reputation the Dothraki have is probably comparable to that. They're not so bad right now, but the people of Essos likely remember periods in the past where a powerful Khal brought the Dothraki together in large enough numbers to pose a serious threat.

    Khal Drogo seemed like he was well on his way to that point, but then he died prematurely.

    Yeah, European history is full of plains nomads wandering in and wrecking shit up. The Dothraki are definitely an idealised version of this, but they are pretty explicitly not Mongol levels of sophistication. Which is why I'm pretty sure "So how the fuck are they gonna siege a castle?" came up in the show.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Mongols themselves only learn siegecraft after they started seeing castles?

    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I disagree completely.

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  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Musicool wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    The Dothraki seem to have the infamy of the Mongols without having achieved the same level of sophistication in their warfare.

    Steppe nomads were infamous warriors throughout history, both before and after the Mongol Empire. When enough of them unified under a single leader they had a tendency to run roughshod over any sedentary nation. So, the reputation the Dothraki have is probably comparable to that. They're not so bad right now, but the people of Essos likely remember periods in the past where a powerful Khal brought the Dothraki together in large enough numbers to pose a serious threat.

    Khal Drogo seemed like he was well on his way to that point, but then he died prematurely.

    Yeah, European history is full of plains nomads wandering in and wrecking shit up. The Dothraki are definitely an idealised version of this, but they are pretty explicitly not Mongol levels of sophistication. Which is why I'm pretty sure "So how the fuck are they gonna siege a castle?" came up in the show.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Mongols themselves only learn siegecraft after they started seeing castles?

    That's correct. In their early Chinese campaigns they had a lot of trouble with sieges, so they largely did what Robert Baratheon described in season one. That is, they ignored strong castles and rode about the countryside, looting and pillaging, destroying any armies that were fielded against them. They couldn't crack castles until Chinese artisans who knew how to make siege engines were captured or chose to defect. Before that their only real solutions were to starve a castle out or mount a very messy siege where large numbers of captives would be conscripted to serves as a living arrow shield before the Mongols engaged.

    Only as the fledgling Mongol state grew into an empire did it begin to incorporate a formal corps of Chinese and Muslim siege engineers.

    Fakefaux on
  • Liquid GhostLiquid Ghost DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO?! Registered User regular
    on a separate note, i think it's time we as a society somehow brought pooping and farting back into our day-to-day depictions of fantasy

    we've gotten to the point where our story/movie/television show characters will eat, do drugs, fuck, give birth, and die. sometimes they will take a piss or something right before being gutted by a crazy person wielding a giant saw.

    the only time anyone rips ass is during a comedic scene meant to garner a cheap laugh

    no more, i say

    characters will now take breaks to pee and poop and shower

    they will sometimes excuse themselves and fart proudly like their cavemen ancestors once did

    people would hate cersei a lot less if she were to occasionally interrupt one of her grumpy speeches to bite her bottom lip, lift a leg upwards like a crane, and crank out a solid honker or two like a lannister who truly doesn't give a fuck

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Tywin's horse knew what was up.

    Just taking a big old dump in the middle of the throne room.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    While chamber pots have been mentioned a time or two I seriously doubt you're going to get a prolonged scene where Margaery plots her next move while taking a nice leisurely dump.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    on a separate note, i think it's time we as a society somehow brought pooping and farting back into our day-to-day depictions of fantasy

    we've gotten to the point where our story/movie/television show characters will eat, do drugs, fuck, give birth, and die. sometimes they will take a piss or something right before being gutted by a crazy person wielding a giant saw.

    the only time anyone rips ass is during a comedic scene meant to garner a cheap laugh

    no more, i say

    characters will now take breaks to pee and poop and shower

    they will sometimes excuse themselves and fart proudly like their cavemen ancestors once did

    people would hate cersei a lot less if she were to occasionally interrupt one of her grumpy speeches to bite her bottom lip, lift a leg upwards like a crane, and crank out a solid honker or two like a lannister who truly doesn't give a fuck

    I remember watching an episode of Spartacus where a guy stopped mid conversation at a public umm...restroom(?) took a shit and wiped and then continued on with his conversation. I did not watch anymore episodes of Spartacus.

  • Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I thought We Do Not Sow was specific to House Greyjoy.

    You're right. I'll have to revisit my thesis.

    Doesn't matter. They're the premier ruling House of the Iron Born. Their motto isn't an accident.
    Balon's attitude towards Theon and the sniggering disregard of Theon by "his" raiders are every indication. His reaving credentials are a bit thin.

  • AustralopitenicoAustralopitenico Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    He looks like a tortoise longing for lettuce. I think it's the neck.

    Australopitenico on
  • BuchoBucho One careful pwner Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    He looks like a tortoise longing for lettuce. I think it's the neck.

    Oh God, now I can't unsee it. Why would you do that to my beautiful Oberyn you evil genius.

    Bucho on
  • StarZapperStarZapper Vermont, Bizzaro world.Registered User regular
    on a separate note, i think it's time we as a society somehow brought pooping and farting back into our day-to-day depictions of fantasy

    we've gotten to the point where our story/movie/television show characters will eat, do drugs, fuck, give birth, and die. sometimes they will take a piss or something right before being gutted by a crazy person wielding a giant saw.

    the only time anyone rips ass is during a comedic scene meant to garner a cheap laugh

    no more, i say

    characters will now take breaks to pee and poop and shower

    they will sometimes excuse themselves and fart proudly like their cavemen ancestors once did

    people would hate cersei a lot less if she were to occasionally interrupt one of her grumpy speeches to bite her bottom lip, lift a leg upwards like a crane, and crank out a solid honker or two like a lannister who truly doesn't give a fuck

    Historically armored knights would piss and shit right in their armor, since it was so difficult and awkward to remove. It was the unlucky squires job to clean it up afterward. I'm sure they could fit in a scene somewhere of podrick wiping some shit off armor. So much for those knights in shining armor...

  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Shit-shined armor!

    Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    galapagos_tortoise_114520_353102.jpg

  • DivideByZeroDivideByZero Social Justice Blackguard Registered User regular
    ...if that tortoise ordered me to take off my clothes I'd probably have to do it, yeah.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Tywin's horse knew what was up.

    Just taking a big old dump in the middle of the throne room.

    Hey, the champion of Mereen and Daario both showed the truth of that old saying: sometimes you just gotta go.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    He looks like a tortoise longing for lettuce. I think it's the neck.

    cannot.... unsee...

  • Liquid GhostLiquid Ghost DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO?! Registered User regular
    oberyn "the tortoise" martell definitely has a certain ring to it

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2014
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    galapagos_tortoise_114520_353102.jpg

    Goddamit.

    Elki on
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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Taramoor wrote: »
    While chamber pots have been mentioned a time or two I seriously doubt you're going to get a prolonged scene where Margaery plots her next move while taking a nice leisurely dump.

    it would make as much sense as Littlefinger recounting the plot of the previous five episodes needlessly while two chicks fingerbang loudly in the background.

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • quantumcat42quantumcat42 Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    While chamber pots have been mentioned a time or two I seriously doubt you're going to get a prolonged scene where Margaery plots her next move while taking a nice leisurely dump.

    it would make as much sense as Littlefinger recounting the plot of the previous five episodes needlessly while two chicks fingerbang shit loudly in the background.
    Missed opportunity to fanservice the 2 girls 1 cup crowd.

  • Vic_HazardVic_Hazard Registered User regular
    StarZapper wrote: »
    on a separate note, i think it's time we as a society somehow brought pooping and farting back into our day-to-day depictions of fantasy

    we've gotten to the point where our story/movie/television show characters will eat, do drugs, fuck, give birth, and die. sometimes they will take a piss or something right before being gutted by a crazy person wielding a giant saw.

    the only time anyone rips ass is during a comedic scene meant to garner a cheap laugh

    no more, i say

    characters will now take breaks to pee and poop and shower

    they will sometimes excuse themselves and fart proudly like their cavemen ancestors once did

    people would hate cersei a lot less if she were to occasionally interrupt one of her grumpy speeches to bite her bottom lip, lift a leg upwards like a crane, and crank out a solid honker or two like a lannister who truly doesn't give a fuck

    Historically armored knights would piss and shit right in their armor, since it was so difficult and awkward to remove. It was the unlucky squires job to clean it up afterward. I'm sure they could fit in a scene somewhere of podrick wiping some shit off armor. So much for those knights in shining armor...

    W-what? You would get sores and get sick ultra fast riding like this. Do you believe anyone would design armor you'd have to shit yourself in? This reeks of "knights couldn't even mount their own mounts!", it makes no sense.

    It's like the idea that a knight would die solely from the weight of his armor if he fell off his horse. If that were true why the hell would anyone wear this monster armor? It would be more likely to kill you than save you.

  • TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    While chamber pots have been mentioned a time or two I seriously doubt you're going to get a prolonged scene where Margaery plots her next move while taking a nice leisurely dump.

    it would make as much sense as Littlefinger recounting the plot of the previous five episodes needlessly while two chicks fingerbang loudly in the background.

    Can we get this is an after show please.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    galapagos_tortoise_114520_353102.jpg

    Why did you post a photo of Mitch McConnell? I'm confused.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    Hey, it's Colin Kaepernick!

    Turtle power?

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Bobble wrote: »
    Everybody stop talking and look at this picture of Oberyn
    250px-Oberyn-Martell-Profile-HD.png

    galapagos_tortoise_114520_353102.jpg

    Why did you post a photo of Mitch McConnell? I'm confused.
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    Like a hall of mirrors man.

    Shadowhope on
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  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
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  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    I'm sad to say it took me a second to see
    the female form/ygritte

    e: I should say I didn't read the caption :rotate:

    Egos on
  • Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    Whoa. How did a guy get infracted for talking about farts?
    Is that not the correct joke for this demographic?

  • TommattTommatt Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    So everyone here is talking about how Stannis is heading to the wall. I went to google tonight for a quote for another thread, thought it was "for the night is dark and full of horrors" and found this video for my correction. Found some of the things she said pretty interesting with regards to the wall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmVI84iYOQ

    *edit* first 50 seconds roughly. So the god of light knows about the threat from the north it seems.

    Tommatt on
  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Also do not google game of thrones shit dude, unless you're prepared to get randomly spoiled

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    This is not the superhero I would expect Jason Momoa to show up as.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Hey, at least Aquaman finally has a chance to be a badass.

  • FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    Man, this season has really flown past.

  • LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    The Dothraki seem to have the infamy of the Mongols without having achieved the same level of sophistication in their warfare.

    Steppe nomads were infamous warriors throughout history, both before and after the Mongol Empire. When enough of them unified under a single leader they had a tendency to run roughshod over any sedentary nation. So, the reputation the Dothraki have is probably comparable to that. They're not so bad right now, but the people of Essos likely remember periods in the past where a powerful Khal brought the Dothraki together in large enough numbers to pose a serious threat.

    Khal Drogo seemed like he was well on his way to that point, but then he died prematurely.

    Yeah, European history is full of plains nomads wandering in and wrecking shit up. The Dothraki are definitely an idealised version of this, but they are pretty explicitly not Mongol levels of sophistication. Which is why I'm pretty sure "So how the fuck are they gonna siege a castle?" came up in the show.

    It did.

    The idea was that they couldn't take a castle, but they would just ravage the countryside in the mean time. So the nobility wouldn't die, but they would probably begin to starve, and they would lose the support of all the people who managed to survive the raping and pillaging.

    "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
    "We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
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    this is an artist's depiction of how my last experiment with pumping magma went in dwarf fortress

    also a really goddamn cool piece of artwork

    override367 on
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