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[PA Comic] Friday, October 10, 2014 - Bug Hunt
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[PA Comic] Friday, October 10, 2014 - Bug Hunt
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I'd heard a lot about it and the film was on TV one night, so I sat down to watch it. There were some good bits, and I could see what people were talking about, but mostly I was just bored.
P sure this would just lead to Gabe being bored by the original too.
And while resolution isn't all that important to me (I can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080) framerate is. Having played a few great first party games in 60fps, it sucks to go back to the way things were. Doesn't sound like the PS4 version would even benefit from an unlocking patch, since they've prerendered the cutscenes in 30fps. :<
Good comic tho. As a fan who prefers the first movie to the second, this rings so true. I have been Tycho on that couch.
"Why are they going into the ship from Prometheus?"
"It's actually a different planet, so it's not the same ship"
"Yeah but don't they know the Engineers are evil?"
"Nah, cause no one made it off LV-223 to warn anyone else"
"Yeah but it's the same ship tho?"
"It's the same type of ship, it's not THE same one"
"But it looks just like it!"
"YEAH CAUSE IT'S THE SAME SHUT UP AND WATCH JOHN HURT EAT IT SUPER HARD"
I can fix that:
Someone else: "Something something something Prometheus."
You: "Did you just say Prometheus? Shut the fuck up."
<end of conversation>
People wouldn't shut up about that during the Shadow of Mordor stream too. "What's the Xbone frame rate?! Why are you purposefully concealing the framerate?! The truth of your shameful dealings will come out! You and your jackbooted thugs can't silence us in our noble crusade to DISCOVER THE XBONE FRAMERATE!"
where you asked them to actually sit down and play several games (not watch a video, actually play a game), and rate what they thought the average FPS actually was of each game they were playing
i think there's people in the industry who could nail it (professional game critics, for example) but that your average gamer who bitches about this shit would be easily visually fooled by the oddest shit into noticing or not noticing framerate
it's a thing that the majority of people, unless you are a nerd about this shit, only notice on an unconscious level anyway. many, many people notice it (see the reaction to the The Hobbit, for example) but they often cannot elucidate as to why or what it is they are noticing that bothers them or what the "sweet spot" is
and this idea that every game needs to be running at 60 FPS just because it is technically possible is stupid reddit "PC Master Race" garbo
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I am there.
Yeah I can't tell 30fps from 60fps or 720 from 1080 to save my life. And honestly I don't really care. I loved games when they were being pumped through composite cables into CRTs, I'll love them when they are crazy holograms or being beamed directly into my brain or whatever.
Hellooooo new desktop background!
That's all I know
"PC Master Race" garbo is actually quite useful; when someone spouts it, it tells me right away that I can completely ignore them because they are irrelevant.
30 vs 60 FPS is easily apparent, same for the resolution. Or are you folks going to say you also think DVD = Bluray in quality too? This complacency with subpar really is disappointing. Remember when everyone was actually amazed and loved the new technologies that came out (I'm thinking 90's PCs and game consoles). I think some folks would still be gaming on an Atari because they can't see the difference between 8-bit and 16-bit, let alone any other advances.
BTW it's not easily apparent, there's lots of people that objectively can't tell much difference.
this sure is a
viewpoint
30fps is fine for many
A first person horror game like alien isolation really should be 60fps imo though
really?
that's weird to me
I like the implied idea that because technologies have advanced to a point beyond what USED to the the newest technology, then what used to be the newest technology now sucks and every gaming experience with it is invalidated and should be shunned from this point on.
Furthermore, Atari isn't 8-bit and the difference between 30 and 60 fps is not even remotely similar to the difference between Atari and SNES. Or Atari and NES. Or NES and SNES.
As for that 30v60 website, I could definitely see a difference at some points in the video, especially the explosions, but after a few seconds my eyes seemed to have adjusted because the difference seemed less and less apparent, and at some points I was under the impression I was looking at the same thing.
Take a video of some gameplay, and add a 30 to the top corner.
Then re-edit it with a 60 in the top corner.
Play them side-by-side, and ask people to choose the 'best' one.
I guess this is how my audiophile friend feels when i tell him I can't tell the difference between $10 headphones and $1000 headphones
granted, it's a lot less pronounced on my television, because my tv has a slight almost imperceptible input->display delay anyway, also I'm sitting on the other side of the room
My problem with the "BUT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE 60 FRAMES BLARGH" crowd is that they talk of anything below 60 fps as if it were unplayable, even though we've played with 30 fps games for years and years, and most TV shows play at that framerate, and so do movies, and everyone seemed happy. I don't recall being miserable playing my Gamecube and going "This is bullshit! I can't be having fun unless I have at least this many pixels and frames and polycounts!"
I'm all for the exploration of technology and betterment of it, but we still make "retro-styled" games, especially indie devs, we play games of all sorts, 2D, 3D, 8-bit styles, crazy nice-looking or just the minimum (when it's a tiny studio and they can't afford AAA dev teams), and we enjoy ourselves. The pursuit of graphical advancement is nice and all, but the quality of a game, and more importantly, a gaming EXPERIENCE (enjoying ourself, having fun, being immersed in a story, competing in a well-balanced game, etc.) does not depend on the graphical prowess of our machine. There's a reason some games are forgotten and some have a timeless quality to them, even as technology advances.
EDIT: Also, if someone ever use the words "peasant", "master", "race" or the expression "objectively better" they instantly lose whatever debate they were arguing in.
I literally can't tell the difference.
At all.
I'm sorry buddy, your competent relevant arguments per second (or CRAPS as those in the biz like to use) is not high enough for us to care.
Amazing
Satans..... hints.....
Same here. I tried both examples on that site, and saw nothing to suggest one was better than the other.
So I guess I win? Games are going to look good to me this gen no matter what.
A night n' day comparison is DmC from last year - on consoles it ran at 30 and looked like dogbuns. PC it ran at 60 and looked amazing.
(missing the full effect, since it's at half speed cuz youtube only does 30fps, but you can still see how much smoother the animation is at 60)
The thing that matters though is that the left screen looks perfectly fine.
Yeah, the right screen sometimes looks slightly better, but we're not comparing shit with steak. We're comparing two pretty tasty steaks.
I also can't tell the difference between a dvd and blu-ray.
Maybe it's just that I've always had poor eyesight and glasses, so I just don't scrutinize visual detail that much?
Looked perfectly smooth to me.
That said, I played Quake on a machine that did 30fps and I played Quake on a machine that did 100 FPS. I know which one gave the better fragging experience and it wasn't the one with a two digit frame rate.
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