So about the premiere, does anyone have the feeling...
...that this is one big con by Davros? He's dying, so he decides the best way to go out is commit suicide via Doctor killing his younger self. The Daleks' existence has got to be such a major fixed point in time that ticking off the Doctor enough to wreck it by killing him before he ever came up with the idea in the first place would surely screw over time and reality hard. That and the Doctor killing a then-innocent child would probably be worth it in Davros' eyes.
So about the premiere, does anyone have the feeling...
...that this is one big con by Davros? He's dying, so he decides the best way to go out is commit suicide via Doctor killing his younger self. The Daleks' existence has got to be such a major fixed point in time that ticking off the Doctor enough to wreck it by killing him before he ever came up with the idea in the first place would surely screw over time and reality hard. That and the Doctor killing a then-innocent child would probably be worth it in Davros' eyes.
It shocks me anyone is finding a simple story of time travel in Who confusing. I mean, you can predict what will happen next episode even if you knew nothing about the show. Hell, the premise was stated in the episode out loud!
For the most part, I like Michelle Gomez more than John Simm as the Master/Missy, but I still think the writing for that character in particular is weird and off-putting.
I kinda feel like building up Davros this much is a bit overkill. Why the Doctor would be so sure that he's going to die this time is a mystery to me.
And why is Davros using this weird snake monster guy to look for the Doctor? I mean, it's a nifty monster design, but it seems out of place to me.
Some dialogue discussing when Davros realized the Screwdriver belonged to the Doctor and why he never mentioned it until now would have been good.
How about her? The Doctor originally left Gallifrey with a relative. If the Twelfth ends up being the incarnation to return, it'd make a nice book-end to do so with another relative.
And she already the daughter of and married to the doctor.
She was also conceivably the worst actress who has ever been on the modern show. Unfortunately. I'm sure she's a very lovely person, and I don't like to be rude about someone who is clearly very close to the heart of someone I admire a lot, but she was really awful. Maybe it was the script.
focused on the Master and the Daleks, the two villains I cannot possibly care about anymore
You cannot keep going back to that well
Don't they have to keep going back to the Dalek well though? I'm pretty sure I read that if they don't use them at least once a season, the rights to the Daleks revert to their original creator and the BBC loses them.
Granted, I'm pretty sure there's not much of a market for Daleks outside of Who, but I can't imagine the BBC would be thrilled to give up one of the most iconic aliens they have.
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So this is the first time in ever that a season premiere confounded me so much. It was like I tried to watch an episode after missing an entire season. This could be a huge mess, or this could be super brilliant. I rather hope the brilliant path, but I expect a mess.
stuff that bothered me the most as a fair-weather watcher of the show
a) missy's back, zero explanation. (she built her cybermen so they couldn't hurt her and instead teleported her to the nethersphere, or whatever. sure why not)
b) I'm surprised clara would even agree to deal with missy after what happened last season, wasn't it slightly implied danny's death was arranged by missy back in the two parter last season? I guess I can buy the explanation "for the doctor" though.
c) we're throwing this dark right out of the gate huh?
d) they don't really explain what the doctor did exactly, why he was in hiding. unless it was just because davros is looking for him?
Seriously guys, its SEASON 9 of the new series of a show thats been on for 50 years. Does every first episode of the season need to be a jumping off point? No. It does not.
From someone who watched the old series, the dalek story at least made sense. I loved seeing the old school daleks mixed in with the modern ones. The Missy thing...im a little less on board with but shes entertaining so I'll give her a break for the moment.
Pretend that the Doctor's death is coming. It's not, we know it's not.
Hand-waving random stuff because plot. Missy doesn't just get to come back because the Doctor knew she would.
Thinking we'll be surprised that the Daleks are back. They've come back half a dozen times at this point. No-one is surprised when they show up. It's actually more of a surprise if they don't turn up. The Doctor has probably come across them more often post-Time War, he must be wondering what the whole point of the thing was.
Things they need to start doing
Give Clara something to do. Got a great actor in Jenna Coleman who has been pretty fucking wasted up till now... but I guess that's too late.
focused on the Master and the Daleks, the two villains I cannot possibly care about anymore
You cannot keep going back to that well
Don't they have to keep going back to the Dalek well though? I'm pretty sure I read that if they don't use them at least once a season, the rights to the Daleks revert to their original creator and the BBC loses them.
Pretend that the Doctor's death is coming. It's not, we know it's not.
Hand-waving random stuff because plot. Missy doesn't just get to come back because the Doctor knew she would.
Thinking we'll be surprised that the Daleks are back. They've come back half a dozen times at this point. No-one is surprised when they show up. It's actually more of a surprise if they don't turn up. The Doctor has probably come across them more often post-Time War, he must be wondering what the whole point of the thing was.
Things they need to start doing
Give Clara something to do. Got a great actor in Jenna Coleman who has been pretty fucking wasted up till now... but I guess that's too late.
I'm waiting to see what happens next, but I think we might get an explanation for Missy's survival next episode. It looked just like the last time she died, she was wearing a vortex manipulator, and since the same thing happened to Clara and the TARDIS, and the Doctor apparently gets back to Kid Davros somehow, their survival may still be explained, and it might be the same way she came back already.
Besides, like you said, no-one is surprised by it, so they're acknowledging the comic-book death and return nature of the bad guys. 'Yes, I'm back, let's not insult ourselves by pretending we're surprised.'
No-one's surprised that the Daleks are back (they've been officially 'back for good' since Victory of the Daleks), but the fact that they rebuilt Skaro somehow is a bit of an eye-opener for the Doctor and Missy (was it not Skaro that Matt Smith got caught on in Asylum of the Daleks? It was a big Dalek planet, wherever it was). A super-vague explanation for how Davros got out of the whole 'exploding fleet' thing wouldn't be amiss, though.
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And yeah, something will go sideways no matter what anyone does.
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this feels like an end of season episode, not a season premier
I'm still mid-episode
I kinda feel like building up Davros this much is a bit overkill. Why the Doctor would be so sure that he's going to die this time is a mystery to me.
And why is Davros using this weird snake monster guy to look for the Doctor? I mean, it's a nifty monster design, but it seems out of place to me.
Some dialogue discussing when Davros realized the Screwdriver belonged to the Doctor and why he never mentioned it until now would have been good.
that is to say, he's had it all his life, but not until just now
before he hadn't had it all his life yet
It wasn't how time travel worked, but now it's worked like that all along.
Why I fear the ocean.
Until it doesn't again, unless it does.
She was also conceivably the worst actress who has ever been on the modern show. Unfortunately. I'm sure she's a very lovely person, and I don't like to be rude about someone who is clearly very close to the heart of someone I admire a lot, but she was really awful. Maybe it was the script.
You cannot keep going back to that well
Don't they have to keep going back to the Dalek well though? I'm pretty sure I read that if they don't use them at least once a season, the rights to the Daleks revert to their original creator and the BBC loses them.
Granted, I'm pretty sure there's not much of a market for Daleks outside of Who, but I can't imagine the BBC would be thrilled to give up one of the most iconic aliens they have.
It's either that or more boring stories and I know which price I'd rather pay
maybe grinding out the words CONTRACTUAL... OBLIGATION... FULFIIIIIILLLLLLEEEEDDDD
However Capaldi is kind of the perfect Doctor.
The second thing was Julian Bleach returning as Davros, because I really enjoyed his performance last time.
Minus the words, that's just about what happened in The Waters of Mars.
I can just see the headlines next year in the tabloids
BBC SELLS OUT : DALEKS TO BE REPLACED BY SNAPPLE!
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b) I'm surprised clara would even agree to deal with missy after what happened last season, wasn't it slightly implied danny's death was arranged by missy back in the two parter last season? I guess I can buy the explanation "for the doctor" though.
c) we're throwing this dark right out of the gate huh?
d) they don't really explain what the doctor did exactly, why he was in hiding. unless it was just because davros is looking for him?
I'm finally going to catch back up on my Doctor Who watch
I fell off around about The Wedding of River Song... so I have a Christmas special to get things started up again!
That was really boring!!! And badly acted! Step up your Christmas game, Doctor Who, you've done so well in the past!
Seriously guys, its SEASON 9 of the new series of a show thats been on for 50 years. Does every first episode of the season need to be a jumping off point? No. It does not.
Hand-waving random stuff because plot. Missy doesn't just get to come back because the Doctor knew she would.
Thinking we'll be surprised that the Daleks are back. They've come back half a dozen times at this point. No-one is surprised when they show up. It's actually more of a surprise if they don't turn up. The Doctor has probably come across them more often post-Time War, he must be wondering what the whole point of the thing was.
I really enjoyed it!
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that's stupid though, and I'm stupid for thinking it
it could be so good, but it would be so, so, so, so bad
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Besides, like you said, no-one is surprised by it, so they're acknowledging the comic-book death and return nature of the bad guys. 'Yes, I'm back, let's not insult ourselves by pretending we're surprised.'
No-one's surprised that the Daleks are back (they've been officially 'back for good' since Victory of the Daleks), but the fact that they rebuilt Skaro somehow is a bit of an eye-opener for the Doctor and Missy (was it not Skaro that Matt Smith got caught on in Asylum of the Daleks? It was a big Dalek planet, wherever it was). A super-vague explanation for how Davros got out of the whole 'exploding fleet' thing wouldn't be amiss, though.
Actually Clamp beat them to it