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RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
edited January 2015 in Debate and/or Discourse
What is known in modern times as Judges 5, or "the song of Deborah", is quite possibly the oldest surviving piece of literature in the Tanakh (also known as the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible).

Dating back as much as a couple hundred years prior to the creation and editing of the Tanakh in the period of the Babylonian Exile (early 6th century BCE) it may be a dim memory of the chaos that accompanied the end of bronze age civilization in the eastern Mediterranean. The translation differs greatly between different English versions as it is poetry that even the priests of the 6th century found to be confusing to read. Hence the previous section (now called Judges 4) is the same story written out in prose. But it is precisely because it is poetry, and presumably was set to music, that it was able to endure in oral tradition for any length of time.

note: due to some religious prohibitions that came about much later and the long and strange history of translations, anywhere below that reads "Lord" is in the original the proper name of the Hebrew god "YHWH". Since vowels were not included in that script the pronunciation has been inferred by modern scholars from transliterations into other ancient languages to be "Yahweh".
Further, while the NRSV is the best all round scholarly English translation in common use (it is what is used in the Oxford Annotated) I have read good arguments to the effect that anywhere in this song reading "bless" is more accurately read "praise" (eg: "bless the lord" should be read as "Praise Yahweh!". "Bless" today carries connotations of peaceful benediction when this song is a rally to Holy War.
"When locks are long in Israel,
when the people offer themselves willingly—
bless(a) the Lord!

“Hear, O kings; give ear, O princes;
to the Lord I will sing,
I will make melody to the Lord, the God of Israel.

“Lord, when you went out from Seir,
when you marched from the region of Edom,
the earth trembled,
and the heavens poured,
the clouds indeed poured water.

The mountains quaked before the Lord, the One of Sinai,
before the Lord, the God of Israel.
“In the days of Shamgar son of Anath,
in the days of Jael, caravans ceased
and travelers kept to the byways.

The peasantry prospered in Israel,
they grew fat on plunder,
because you arose, Deborah,
arose as a mother in Israel.

When new gods were chosen,
then war was in the gates.

Was shield or spear to be seen
among forty thousand in Israel?

My heart goes out to the commanders of Israel
who offered themselves willingly among the people.

Bless the Lord.

Tell of it, you who ride on white donkeys,
you who sit on rich carpets(b)
and you who walk by the way.

To the sound of musicians(c) at the watering places,
there they repeat the triumphs of the Lord,
the triumphs of his peasantry in Israel.

“Then down to the gates marched the people of the Lord.

“Awake, awake, Deborah!
Awake, awake, utter a song!

Arise, Barak, lead away your captives,
O son of Abinoam.

Then down marched the remnant of the noble;
the people of the Lord marched down for him(d) against the mighty.

From Ephraim they set out(e) into the valley,(f)
following you, Benjamin, with your kin;
from Machir marched down the commanders,
and from Zebulun those who bear the marshal’s staff;
the chiefs of Issachar came with Deborah,
and Issachar faithful to Barak;
into the valley they rushed out at his heels.

Among the clans of Reuben
there were great searchings of heart.
Why did you tarry among the sheepfolds,
to hear the piping for the flocks?

Among the clans of Reuben
there were great searchings of heart.
Gilead stayed beyond the Jordan;
and Dan, why did he abide with the ships?

Asher sat still at the coast of the sea,
settling down by his landings.

Zebulun is a people that scorned death;
Naphtali too, on the heights of the field.

“The kings came, they fought;
then fought the kings of Canaan,
at Taanach, by the waters of Megiddo;
they got no spoils of silver.

The stars fought from heaven,
from their courses they fought against Sisera.

The torrent Kishon swept them away,
the onrushing torrent, the torrent Kishon.
March on, my soul, with might!

“Then loud beat the horses’ hoofs
with the galloping, galloping of his steeds.

“Curse Meroz, says the angel of the Lord,
curse bitterly its inhabitants,
because they did not come to the help of the Lord,
to the help of the Lord against the mighty.

“Most blessed of women be Jael,
the wife of Heber the Kenite,
of tent-dwelling women most blessed.

He asked water and she gave him milk,
she brought him curds in a lordly bowl.

She put her hand to the tent peg
and her right hand to the workmen’s mallet;
she struck Sisera a blow,
she crushed his head,
she shattered and pierced his temple.

He sank, he fell,
he lay still at her feet;
at her feet he sank, he fell;
where he sank, there he fell dead.

“Out of the window she peered,
the mother of Sisera gazed(g) through the lattice:
‘Why is his chariot so long in coming?
Why tarry the hoofbeats of his chariots?’

Her wisest ladies make answer,
indeed, she answers the question herself:
‘Are they not finding and dividing the spoil?—
A girl or two for every man;
spoil of dyed stuffs for Sisera,
spoil of dyed stuffs embroidered,
two pieces of dyed work embroidered for my neck as spoil?’

“So perish all your enemies, O Lord!
But may your friends be like the sun as it rises in its might.”
a Judges 5:2 Or You who offer yourselves willingly among the people, bless
b Judges 5:10 Meaning of Heb uncertain
c Judges 5:11 Meaning of Heb uncertain
d Judges 5:13 Gk: Heb me
e Judges 5:14 Cn: Heb From Ephraim their root
f Judges 5:14 Gk: Heb in Amalek
g Judges 5:28 Gk Compare Tg: Heb exclaimed

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  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
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    Stefan Halbwachs

    @skippydumptruck @tatpeople

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
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    Who else is turned on?

  • simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    d-dang

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Oh fuck me.

    My brother is supporting Gamergate and is saying that because there is a block/reporting function, and that "this internet 'bullying' crap" is annoying when there are so many ways to deal with it.

    He's asking me to cite sources on why TotalBiscuit is wrong.


    I knew he was a big MOBA player, and that he threw around racial slurs like they were going out of style, but I wasn't expecting this...

  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Oh fuck me.

    My brother is supporting Gamergate and is saying that because there is a block/reporting function, and that "this internet 'bullying' crap" is annoying when there are so many ways to deal with it.

    He's asking me to cite sources on why TotalBiscuit is wrong.


    I knew he was a big MOBA player, and that he threw around racial slurs like they were going out of style, but I wasn't expecting this...

    Have you considered getting him replaced?

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    fuck gendered marketing
  • thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Oh fuck me.

    My brother is supporting Gamergate and is saying that because there is a block/reporting function, and that "this internet 'bullying' crap" is annoying when there are so many ways to deal with it.

    He's asking me to cite sources on why TotalBiscuit is wrong.


    I knew he was a big MOBA player, and that he threw around racial slurs like they were going out of style, but I wasn't expecting this...

    :pop:

    :bro:

  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    chu wrote:
    Do you guys take notes while programming


    Jesus H Christ. Private Chu, why is your code uncommented?

    Private Chu, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is uncommented code! You know that don't you?

    If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any spaghetti code in this world, would there?

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    hBLF65L.jpg

    Who else is turned on?

    I've never seen a snake look happy

    but I'll be damned if that snake doesn't have a "FUCK YEAH" smirk on it's scaly face

  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
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    To continue my crush from last thread.

    Julia Stiles I adore you.

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    Mobile posting .. I guess the picture is attaching. Basketball time!

    Bless your heart.
  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    your priorities are pretty warped if you think being misinformed on a topic, even if it is the internet's pet topic, is worse than throwing around racial slurs

  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    It didn't attach?!

    Bless your heart.
  • Ravenhpltc24Ravenhpltc24 So Raven Registered User regular
    edited January 2015


    hahahahaha

    Posts are hard.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
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    Do they give good head?

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    good morning, nutella sandwich. say good morning to [chat], sandwich.

    nutella: *oozes*

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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    look on the bright side

    awesome parking for life

  • rockrngerrockrnger Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    @Winky‌

    What was the name of the reincarnated warship anime?

    My friend wants to know......

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
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    Where lives?

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Athenor wrote: »
    Oh fuck me.

    My brother is supporting Gamergate and is saying that because there is a block/reporting function, and that "this internet 'bullying' crap" is annoying when there are so many ways to deal with it.

    He's asking me to cite sources on why TotalBiscuit is wrong.


    I knew he was a big MOBA player, and that he threw around racial slurs like they were going out of style, but I wasn't expecting this...

    don't even fall into this trap. remind your brother that the literal worst case scenario of corruption in "games journalism" is that someone (who apparently lives in a cave and has no friends) might end up being conned into buying a game they don't like, and whining about that is like the most first world problem ever

  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    hBLF65L.jpg

    Who else is turned on?

    I've never seen a snake look happy

    but I'll be damned if that snake doesn't have a "FUCK YEAH" smirk on it's scaly face

    Umm... They kinda both have the same facial expression.

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
  • kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    good morning, nutella sandwich. say good morning to [chat], sandwich.

    nutella: *oozes*

    It's evening.

    I made a game! Hotline Maui. Requires mouse and keyboard.
  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    redx wrote: »
    chu wrote:
    Do you guys take notes while programming


    Jesus H Christ. Private Chu, why is your code uncommented?

    Private Chu, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is uncommented code! You know that don't you?

    If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any spaghetti code in this world, would there?

    no you slob, for yourself- an aggregation of things learned, not documentation specific to a project

  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    rockrnger wrote: »
    Winky‌

    What was the name of the reincarnated warship anime?

    My friend wants to know......

    According to this SA thread, it is called Kantai Collection or "Kancolle"

  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Hee hee pagers.

    I remember those.

    Also this movie has so many great lines.

    "You don't know what you want and you won't know what you want till you are 45 and by then you will be to old to get it!"

    (A lot of them are the dad)

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    kedinik wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    good morning, nutella sandwich. say good morning to [chat], sandwich.

    nutella: *oozes*

    It's evening.

    *oozes*

    aRkpc.gif
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    ronya wrote: »
    good morning, nutella sandwich. say good morning to [chat], sandwich.

    nutella: *oozes*

    put some banana on that nutella

    also marshmallow fluff for bonus...healthiness? yes, healthiness >.>

  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Trying again. Damned fake image attachments edit: son of a bitch

    TTODewback on
    Bless your heart.
  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    Tav wrote: »
    your priorities are pretty warped if you think being misinformed on a topic, even if it is the internet's pet topic, is worse than throwing around racial slurs
    I think it was more of the "whoa, I wasn't expecting this" aspect, not that either is worse than the other in this case. That's reading a lot more into it.

    It's like when my brother casually mentioned that he was a gun nut and owns seven guns. He also owns a lot of what he calls "antique razors". I worry about him sometimes...

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  • Ravenhpltc24Ravenhpltc24 So Raven Registered User regular
    I've determined that I have enough vba code floating around in various Microsoft applications to do pretty much anything I need. It's all a matter of putting it together and making the paths right.

    #ThreeMonthsProgramming

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  • ThreelemmingsThreelemmings Registered User regular
    Marshmallow fluff is mostly air, so it must be even healthier than celery, which is mostly water.

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    the real answer is that games journalism has always been terrible I mean seriously

    fuck gendered marketing
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    GotG has such a great sound track.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    your priorities are pretty warped if you think being misinformed on a topic, even if it is the internet's pet topic, is worse than throwing around racial slurs
    I think it was more of the "whoa, I wasn't expecting this" aspect, not that either is worse than the other in this case. That's reading a lot more into it.

    It's like when my brother casually mentioned that he was a gun nut and owns seven guns. He also owns a lot of what he calls "antique razors". I worry about him sometimes...

    I've told him not to use homophobic language in front of me before.

    The problem is that I have unfortunately stepped in this... It's not TotalBiscuit himself, but his followers and fans that are the main problem.

  • BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    Hello [chat]s
    Marshmallow fluff is mostly air, so it must be even healthier than celery, which is mostly water.

    *nods sagely*

  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    redx wrote: »
    chu wrote:
    Do you guys take notes while programming


    Jesus H Christ. Private Chu, why is your code uncommented?

    Private Chu, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is uncommented code! You know that don't you?

    If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any spaghetti code in this world, would there?

    no you slob, for yourself- an aggregation of things learned, not documentation specific to a project

    Not really.

    But I tend to reuse code or look stuff up a lot.

    But mostly just script and kludge, and end up doing a lot of small things in too many different languages to remember syntax and object members and namespaces.

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    gamergating, like many forms of newfound political activisms, is prone towards fits of evangelical fervour

    the trap is presenting yourself as a target

    feign disinterest. or better yet, be disinterested in engaging in debate

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    If I wrote that scene, it would be:

    Man watches screen showing crash.

    "If I don't survive, tell my wife AUGHHHH!"

    Man clutches chest, dies of heartattack.

    Cut to other man telling first man's wife "he wanted me to tell you AUGHHHH!"

    Second man clutches chest, dies of heartattack.

    Switch: SW-7690-2320-9238Steam/PSN/Xbox: Drezdar
  • simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    rockrnger wrote: »
    Winky‌

    What was the name of the reincarnated warship anime?

    My friend wants to know......

    According to this SA thread, it is called Kantai Collection or "Kancolle"

    Kancolle didn't start as an anime (I wasn't even aware there was one), but as an online game featuring anthropomorphic WW2-era battleships who are also girls

    For the same reasons that Touhou became huge, Kancolle is massive in terms of fans and fan-products - there's also a Kancolle TRPG, which I nearly bought when I was last there just to see how a game like that could actually be made for it

    It's one of the few things to have its own dedicated "genre" section at Comiket, for instance

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