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I should have known better than to take cruz this year
With the same ole Eli though.
Yea, now I'm really glad I didn't pull the trigger on trading for him.
I... umm... I'm not sure how to feel anymore.
Domestic Abuse is a hell of a thing
This is how I feel.
1. I completly understand that their lives have been ruined by a zealous invasive TMZ and an overbearing Tuesday morning quarterback public who can't possibly understand the situation they are going through. She said it was fine, and that she forgave him and they are trying to move on. Maybe this was a one time mistake on the worst day of their lives and they both know it won't happen ever again. They certainly know better than we do, anyway(hopefully).
2. THIS CHANGES NOTHING.
This isn't about Ray and Janay Rice anymore. This is about a dude committing assault in a public elevator and how, at GREAT lengths, the NFL and the local law enforcement, and literally everyone involved, went to coverup and brush the situation under the rug.
Like at some point, it dosen't matter how much you "stand by" you husband and forgive him and you're sure it'll never happen again. He DID IT. It HAPPENDED. Just because you forgive him dosen't mean law enforcement/law offices/the NF FUCKIN L can go, "Oh, we're cool here? Okay no probs!". It dosen't happen in real life domestic disputs that ends in violence, it shouldn't happen to you just because you want it to go away.
He fucked up in an excessivly public manner, and he, and now you, have to live with the consequences of his decision.
Janay saying, "It's all good how dare you" is fine.
It still dosen't mean he get's to keep his job and getting paid millions.
On top of that there should have been the normal criminal charges brought against him. The video makes the assault a pretty easy case to prosecute.
On the other hand, it's a tough thought experiment to run if you truly set emotion aside and think about this type of act. Should someone's entire life be pulled out from under them for a single act of stupidity vs. are there things that are truly an unforgivable act? That is assuming this is a single act of course. Is there true redemption for an assault like this?
The Ravens had the right to remove him from their organization and I can't say I blame them for wanting to publicly get away from a guy who knocks out women over some words. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the end.
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This is fair. I guess from my perspective, I don't know enough about their relationship.
It could be abusive and this makes her statements really really sad for reasons that everyone knows and I don't want to go into here. (Trust me, I have a hard time with this for personal reasons)
However, it could also be that it really was a once off mistake (one that I will hate Ray Rice forever for because there is no excuse for what he did what so ever).
I am honestly glad that RR is no longer on a football team. What I don't like and am very iffy/uneasy over is how the NFL/Ravens handled it. It appears they made a deal with Ray and Janay, who made a deal with the police (for posturing or for honest regretful truth, who knows). The NFL went, here is the deal and the punishment. Then the video comes out which they had to know would and the NFL goes JUST KIDDING, deal revoked.
I am by no means on RR side here and agree with what happened yesterday (should have happened sooner though). I guess what I am trying to say is I extremely hate the way the NFL handled this situation from beginning to end and I hope peoples jobs are on the line for it (looking at you Goodell).
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The flip side is also if this is a one-time thing, and she stays with him and they live event free the rest of their lives, in a way she is being punished as her husband now has no way to make a living. I think extending the suspension along with agreeing to some form of treatment/therapy in the same way you would a drug or alcohol problem would have been a much more appropriate response by the league.
Everyone doesn't act the same after an event, because people are different. Some cry, some pace, some panic, some go numb and may come across as you say "callous and indifferent". Which is why the logic of "so and so didn't react this way or the way I would have reacted, therefor they're wrong" is just poor reasoning.
Also, besides this one event what other information has come out that has shown you a pattern? I haven't seen anything else...I'm not defending Rice, but if this is just one example of a pattern then the NFL's reaction and the local police did an even worse job than I thought.
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I mean, i'm sure one of the reasons she stayed and didn't press charges was in part because he promised her that he'd give her all sorts of money, in addition to the way abusive relationships work, and now he is out of a job.
If the NFL/Law enforcement didn't half-ass his punishment, then there wouldn't have been the excessive blowback for....everything.
IF the NFL and everyone involved did their jobs properly, If the NFL wasn't so concerned about this not blowing up, and instead were concerned about Ray and Janay Rice, Ray Rice would still have a job.
Think about that for a second.
That's a pretty shitty thing to say about a person (Janay) without actually knowing much of anything about them.
After everything that's happened in the division (Steelers being Steelers, all of Cleveland, and everyfuckinggoddamnthing with the Ravens), I'm actually okay with the Bengals making it to the playoffs yet again this season. Yay?
Steam
just have to point out that "not being paid millions of dollars to play football" is a far cry from "having no way to make a living"
Ok - maybe my wording was too strong, but certainly he would lack a way to maintain their current lifestyle.
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If they were smart, they should have enough to live off of forever.
Too bad a lot of them aren't that smart, at least in terms of managing their money.
The goal of an abuser is to have their victim always be able to say "I know they love me because.." and "I know it won't happen again because they've changed" and "it was really my fault since..." and ultimately "it's not like there's anything else I can do, nobody else could ever love me. Without them I'd be..."
The dude had 15m in guaranteed money. Signing bonus was 15m. 2013 option bonus 7m. Plus his game checks.
Most people can't even comprehend having that much money.
Yeah - the interviews I've read recently with Antoine Walker really demonstrated how many players lack the experience and good financial guidance that should come with the salaries they are given. Along with that, it does punish her for staying with him, and I don't feel that is the right way to take care of a player and his wife.
No, not really
This is a known and documented feature of repeatedly abusive relationships
I read reports that he gets to keep something in the neighborhood of 25 million.
Even after taxes they should be able to live quite comfortably.
Since when is generalizing and painting with broad strokes not a shitty or stupid thing to do?
Here is the thing, both of you are assuming it is an abusive relationship. What proof do you have? You are fair to ask what proof do I have that it isn't, the answer there is none. I am not labelling this as abusive or non-abusive because I don't know. I have no idea.
What he did is horrible, terrible, dispicable, deplorable, cowardly, stupid, idiotic, unacceptable, etc. That one time though doesn't make this a long abusive relationship. This really could be a super shitty one off incident (still not right). So what makes it okay to label it as a 100% abusive relationship and she needs to get out of it without knowing more about RR's and JR's relationship? (Just asking because you could be right, you could be wrong, hence the I don't know stance I have on the matter)
Not surprising that TMZ would follow one good act with in turn them just making something up for hits
I don't care if it's a one time thing or not. You do that to a woman and it's an abusive relationship.
Well as proof I would cite a literal video of him punching her so hard in the face she becomes unconscious
When that happens one time it is an abusive relationship
The possibility of it ever happening again makes it so
You don't get to flip the switch and just make it a normal relationship again
Steam
I don't know if RR is legitimately sorry or not. If he really is and will do everything to show her (and others) that it won't happen again, I don't think you can label this as a LONG-TERM abusive relationship.
Abusive? Yes. Long-term? Not without knowing more from their past.
And please don't think I am giving him a pass. He is a shitheel for doing what he did. I just don't like the board painting of the relationship is over, Janay needs to get out (I am surprised she hasn't honestly), love isn't there, etc without knowing more about them. It could easily go either way from here.
People are capable of changing, even if they play for the ravens.
Is he probably a consistently abusive douchebag? Yeah. But it's not really fair to either of them to definitively claim anything.
We didn't say he couldn't change
we said their relationship was an abusive one