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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    So, short version: Pitt has had a terrible few years, so their top players are decamping to other teams where they might be able to perform better (or at least more publicly) for NBA scouts. Most of them are undergrads, so the NCAA requires them to sit for a year. But Johnson graduated (summa cum laude, even), so the NCAA rules say he can freely transfer. The problem is that he wants to head to UNC, which is also in the same conference, and thus would be a problem for a rebuilding Pitt team. At the same time, they know outright denying the transfer is going to look horrible for them. So, they tried to split the difference, and create a school rule that he can transfer to UNC for grad school, but would have to take a year off. Needless to say, this is grade A gooseshit, and Johnson is calling them out on it. Of course, the real issue is that, having graduated, Pitt should have no claim on him whatsoever, but does because of the NCAA's rules.

    It sounds like in this case there may actually be a loophole in the NCAA rules that favors him though from your quote.

    Not so much a loophole, but that NCAA regs say that the school can either allow or disallow the transfer in its entirety, so the half a baby solution Pitt came up with is against regulations. Of course, this ignores the point that why the hell should Pitt have any say in where someone who graduated goes?

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    So, short version: Pitt has had a terrible few years, so their top players are decamping to other teams where they might be able to perform better (or at least more publicly) for NBA scouts. Most of them are undergrads, so the NCAA requires them to sit for a year. But Johnson graduated (summa cum laude, even), so the NCAA rules say he can freely transfer. The problem is that he wants to head to UNC, which is also in the same conference, and thus would be a problem for a rebuilding Pitt team. At the same time, they know outright denying the transfer is going to look horrible for them. So, they tried to split the difference, and create a school rule that he can transfer to UNC for grad school, but would have to take a year off. Needless to say, this is grade A gooseshit, and Johnson is calling them out on it. Of course, the real issue is that, having graduated, Pitt should have no claim on him whatsoever, but does because of the NCAA's rules.

    It sounds like in this case there may actually be a loophole in the NCAA rules that favors him though from your quote.

    Not so much a loophole, but that NCAA regs say that the school can either allow or disallow the transfer in its entirety, so the half a baby solution Pitt came up with is against regulations. Of course, this ignores the point that why the hell should Pitt have any say in where someone who graduated goes?

    Of course the school has to have say in where they go. Those players are slaves student-athletes so its the school's right to guide them.

    God, college sports is screwed up.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Ole Miss is is pushing back against the NCAA:
    Ole Miss’ athletics program has been under NCAA scrutiny since 2012, when an investigation into its women’s basketball team spiraled and eventually put the football and track & field teams in hot water. In April 2016, the NCAA issued a Notice of Allegations of 13 supposed football violations relating to academic fraud, booster problems, and illegal recruiting tactics. The NCAA alleged eight more infractions in a Feb. 2017 NOA, and 15 of the 21 violations were Level 1, the highest level. Several of the alleged transgressions occurred under previous Ole Miss coach Houston Nutt’s watch, but most of the alleged violations occurred during current coach Hugh Freeze’s regime.

    When the NCAA issued its second NOA, they upgraded the prior failure to monitor charge regarding Freeze’s control over the program to a Level 1 lack of institutional control charge, and also charged Freeze with violating his head coach responsibility legislation. Shortly after the second NOA surfaced, Ole Miss self-imposed a one-year postseason ban for the 2017-18 season, although the investigation remained open with further penalties possible. Freeze has beaten Alabama twice and helmed Ole Miss to two New Year’s Six bowl games, but it seemed that Ole Miss might need to shed Freeze in order to move on from the extensive scandal.

    Ole Miss responded to the allegations this afternoon in a lengthy letter (which you can read in full below), and while they acknowledged many of the violations, they also disputed the most serious among them, including the lack of institutional control charge. They claimed that Freeze was aggressive about compliance and that no compliance system could have caught those who the university seeks to portray as rogue actors. This defiant rebuke looks like a sure sign that Ole Miss will stick with Freeze and try to ride out the investigation.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Today in Fuck the Motherfucking NCAA, the NCAA threatens a kicker over his YouTube channel:
    The NCAA reportedly nixed the YouTube channel of UCF’s kickoff specialist, Donald De La Haye, after discovering that some of De La Haye’s videos contained content of him displaying his day-to-day life as a UCF athlete.

    De La Haye’s channel has published 41 videos over the past year, piling up 54,000 subscribers and two million views in that time. His videos are nearly all related to his athletic career, though only a few directly address his status as UCF’s kicker; others are simply videos showing off his daily kicking regime and ability to boot a flatscreen TV from a ledge. As De La Haye stated in his latest video, entitled “Quit College Sports Or Quit YouTube,” because he was profiting from ads placed on his videos and channel homepage, the NCAA determined that he was profiting off his own likeness—the nerve!—and put its foot down.

    His video announcing the NCAA’s decision to intervene and kill any future videos in which they do not directly reap the profit of his labor was released on Saturday. In it, De La Haye lamented his upcoming decision—“I feel like they’re making me pick between my passion and what I love to do”—saying that a recent meeting with UCF compliance officials revealed that “people upstairs” were upset with his channel. He said they told him he was “violating NCAA rules” for crafting videos that “make it obvious that I’m a student-athlete.”
    “It’s really tough. I’m not doing anything wrong. I’m not making money illegally. I’m not selling dope. I’m not kidnapping people or robbing people. I’m not selling my autographs for money. I’m not sitting here getting Nike checks and Nike deals and all these sponsorships. I’m literally filming stuff. I’m sitting here, editing things on my computer for hours and developing my own brand. I put in the work, and I’m not allowed to get any benefits from the work.”

    [...]

    “Basically, I’m not allowed to make any money off my YouTube videos. I’m working hard, basically like a job, filming, editing, coming up with ideas, doing things of that sort. And I’m not allowed to make any money. If I do, bad things happen.”
    De La Haye intimated in his 10-minute video that he had been using some of the money made from his channel to help his family at home—he hails from Costa Rica—saying they have, “tons of bills piling up and there’s no way for me to help. I thought I found a way.” He did not make clear what stipulations the UCF compliance officials or NCAA set forth for his channel.

    The NCAA needs to go die. Preferably in a fire.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
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    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The NCAA is another one, for the record.

    No, the NCAA is run by shitlord assholes. It could be decent, if the people in charge weren't awful. I'm talking about industries that systemically are unable to be good.

    Nah, the NCAA's entire reason to exist is to promote the "amateurism" fraud. The awfulness is built into the purpose of the organization. It is, on top of that, run by shitlord assholes.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The NCAA is another one, for the record.

    No, the NCAA is run by shitlord assholes. It could be decent, if the people in charge weren't awful. I'm talking about industries that systemically are unable to be good.

    Nah, the NCAA's entire reason to exist is to promote the "amateurism" fraud. The awfulness is built into the purpose of the organization. It is, on top of that, run by shitlord assholes.

    My point is more you can have a college sports league that feeds into professional sports that isn't complete crap. The NCAA isn't it, obviously, but conceptually there is a possibility. I am in no way endorsing anything the NCAA actually does.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The NCAA is another one, for the record.

    No, the NCAA is run by shitlord assholes. It could be decent, if the people in charge weren't awful. I'm talking about industries that systemically are unable to be good.

    Nah, the NCAA's entire reason to exist is to promote the "amateurism" fraud. The awfulness is built into the purpose of the organization. It is, on top of that, run by shitlord assholes.

    My point is more you can have a college sports league that feeds into professional sports that isn't complete crap. The NCAA isn't it, obviously, but conceptually there is a possibility. I am in no way endorsing anything the NCAA actually does.

    Oh sure. But the schools like having excuses to exploit students for profit.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The NCAA is another one, for the record.

    No, the NCAA is run by shitlord assholes. It could be decent, if the people in charge weren't awful. I'm talking about industries that systemically are unable to be good.

    Nah, the NCAA's entire reason to exist is to promote the "amateurism" fraud. The awfulness is built into the purpose of the organization. It is, on top of that, run by shitlord assholes.

    My point is more you can have a college sports league that feeds into professional sports that isn't complete crap. The NCAA isn't it, obviously, but conceptually there is a possibility. I am in no way endorsing anything the NCAA actually does.

    Well, yeah. You don't generate massive revenues off of TV contracts. Drastically cut the actual money in the system and it starts making some sense, which is why it's rarely argued that D3 or the NAIA is horribly exploitive. Or even D1 curling or whatever.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The NCAA is another one, for the record.

    No, the NCAA is run by shitlord assholes. It could be decent, if the people in charge weren't awful. I'm talking about industries that systemically are unable to be good.

    Nah, the NCAA's entire reason to exist is to promote the "amateurism" fraud. The awfulness is built into the purpose of the organization. It is, on top of that, run by shitlord assholes.

    My point is more you can have a college sports league that feeds into professional sports that isn't complete crap. The NCAA isn't it, obviously, but conceptually there is a possibility. I am in no way endorsing anything the NCAA actually does.

    Well, yeah. You don't generate massive revenues off of TV contracts. Drastically cut the actual money in the system and it starts making some sense, which is why it's rarely argued that D3 or the NAIA is horribly exploitive. Or even D1 curling or whatever.

    D3 is even more horribly exploitative because the NCAA does not allow athletic scholarships at that level, but still has all the other restrictions. (The schools do find ways around that, though.) And you're not getting rid of the money - that ship's long since sailed.

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    lazegamerlazegamer The magnanimous cyberspaceRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The NCAA is another one, for the record.

    No, the NCAA is run by shitlord assholes. It could be decent, if the people in charge weren't awful. I'm talking about industries that systemically are unable to be good.

    Nah, the NCAA's entire reason to exist is to promote the "amateurism" fraud. The awfulness is built into the purpose of the organization. It is, on top of that, run by shitlord assholes.

    My point is more you can have a college sports league that feeds into professional sports that isn't complete crap. The NCAA isn't it, obviously, but conceptually there is a possibility. I am in no way endorsing anything the NCAA actually does.

    I don't see a way that doesn't involve college sports becoming professional. Scholarships as reward for the amount of revenue that entertainers provide at the upper levels of competition is never going to fairly compensate them.

    We need to nuke the whole system from orbit. Let the power 5 conferences invest in ownership in a professional developmental league if they think it will help their endowment grow. There's no reason the players need to enroll in that or any university. Everyone else can fund their intramural teams if they want, but students shouldn't be forced to use loan money to subsidize stadiums and athletic scholarships in order to get a decent education.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Well yes, obviously it would involve compensation.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Well there is an argument for college sports. People who have the dedication to be competent athletes could apply that dedication to other aspects of their life. And so giving them them opportunity to do so has value.

    But this precludes any financial or even really significant sports program as a function as that would prevent more traditionally academic endeavors from the benefitting athletes

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Ole Miss is is pushing back against the NCAA:
    Ole Miss’ athletics program has been under NCAA scrutiny since 2012, when an investigation into its women’s basketball team spiraled and eventually put the football and track & field teams in hot water. In April 2016, the NCAA issued a Notice of Allegations of 13 supposed football violations relating to academic fraud, booster problems, and illegal recruiting tactics. The NCAA alleged eight more infractions in a Feb. 2017 NOA, and 15 of the 21 violations were Level 1, the highest level. Several of the alleged transgressions occurred under previous Ole Miss coach Houston Nutt’s watch, but most of the alleged violations occurred during current coach Hugh Freeze’s regime.

    When the NCAA issued its second NOA, they upgraded the prior failure to monitor charge regarding Freeze’s control over the program to a Level 1 lack of institutional control charge, and also charged Freeze with violating his head coach responsibility legislation. Shortly after the second NOA surfaced, Ole Miss self-imposed a one-year postseason ban for the 2017-18 season, although the investigation remained open with further penalties possible. Freeze has beaten Alabama twice and helmed Ole Miss to two New Year’s Six bowl games, but it seemed that Ole Miss might need to shed Freeze in order to move on from the extensive scandal.

    Ole Miss responded to the allegations this afternoon in a lengthy letter (which you can read in full below), and while they acknowledged many of the violations, they also disputed the most serious among them, including the lack of institutional control charge. They claimed that Freeze was aggressive about compliance and that no compliance system could have caught those who the university seeks to portray as rogue actors. This defiant rebuke looks like a sure sign that Ole Miss will stick with Freeze and try to ride out the investigation.

    And we have a follow-up here - Nutt is suing Ole Miss over this:
    Former Ole Miss head coach Houston Nutt filed a lawsuit against the school Wednesday, claiming it broke the terms of his 2011 severance agreement when football officials attempted to pin the majority of the Rebels’ recent NCAA violations on the 59-year-old CBS analyst.

    In the lawsuit, which can be viewed in full at the bottom of this post, Nutt’s legal team alleges that current Ole Miss head coach Hugh Freeze, athletic director Ross Bjork, and sports information director Kyle Campbell purposefully spread misinformation to a slew of journalists as off-the-record sources from 2014-2017. The campaign was a reaction to an NCAA investigation that found 15 Level I violations, including a lack of institutional control charge for Freeze.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Today in Fuck the Motherfucking NCAA, the NCAA threatens a kicker over his YouTube channel:
    The NCAA reportedly nixed the YouTube channel of UCF’s kickoff specialist, Donald De La Haye, after discovering that some of De La Haye’s videos contained content of him displaying his day-to-day life as a UCF athlete.

    De La Haye’s channel has published 41 videos over the past year, piling up 54,000 subscribers and two million views in that time. His videos are nearly all related to his athletic career, though only a few directly address his status as UCF’s kicker; others are simply videos showing off his daily kicking regime and ability to boot a flatscreen TV from a ledge. As De La Haye stated in his latest video, entitled “Quit College Sports Or Quit YouTube,” because he was profiting from ads placed on his videos and channel homepage, the NCAA determined that he was profiting off his own likeness—the nerve!—and put its foot down.

    His video announcing the NCAA’s decision to intervene and kill any future videos in which they do not directly reap the profit of his labor was released on Saturday. In it, De La Haye lamented his upcoming decision—“I feel like they’re making me pick between my passion and what I love to do”—saying that a recent meeting with UCF compliance officials revealed that “people upstairs” were upset with his channel. He said they told him he was “violating NCAA rules” for crafting videos that “make it obvious that I’m a student-athlete.”
    “It’s really tough. I’m not doing anything wrong. I’m not making money illegally. I’m not selling dope. I’m not kidnapping people or robbing people. I’m not selling my autographs for money. I’m not sitting here getting Nike checks and Nike deals and all these sponsorships. I’m literally filming stuff. I’m sitting here, editing things on my computer for hours and developing my own brand. I put in the work, and I’m not allowed to get any benefits from the work.”

    [...]

    “Basically, I’m not allowed to make any money off my YouTube videos. I’m working hard, basically like a job, filming, editing, coming up with ideas, doing things of that sort. And I’m not allowed to make any money. If I do, bad things happen.”
    De La Haye intimated in his 10-minute video that he had been using some of the money made from his channel to help his family at home—he hails from Costa Rica—saying they have, “tons of bills piling up and there’s no way for me to help. I thought I found a way.” He did not make clear what stipulations the UCF compliance officials or NCAA set forth for his channel.

    The NCAA needs to go die. Preferably in a fire.

    And in followup, the NCAA has ruled said kicker ineligible:
    After trying to fight for his right to vlog behind closed doors, UCF kicker Donald De La Haye took his clash with the NCAA public in June, blasting the governing body of college athletics for threatening to revoke his eligibility if he continued to create and post sports videos to his personal YouTube page. Today, the NCAA made good on its promise.

    De La Haye has been ruled ineligible for the upcoming college football season, according to the NCAA. De La Haye had an opportunity to make a deal with the NCAA that would limit his creative output, but he declined it. De La Haye did not respond to our request for comment, instead tweeting that he’s “mind blown” and passing along the following message:


    Now and forever, fuck the motherfucking NCAA.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And in Today In Sexual Harassment In College Athletics, Auburn softball:
    A Title IX complaint and a subsequent letter from a former player describe Auburn’s softball program under recently retired head coach Clint Myers as one where players were subjected to a pattern of inappropriate, sexualized attention by the coach’s son, according to an ESPNW report.

    Myers retired Wednesday, making no mention of the complaint and ongoing investigation, but now it appears that a Title IX sexual discrimination complaint was formally filed against the school earlier this summer, alleging that Corey Myers, the head coach’s son and an assistant coach with the team, had “relations and [pursued] relations with multiple members of the team,” and that, when confronted by his players, Clint Myers and another school official threatened the players who spoke out:
    Greenberg’s letter alleges that on March 30, 2017, “several players approached Head Coach Myers with proof in the form of text messages from a student-athlete’s cell phone that Coach Corey was having an inappropriate relationship with one of the student-athletes.”

    According to the letter and several players, the team was then “quarantined” for several hours prior to a trip to Georgia. Five players told ESPN that, at that meeting, Auburn executive associate athletic director Meredith Jenkins told the players they were risking arrest for taking the text messages from their teammate’s phone and ordered them to delete the messages.
    The Title IX complaint was reportedly filed on May 31 by Alexa Nemeth, a player on Auburn’s softball team last season, four days after the end of Auburn’s softball season. It appears that Corey Myers, in particular, made players on the teem deeply uncomfortable: in addition to the “inappropriate relationship” depicted in text messages, he apparently subjected players on the team to overt commentary on their looks—in one case rating a player’s looks in a team photo via text message—and was part of an environment where players’ looks were “how it was determined if you were liked or not.” Corey Myers’s inappropriate behavior allegedly crossed over to the physical:
    Fagan said she had been troubled by Corey Myers’ behavior since her first year on the team, when, after a ground ball fielding drill, “he smacked me on the butt. I looked at him and he said, ‘What?’ and I said, ‘Don’t do that.’”

    This is just so depressing with how common it's become.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    At this point, much like videos of police brutality, I suspect it's not "become" common, it always was - just the Internet and smartphones now allow for documentation and spreading of information in a way that they weren't before.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    At this point, much like videos of police brutality, I suspect it's not "become" common, it always was - just the Internet and smartphones now allow for documentation and spreading of information in a way that they weren't before.

    Also we are inching our way to being outraged by this sort of behavior as a society.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    At this point, much like videos of police brutality, I suspect it's not "become" common, it always was - just the Internet and smartphones now allow for documentation and spreading of information in a way that they weren't before.

    Also we are inching our way to being outraged by this sort of behavior as a society.

    The recording or the shooting/harassing?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    The harassing

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    There is ambiguity there. Just sayin'.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Former Notre Dame player Douglas Randolph says school hid withheld MRI results from him, resulting in chronic pain and injuries after he continued to play. Suing Notre Dame, coach Brian Kelly, trainer Rob Hunt, and several doctors.

    http://deadspin.com/ex-notre-dame-football-player-says-school-hid-mri-resul-1802140407

    Fuck Notre Dame

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Former Notre Dame player Douglas Randolph says school hid withheld MRI results from him, resulting in chronic pain and injuries after he continued to play. Suing Notre Dame, coach Brian Kelly, trainer Rob Hunt, and several doctors.

    http://deadspin.com/ex-notre-dame-football-player-says-school-hid-mri-resul-1802140407

    Fuck Notre Dame

    Well, this is a coach who has killed a student by sending them into a basket lift to film the team practice when it was materially unsafe to do so, resulting in the lift unsurprisingly collapsing with the student in it; and overseeing the program when it hounded a rape victim to suicide. So this isn't exactly a surprise.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Fuck the Motherfucking NCAA, Hurricane Relief Interference Edition:
    In the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Harvey, University of Houston head coach Kelvin Sampson used social media to solicit donations from coaching colleagues to be distributed to families affected by the devastation in Houston. Specifically, what he wanted was clothing—new t-shirts and shoes, something athletic programs around the country might have in surplus—that volunteers on his end could steer around town to those in need. It sounds like the drive was successful, attracting donations from schools and private citizens alike:



    As with certain other amateur relief drives, this one is obviously imperfect—several charities working in Houston apparently don’t have much need for Sampson’s haul—but this is still a stockpile of goods ready to be freely distributed in an area of the world where people are gonna need to get their hands on things to replace all the things they lost. Whether the Red Cross wants the shoes or not, eventually they are bound to find their way to the feet of people who do. Except, wait, what’s that stench?
    NCAA rules, though, stand between donations and kids in need.

    “They don’t want us sending all this nice gear to the top recruit in Houston,” said Lauren Dubois, senior associate athletics director for UH. “But, obviously that is not our intention at all.”

    Dubois said the program risks punishment if they give anything to potential recruits, their parents or youth leagues.
    This is from a disheartening KHOU report that describes “nearly 15,000 donations” from individuals and programs around the country as “nearly untouched” as they sit in storage while the athletic department figures out how to distribute their haul while ensuring that literally none of it goes to kids who are especially good at sports.

    Do they work at being villains, or does it come naturally?

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Fuck the Motherfucking NCAA, Hurricane Relief Interference Edition:


    Do they work at being villains, or does it come naturally?

    I'm sure it's both.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    Athlete develops water bottle with buddy in high school, and begins selling it, using YouTube to advertise. Then said athlete goes to college.

    I think you all know where this is going:

    https://youtu.be/CDoU9VJ10Gg

    Yup, the NCAA is fucking with his eligibility for having the temerity to own a business.

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    I'm hearing some basketball coaches have been arrested by the FBI on corruption charges?

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    I'm hearing some basketball coaches have been arrested by the FBI on corruption charges?

    ESPN says four assistant coaches were among 10 people arrested.
    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    I'm hearing some basketball coaches have been arrested by the FBI on corruption charges?

    ESPN says four assistant coaches were among 10 people arrested.
    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

    Oh, this is worth pointing out:
    Since 2015, the FBI has been investigating the criminal influence of money on coaches and student-athletes who participate in intercollegiate basketball governed by the NCAA, federal authorities said.

    They said the probe has revealed numerous instances in which bribes were paid by athlete advisers, including financial advisers and associate basketball coaches, to assistant and associate basketball coaches to exert influence over student-athletes so the athletes would retain the services of those paying the bribes.

    In criminal complaints, investigators said basketball coaches have the ability to provide access to the student-athletes to sports agents, financial advisers, business managers and others.

    "Moreover, many such coaches have enormous influence over the student-athletes who play for them, in particular with respect to guiding those student-athletes through the process of selecting agents and other advisers when they prepare to leave college and enter the NBA," the complaints said.

    "The investigation has revealed several instances in which coaches have exercised that influence by steering players and their families to retain particular advisers, not because of the merits of those advisers, but because the coaches were being bribed by the advisers to do so," the papers said.

    It's like the NCAA's policy of not allowing players to retain agents (which, let me remind you, was found to be illegal in a court of law) leaves these individuals vulnerable to predators. Wait, not like - that's EXACTLY what fucking happened here.

    Fuck the Motherfucking NCAA.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Deadspin has more detail:
    Several universities are referenced in the charges, but none are explicitly named though. The art of deduction allows for some easy connections, though, as the reports name the locations and enrollment sizes of the schools. The FBI claims that Gatto paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars to the families of elite recruits to steer them toward Adidas schools, including Louisville, which is referenced as “Uni 6" in the documents as well. Several Louisville writers have deduced that the referenced transgression was a payment to five-star forward Brian Bowen, who, according to the document, flipped his commitment to Louisville after receiving a $100,000 payment set up by Gatto.

    Evans, Richardson, and Bland allegedly took money from Dawkins and Sood in exchange for pushing their players to use Dawkins’s former agency (he was fired for racking up $42,000 in Uber bills on a player’s credit card) and Sood’s financial advisor services. The group was charged with conspiracy to commit bribery, solicitation of bribes and gratuities by an agent of a federally funded organization (Evans, Richardson, and Bland only), payments of bribes and gratuities to an agent of a federally funded organization (Dawkins and Sood), conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, honest services wire fraud (“Uni 2" and “Uni 3"), honest services wire fraud (“Uni 4"), honest services wire fraud (“Uni 5"), wire fraud conspiracy, and travel act conspiracy.

    Person and Michel, who was arrested for trying to beat up Dominique Wilkins over some suits in 2011, are being brought up on six counts: Bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services wire fraud, honest services wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, travel act conspiracy. Gatto, Code, Dawkins, Augustine, and Sood were charged with wire fraud conspiracy, two counts of wire fraud, and money laundering conspiracy.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    $100k is pretty significant.

    The problem isn't the money.

    The problem is that the NCAA prevents this from being done all above board.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    $100k is pretty significant.

    The problem isn't the money.

    The problem is that the NCAA prevents this from being done all above board.

    I don't disagree, but it being something that SHOULD be allowed doesn't mean that it's not insignificant when a school does it while other schools are following a different set of rules, especially when the school in question is on probation. And even aside from that, 100k is a lot. This isn't paying for tattoos.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    $100k is pretty significant.

    The problem isn't the money.

    The problem is that the NCAA prevents this from being done all above board.

    I don't disagree, but it being something that SHOULD be allowed doesn't mean that it's not insignificant when a school does it while other schools are following a different set of rules, especially when the school in question is on probation. And even aside from that, 100k is a lot. This isn't paying for tattoos.

    The point is that going after the schools doesn't actually resolve the problem, because the problem is that the NCAA prevents these players from doing all this above board. The reason this happens is because these players are in demand, and they know it. You want to stop these under the table payments from happening? Make it all above the board.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Right, but also Louisville should get the death penalty.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Right, but also Louisville should get the death penalty.

    The whole college athletics industry should be nuked from orbit.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Right, but also Louisville should get the death penalty.

    The whole college athletics industry should be nuked from orbit.

    Eh, the revenue parts maybe.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    FBI also raided a top agent today:
    The FBI on Tuesday raided the offices of prominent NBA agent Andy Miller and seized his computer, a source said.
    Miller did not immediately respond to a text message seeking comment.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And the heads have begun to roll in Louisville, with the AD the first to go. There's a press conference scheduled for 1 PM - expect Pitino to get his walking papers then.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Apparently, the AD was given a choice - fire Pitino or lose his job.

    He chose...poorly.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Looks like Pitino is out;

    The Kansas City Star is a newspaper.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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