Or you can always do the solo lobby exploit to get a safe sale, though you miss out on the populated server bonus.
I personally swear by chumash, because the ocean highway is a lot easier to drive than the mountain ones
There's no real reason to do a solo lobby sale for single vehicle bunker sales. Like I said, I have pretty much a 100% success rate when using Ghost Organization to hide my blip on the radar. When in a big lobby, the high demand bonus makes enough extra cash to bankroll the cost of Ghost Org with extra leftover.
I also got the ce expansion after like 3 years of a break. Got the office and armored car and saving up for a crate warehouse. I, too, am interested in the heists. Mostly because I love heist genres (I still play Payday 2) and they're the reason I got into the game in the first place, but I just lost interest before they were released.
I'm not interested in grinding money in them or hard difficulties, I just want to heist and learn the ropes. If anybody wants to hold my hand through a few on Xbox, I'm a quick learner (in fact the earlier more "traditional" heists interest me the most.)
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I strongly urge you to consider abandoning the plans to get the crate warehouse and to just pinch the pennies for a submarine. Crate farming is both far grindier and less lucrative than just running the perico heist solo. Again, the Cayo Perico heist can be done completely solo so you are free to deviate from meta strategies and just run the heist however you please and at your own pace. But when you do seriously grind the perico heist for cash, it can pull it in easily at a rate in the ballpark of 1.5 million per hour. I cannot stress enough how much that blows basically everything else out of the water and how quickly the sub will pay for itself.
If you haven't already, look up the scavenger hunt events associated with the Navy Revolver, Double Action Revolver, and Stone Hatchet. By just using the Frogger helicopter that came with the CE pack, you can clear those up really fast and net yourself several hundred thousand dollars in addition to those weapons. The stone hatchet situationally makes some missions a breeze.
The Cayo Perico heist, if it still offers around a mill between two people, is probably a better earner than any job. The import/export I think used to be the big earner, and it was ok but the effort was obviously annoying. The Cayo Perico heist you're at least doing a heist, instead of repeating the same few car heist missions while looking for an empty server because you aren't completing that shit in a full one.
I disagree about needing to find an empty server for I/E work. Strongly so. You can't lock on to I/E cars, so the griefer kiddies on their mk2s generally think that you're hacking and go off to cry in a corner since their "I win" button isn't working.
But yeah, the cayo perico heist blows I/E work out of the water. Especially since the perico heist can be done solo. Previously I/E's claim to fame was that it was the most profitable pure solo source of income. The Casino heist was 99% solo with 1% dealing with randoms for the heist itself.
Attached is a quick spreadsheet that I drew up comparing running the heist solo, or running it as a duo with you and the partner both taking gold from the compound. If you don't break stealth and succeed in achieving the elite challenge, which would be pretty trivial for a duo even if they took their sweet time safely meleeing every guard in the compound, you would also each gain an additional 100k on top of these values.
Even with the host giving the client the absolute minimum 15% take, the client can expect to make ~400k from ~10-15 minutes work if they're taking the heist really slow. More like 7 or less range if the people know what they're doing.
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You'll make slightly less than those numbers since I didn't account for Pavel's cut or the fencing fees. I'm also not accounting for the random sum of money in Rubio's safe. However it still gives you a ball park picture of what to expect. It's REALLY LUCRATIVE.
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Also, the highest payout that I ever achieved from the heist so far. It takes about 45 minutes to an hour to do the prepwork for the heist.
See they don't need to target your car. I had one guy plant bombs at my garage before I even arrived and blow me up. He clearly guessed which garage I was going to, and I could see him on the map but he wasn't close enough to do anything. Of course he had pre-planned and didn't need to be next to me to screw me as my car blew up seconds from entering the garage.
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DeadfallI don't think you realize just how rich he is.In fact, I should put on a monocle.Registered Userregular
I also got the ce expansion after like 3 years of a break. Got the office and armored car and saving up for a crate warehouse. I, too, am interested in the heists. Mostly because I love heist genres (I still play Payday 2) and they're the reason I got into the game in the first place, but I just lost interest before they were released.
I'm not interested in grinding money in them or hard difficulties, I just want to heist and learn the ropes. If anybody wants to hold my hand through a few on Xbox, I'm a quick learner (in fact the earlier more "traditional" heists interest me the most.)
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I strongly urge you to consider abandoning the plans to get the crate warehouse and to just pinch the pennies for a submarine. Crate farming is both far grindier and less lucrative than just running the perico heist solo. Again, the Cayo Perico heist can be done completely solo so you are free to deviate from meta strategies and just run the heist however you please and at your own pace. But when you do seriously grind the perico heist for cash, it can pull it in easily at a rate in the ballpark of 1.5 million per hour. I cannot stress enough how much that blows basically everything else out of the water and how quickly the sub will pay for itself.
If you haven't already, look up the scavenger hunt events associated with the Navy Revolver, Double Action Revolver, and Stone Hatchet. By just using the Frogger helicopter that came with the CE pack, you can clear those up really fast and net yourself several hundred thousand dollars in addition to those weapons. The stone hatchet situationally makes some missions a breeze.
Good to know. Got no problem in grinding, as my thousands upon thousands of hours in Borderlands 2 and 3 can attest. But I do like heists. Mostly interested in building a criminal empire for funsies and robbing some banks and casinos. Does the CEO VIP job wave method thing still work to grind out money and line up the timers?
Or you can always do the solo lobby exploit to get a safe sale, though you miss out on the populated server bonus.
I personally swear by chumash, because the ocean highway is a lot easier to drive than the mountain ones
There's no real reason to do a solo lobby sale for single vehicle bunker sales. Like I said, I have pretty much a 100% success rate when using Ghost Organization to hide my blip on the radar. When in a big lobby, the high demand bonus makes enough extra cash to bankroll the cost of Ghost Org with extra leftover.
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Not worth the risk imo, you don't make that much more money. Playing solo lobbies is the only way to play this game because the hackers and griefers are out of control, unless you like turning into a basketball and the weather flipping back and forth between snow and raining and regular so fast it'll give you a seizure.
For newer folk, the best ways to get money are to get a bunker (Chumash rules), get it upgraded, then sell that every time the supplies run out. To get a bunker, maybe start with the vehicle warehouse/office stuff.
Then, once you can get a nightclub and enough buisnesses to run it, that'll make tons of money.
Or, just get the submarine and the helicopter in the submarine and do the cayo perico heist because good god it makes a lot of money but a 4 million dollar investment is quite a bit.
I have something like a 1% failure rate when it comes to selling IE cars in public lobbies. You don't need to hide in a solo lobby for them. Getting I/E sales griefed is vastly blow out of proportion. You save tons of time not having to deal with the waves of NPCs that come after you when solo.
And no, the best way to get money is not to get the bunker or office stuff. The best way to get money now is hands down, unquestionably to beeline the submarine. Then invest into the passive businesses like the bunker and nightclub after the submarine is online.
Hit the ground with a fresh account, do the scavenger hunt stuff for some seed money, grind some VIP work and join perico/casino heists as a client, and then buy the sub. Then run the perico heist twice to afford the sparrow. Then the sky is the limit.
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maybe hit the time trial par time each week for an extra 100k. That's some extra low hanging fruit that can knocked out quick if you have a quick ride to help scrape up the cash for the sub. The bati motorcycle is dirt cheap and can clear some of those par times.
The CEO stuff has just been straight up obsoleted. The sub is just that much of a game changer and I honestly expect R* to do something to nerf it. Nothing else even holds a candle to it.
I have something like a 1% failure rate when it comes to selling IE cars in public lobbies. You don't need to hide in a solo lobby for them. Getting I/E sales griefed is vastly blow out of proportion. You save tons of time not having to deal with the waves of NPCs that come after you when solo.
And no, the best way to get money is not to get the bunker or office stuff. The best way to get money now is hands down, unquestionably to beeline the submarine. Then invest into the passive businesses like the bunker and nightclub after the submarine is online.
Hit the ground with a fresh account, do the scavenger hunt stuff for some seed money, grind some VIP work and join perico/casino heists as a client, and then buy the sub. Then run the perico heist twice to afford the sparrow. Then the sky is the limit.
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maybe hit the time trial par time each week for an extra 100k. That's some extra low hanging fruit that can knocked out quick if you have a quick ride. The bati motorcycle is dirt cheap and can clear some of those par times.
The bolded is literally what SniperGuy said. The last sentence of their post:
"Or, just get the submarine and the helicopter in the submarine and do the cayo perico heist because good god it makes a lot of money but a 4 million dollar investment is quite a bit."
I'm curious about something, though: how effective would the sub/helicopter/CP heist be for a new player? I never got the CE pack, so I'm not familiar with what that grants. Do you still start at level 1 and have fuckall for guns/armor options? Because I'd imagine trying to run a heist with nothing more than a bog standard pistol is going to be kinda rough.
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I have something like a 1% failure rate when it comes to selling IE cars in public lobbies. You don't need to hide in a solo lobby for them. Getting I/E sales griefed is vastly blow out of proportion. You save tons of time not having to deal with the waves of NPCs that come after you when solo.
And no, the best way to get money is not to get the bunker or office stuff. The best way to get money now is hands down, unquestionably to beeline the submarine. Then invest into the passive businesses like the bunker and nightclub after the submarine is online.
Hit the ground with a fresh account, do the scavenger hunt stuff for some seed money, grind some VIP work and join perico/casino heists as a client, and then buy the sub. Then run the perico heist twice to afford the sparrow. Then the sky is the limit.
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maybe hit the time trial par time each week for an extra 100k. That's some extra low hanging fruit that can knocked out quick if you have a quick ride. The bati motorcycle is dirt cheap and can clear some of those par times.
The bolded is literally what SniperGuy said. The last sentence of their post:
"Or, just get the submarine and the helicopter in the submarine and do the cayo perico heist because good god it makes a lot of money but a 4 million dollar investment is quite a bit."
I'm curious about something, though: how effective would the sub/helicopter/CP heist be for a new player? I never got the CE pack, so I'm not familiar with what that grants. Do you still start at level 1 and have fuckall for guns/armor options? Because I'd imagine trying to run a heist with nothing more than a bog standard pistol is going to be kinda rough.
Cayo Perico actually makes you go get a weapon loadout to run it, so it doesn't matter what guns you have as a new player (which is a little weird for me who has a ton of guns but whatever)
And yeah, Cayo Perico is the best way to make money, but getting the funds to be able to do it can take a bit.
If I was a fresh account with an office and a little money, I'd probably do the vehicle warehouse to grind up the money for the sub, because those missions are entertaining whereas grinding headhunter is super boring in my experience. I've also had like no luck joining randos in heists, so there's that. Oh and yeah the stone hatchet and those other scavenger hunt event things are a good place to start too.
edit: Also you don't NEED the helicopter (which is another 2.1 mil on top of the 2 mil for the sub) but it makes getting around SO much faster. You can summon it on top of you anywhere, it has a button that auto lands in the submarine, you can take off from inside the submarine, etc. WAY better than summoning the dinghy at the shore.)
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Do you need the missiles for the sub? I have just enough money to buy the sub, sonar, missiles, heli, and mini-sub with about 300k left over.
Do you need the missiles for the sub? I have just enough money to buy the sub, sonar, missiles, heli, and mini-sub with about 300k left over.
You don't need the sonar, the missiles, or the mini-sub.
The sonar is also free if you're a twitch prime member and have it linked to your rockstar account, although mine hasn't shown up yet for some reason. Once you buy the sparrow, get into it and there's a prompt to customize it and you can buy the homing missiles for the sparrow.
But the submarine missiles are just a for fun thing as far as I know.
Do you need the missiles for the sub? I have just enough money to buy the sub, sonar, missiles, heli, and mini-sub with about 300k left over.
You don't need the sonar, the missiles, or the mini-sub.
The sonar is also free if you're a twitch prime member and have it linked to your rockstar account, although mine hasn't shown up yet for some reason. Once you buy the sparrow, get into it and there's a prompt to customize it and you can buy the homing missiles for the sparrow.
But the submarine missiles are just a for fun thing as far as I know.
So, kinda like the Facility's orbital laser cannon. Cool, good to know.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
Do you need the missiles for the sub? I have just enough money to buy the sub, sonar, missiles, heli, and mini-sub with about 300k left over.
You don't need the sonar, the missiles, or the mini-sub.
The sonar is also free if you're a twitch prime member and have it linked to your rockstar account, although mine hasn't shown up yet for some reason. Once you buy the sparrow, get into it and there's a prompt to customize it and you can buy the homing missiles for the sparrow.
But the submarine missiles are just a for fun thing as far as I know.
Yeah, I was including the sonar Prime discount in that (it's showing as $0 for me). I'll just get the sonar and Sparrow for now. Thanks!
Yeah my issue is if I go the bunker route to make money to get the sub, I should trade up to chumash or farmhouse from the free one, then Id' need the money to upgrade and then I could solo the 75k supplies going into one car and get the passive collection int he nightclub. However that's many more millions than just getting the sub, so I figured out of hopefully grinding crate missions and not failing, At least doing Fleeca just off the bonus first time would give me 1.1 million without feeling like I'm just leeching off someone>If the hard mode isn't so bad doing the no death challenge and getting the 10 million for that one heist would give me what I need for the sub, the bunker and upgrades, and an arcade to hit the casino as well. Maybe even the MOC and other stuff like the nightclub passive upgrade.
Or, if the hard mode stuff is ridiculous, just doing each heist once all the way through with the same team would be enough for the sub and arcade which would let me grind out the rest of the stuff on my own.
Wait, did I miss what the sub can do? Why does it make CEO obsolete? Or do you mean just because its a money maker?
Obsolete in terms of grinding money. If you simply want to play the CEO content, then that's fine. Some of those missions are kind of fun. I REALLY like the I/E business since I like driving super cars fast, and it pays me to drive super cars fast. Shame that the snow is over since outracing buzzards and pursuit cars in the snow with the 811 is FUN.
The problem with using I/E work to pull yourself up by your shoestrings is that while it's pretty lucrative once it's up and running, it both has a hefty initial investment and a LONG setup period where you make next to nothing as you spend dozens of car sourcing missions to saturate the warehouse with low and mid tier cars so that it will only subsequently source super cars.
Yeah my issue is if I go the bunker route to make money to get the sub, I should trade up to chumash or farmhouse from the free one, then Id' need the money to upgrade and then I could solo the 75k supplies going into one car and get the passive collection int he nightclub. However that's many more millions than just getting the sub, so I figured out of hopefully grinding crate missions and not failing, At least doing Fleeca just off the bonus first time would give me 1.1 million without feeling like I'm just leeching off someone>If the hard mode isn't so bad doing the no death challenge and getting the 10 million for that one heist would give me what I need for the sub, the bunker and upgrades, and an arcade to hit the casino as well. Maybe even the MOC and other stuff like the nightclub passive upgrade.
Or, if the hard mode stuff is ridiculous, just doing each heist once all the way through with the same team would be enough for the sub and arcade which would let me grind out the rest of the stuff on my own.
Don't move the bunker yet. It will set you back a lot and take awhile to offset that investment. If you already own a crate warehouse, then you might as well run some crates to make some income. IIRC it's more lucrative than VIP missions and would take priority over VIP work when juggling cooldowns.
I don't see you easily getting the 10 million criminal mastermind challenge. That is extremely impractical to unlock without synchronizing schedules between three close friends who are already very well versed in the heists and potential pitfalls that can suckerpunch them, and IIRC even then R* bugs can set you back to square one. It isn't 10 million for "one heist" like you said. It's 10 million for you and your friends to all run all five of the classic heists, and their prerequisite setup mission, in order on hard mode with no deaths. That is an extremely tall order because usually murphy's law happens and something stupid suckerpunches someone.
Like I said before, if we can schedule a time, I'm willing to hop in and host a heist to help someone get their sub. If you're concerned about feeling like you're leeching, then you can always reciprocate by returning the favor by preparing the setup missions in advance and then inviting me back to partake in the finale so that I can get a quick easy payday as thanks.
What I tried to show with that spreadsheet is that it is more lucrative for two players to take turns hosting the heist after doing the prepwork solo than it is to remain a complete lone wolf. The extra payout from collecting gold*, and ideally the elite challenge bonus, means that it is more lucrative for a player to spend a bit less than an hour doing the setups and then working with a buddy who has done the same to take turns splitting the payout than it is to remain fully solo and just run your heists by yourself. This is true even if split 50:50 both times or took turns splitting 85:15. Although I've got ~20 mil in the bank right now and I've run out of things on my GTA bucket list to buy. Personally I'd rather you turn around and return the favor to one of the other players here who are trying to jumpstart their GTA careers.
*It's not guaranteed that the island will contain the three stacks of gold necessary for two players to fully stock up on gold, but the odds are pretty decent.
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I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread ages ago, but my R* Social club handle is "General_Armchair"
Anyone who wants to take me up on the offer to run host a heist, send me an invite and mention it here or in a PM. You probably won't see me logging on to GTA much over the next few days since I kind of burnt myself out a bit, but I'll hop on to host.
Like I said, IIRC I have a casino heist ready to go and have partially done the setups for my next perico heist.
Wait, did I miss what the sub can do? Why does it make CEO obsolete? Or do you mean just because its a money maker?
Obsolete in terms of grinding money. If you simply want to play the CEO content, then that's fine. Some of those missions are kind of fun. I REALLY like the I/E business since I like driving super cars fast, and it pays me to drive super cars fast. Shame that the snow is over since outracing buzzards and pursuit cars in the snow with the 811 is FUN.
The problem with using I/E work to pull yourself up by your shoestrings is that while it's pretty lucrative once it's up and running, it both has a hefty initial investment and a LONG setup period where you make next to nothing as you spend dozens of car sourcing missions to saturate the warehouse with low and mid tier cars so that it will only subsequently source super cars.
Yeah my issue is if I go the bunker route to make money to get the sub, I should trade up to chumash or farmhouse from the free one, then Id' need the money to upgrade and then I could solo the 75k supplies going into one car and get the passive collection int he nightclub. However that's many more millions than just getting the sub, so I figured out of hopefully grinding crate missions and not failing, At least doing Fleeca just off the bonus first time would give me 1.1 million without feeling like I'm just leeching off someone>If the hard mode isn't so bad doing the no death challenge and getting the 10 million for that one heist would give me what I need for the sub, the bunker and upgrades, and an arcade to hit the casino as well. Maybe even the MOC and other stuff like the nightclub passive upgrade.
Or, if the hard mode stuff is ridiculous, just doing each heist once all the way through with the same team would be enough for the sub and arcade which would let me grind out the rest of the stuff on my own.
Don't move the bunker yet. It will set you back a lot and take awhile to offset that investment. If you already own a crate warehouse, then you might as well run some crates to make some income. IIRC it's more lucrative than VIP missions and would take priority over VIP work when juggling cooldowns.
I don't see you easily getting the 10 million criminal mastermind challenge. That is extremely impractical to unlock without synchronizing schedules between three close friends who are already very well versed in the heists and potential pitfalls that can suckerpunch them, and IIRC even then R* bugs can set you back to square one. It isn't 10 million for "one heist" like you said. It's 10 million for you and your friends to all run all five of the classic heists, and their prerequisite setup mission, in order on hard mode with no deaths. That is an extremely tall order because usually murphy's law happens and something stupid suckerpunches someone.
Like I said before, if we can schedule a time, I'm willing to hop in and host a heist to help someone get their sub. If you're concerned about feeling like you're leeching, then you can always reciprocate by returning the favor by preparing the setup missions in advance and then inviting me back to partake in the finale so that I can get a quick easy payday as thanks.
What I tried to show with that spreadsheet is that it is more lucrative for two players to take turns hosting the heist after doing the prepwork solo than it is to remain a complete lone wolf. The extra payout from collecting gold*, and ideally the elite challenge bonus, means that it is more lucrative for a player to spend a bit less than an hour doing the setups and then working with a buddy who has done the same to take turns splitting the payout than it is to remain fully solo and just run your heists by yourself. This is true even if split 50:50 both times or took turns splitting 85:15. Although I've got ~20 mil in the bank right now and I've run out of things on my GTA bucket list to buy. Personally I'd rather you turn around and return the favor to one of the other players here who are trying to jumpstart their GTA careers.
*It's not guaranteed that the island will contain the three stacks of gold necessary for two players to fully stock up on gold, but the odds are pretty decent.
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I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread ages ago, but my R* Social club handle is "General_Armchair"
Anyone who wants to take me up on the offer to run host a heist, send me an invite and mention it here or in a PM. You probably won't see me logging on to GTA much over the next few days since I kind of burnt myself out a bit, but I'll hop on to host.
Like I said, IIRC I have a casino heist ready to go and have partially done the setups for my next perico heist.
Oh I know the 4 man heists are very hard to do without dying, but since Fleeca is 2 man and I haven't found anywhere that says the bonuses to apply to that heist, it's possibly easier to do. Probably, but that's why I'm asking.
I'm saying that you need to do the 4 man heists in addition to fleeca job, all of them consecutively without dying, to get the 10 mil from the Criminal Mastermind achievement.
I'm saying that you need to do the 4 man heists in addition to fleeca job, all of them consecutively without dying, to get the 10 mil from the Criminal Mastermind achievement.
Oooooooooh.....the wiki I was reading doesn't state it like that. It's written like you can get 10 Million in each heist if you do it perfectly. Yeah not worth it then, sorry for the misunderstanding.
It's a daunting achievement to get since it both takes a lot of time to do, and it can all be undone if one little thing goes wrong. The wrong things blows up. Someone gets unlucky and catches a shotgun blast with their face. One mission bugs up.
The Cayo heist is good at least since the checkpoints seem pretty generous. The first few attempts I lost a tonne of money outside the villa so I just had my nephew and me willingly die so it'd respawn us. Now it's been a few weeks, there will be guides to get better runs. I think someone here posted a video about poisoning the water for instance which weakens the enemies.
The Cayo heist is good at least since the checkpoints seem pretty generous. The first few attempts I lost a tonne of money outside the villa so I just had my nephew and me willingly die so it'd respawn us. Now it's been a few weeks, there will be guides to get better runs. I think someone here posted a video about poisoning the water for instance which weakens the enemies.
I don't know about poisoning the water, but if you go in through the drainage tunnel you can stealth the whole mission. Do the armor prep, do all the equip preps except explosives. Make sure you pay for silencers. Kosatka approach vehicle
You'll end up inside the compound at the start after a quick swim and can stealth around, headshotting everyone before leisurely taking as much stuff as you can carry.
Then when you leave, just avoid the helicopter once and you have quite a while to make your way to the main dock, grab more loot, and escape.
Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy and shockingly lucrative.
It goes in a straight line, so once you've identified which way it is going, just get out of the way.
Which is harder than it sounds the first few times. Driving into the underbrush is terrifying and there's occasional guards on the road you want to avoid/shoot in the face. It doesn't seem to spawn until you're past the gate.
So, once you leave the compound, there's a guy in front of you with a bike, and three guys to the right. Take them all out quietly, grab a bike, go out the gate. Helicopter comes looking, juke it. Then make your way down to the main dock, taking out people quietly as you go. Grab any extra loot (Probably a good idea to scout this during the scouting portion of the setup) and then hop in a boat and get out of there.
If you're spotted, the helicopter is a nightmare since you can't shoot it down. So don't get spotted. The first time I had to dive off the south cliff and hijack a boat trying to murder me and use it to escape instead of the main dock.
If you're planning to stealth the approach, there isn't a reason to do any of the disruption preps. None of the guards are wearing bullet proof helmets, so everyone can be dispatched with headshots or melee takedowns. Confusingly even the juggernaut guy with the full ballistic equipment setup doesn't actually have a bullet proof helmet and will drop to a headshot, although I expect that to eventually be patched. You shouldn't be shot at all, and if you do you can always just die and restart from the last checkpoint.
Personally I think that the longfin is better than the kosatka approach. You can opt to use it for the drainpipe entry like the kosatka if you wish, and the longfin setup is really easy. Just steal the longfin from the police, kill yourself to lose the wanted level, and just drive it to the docks. Plus you get those miami vice vibes during the run.
I also like taking the time to scout quickly scout the island and grab my loot on my way to the compound, and I'll often infiltrate into the airfield with the vellum or north docks with the longfin. It takes a few more minutes, but you average a few hundred thousand more per run than people who are just hitting the compound solo first through the drain pipe and grabbing whatever happens to be at the main docks, so it kind of averages out. It helps keep the runs a bit fresh too since they'll be slightly different every time.
If your bag is full of secondary loot upon exiting the compound, the easiest way off of the island is to take a vehicle and jump off the edge of the cliff at the southernmost tip of the island and just swim for the map border for a few seconds.
See the below for what I'm talking about for the escape segment. The rest of the run prior to that is super RNG heavy speed run stuff that isn't as practical for the rest of the heist.
Okay it's very silly that you can just swim away but also I love it. I haven't tried the longfin mission, I'll have to do that. The Kosatka is super easy as a mission because you just fly the sparrow over, blow up a chopper and three boats, then shoot up a submarine and go back to your submarine.
You get to dress up in more stylish outfits than the wetsuits if you use the longfin. You will want to bring rebreathers if you want to rush the drain pipe though. Rushing the drainpipe and stocking up on random goods at the main docks may be the most profitable approach, but I really think that taking a few minutes to scout the loot piles and planning a route for double cocaine does wonders for helping mix things up.
The lonfin prep is super easy if you own a big rig of some sort. You just backup into the police station parking lot to steal the longfin trailer, get yourself killed to lose the wanted level, and drive to the docks. If you don't own a big rig it spawns some that you can steal. I just went ahead and bought a phantom wedge with all of my heist loot since I had been looking for an excuse to own one anyway.
I'm on today and around tomorrow Armchair, I'll be on most of today doing Motor Wars if you're doing that heist I'd like to tag along if there's room.
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I'm finishing up some stuff for work right now. Send me a friend invite in R* social club if you haven't yet. I can log on tonight or tomorrow evening. I've been on a bit of a vermintide2 spree recently so I haven't been playing GTA this past week. So things are pretty much like I last stated. I have a casino heist ready to go, but I don't think that my perico heist is ready to go. Still, you getting 85% of a casino heist payday will be a big payout for little work.
I'm on today and around tomorrow Armchair, I'll be on most of today doing Motor Wars if you're doing that heist I'd like to tag along if there's room.
@übergeek
I'm finishing up some stuff for work right now. Send me a friend invite in R* social club if you haven't yet. I can log on tonight or tomorrow evening. I've been on a bit of a vermintide2 spree recently so I haven't been playing GTA this past week. So things are pretty much like I last stated. I have a casino heist ready to go, but I don't think that my perico heist is ready to go. Still, you getting 85% of a casino heist payday will be a big payout for little work.
Anything is fine, and I don't want you going out of your way, I appreciate any help. 2 win rounds of Motor Wars is making some good money in the meantime.
I'd like to thank @General_Armchair for taking the time to run me through the end of the casino heist and give me most of the money for it. Being it was my first time I screwed up slightly and we missed one painting, but between what he helped me get and my grinding of Motor Wars I have just over 2.2 Million now, so I can get my sub. I plan to do some reading and practice CP for a bit, and then do all the other heists so that I can help other people get equipped for endgame stuff. I'm sure this list I have of stuff I still need to buy (like an arcade) will total 20 million minimum, so the practice will go towards all those things.
Glad I could help and glad that the run netted you enough to let you buy the sub.
If you are intent on grinding a lot of $$$ to try out all of GTA's content, like I said earlier the Perico heist is currently the pinnacle of active income. Just upgrade that sub with the sparrow helicopter once you can and those setup missions will become a breeze. After that, setup your passive income by relocating your bunker to a better location, buying a nightclub, and then feeding the nightclub with the assorted best properties.
Again, I reccomend never buying the Nightclub's Mule Custom. Either use the Speedo forever or skip over the Mule and buy the Pounder Custom.
Can anyone tell me the diff between the plasma torch and the cutting torch? I'm going for the stealth drainage run.
Also I'm a bit confused about the loot bag. The video above he loads it up til full with weed I think? Is that for speed purposes because last time I did it gold seemed to be worth more? Does gold not count towards your loot bag limit?
Can anyone tell me the diff between the plasma torch and the cutting torch? I'm going for the stealth drainage run.
Also I'm a bit confused about the loot bag. The video above he loads it up til full with weed I think? Is that for speed purposes because last time I did it gold seemed to be worth more? Does gold not count towards your loot bag limit?
It's probably someone's translation error. There's only one kind of torch.
The only differences between the secondary loot is its value and the % of your loot bag that it fills up.
In terms of value, they follow the following hierarchy Gold>coke>weed>art>cash
Can anyone tell me the diff between the plasma torch and the cutting torch? I'm going for the stealth drainage run.
Also I'm a bit confused about the loot bag. The video above he loads it up til full with weed I think? Is that for speed purposes because last time I did it gold seemed to be worth more? Does gold not count towards your loot bag limit?
It's probably someone's translation error. There's only one kind of torch.
The only differences between the secondary loot is its value and the % of your loot bag that it fills up.
In terms of value, they follow the following hierarchy Gold>coke>weed>art>cash
That's my translation error, think it's actually called the plasma cutter. There's definitely two separate equipment missions, one for a cutting torch (which I saw in the video above was used on chains), and a plasma cutter and I'm just curious if I need both so I can do chains and cut bars?
Oh. The cutter is the super special, donut steal, glass cutter for cutting into the glass case. The torch is for cutting into the drain pipe bars (and also the padlocks around the island, rendering bolt cutters kinda useless).
Now that I have my sub, I'm wondering if the Story Mission version of the heist for the files is done in an on rails way or is it choose all the options you want, like doing the mostly stealth Drainage in Main Docks out version? Can the story version even be solo'd?
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There's no real reason to do a solo lobby sale for single vehicle bunker sales. Like I said, I have pretty much a 100% success rate when using Ghost Organization to hide my blip on the radar. When in a big lobby, the high demand bonus makes enough extra cash to bankroll the cost of Ghost Org with extra leftover.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
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I strongly urge you to consider abandoning the plans to get the crate warehouse and to just pinch the pennies for a submarine. Crate farming is both far grindier and less lucrative than just running the perico heist solo. Again, the Cayo Perico heist can be done completely solo so you are free to deviate from meta strategies and just run the heist however you please and at your own pace. But when you do seriously grind the perico heist for cash, it can pull it in easily at a rate in the ballpark of 1.5 million per hour. I cannot stress enough how much that blows basically everything else out of the water and how quickly the sub will pay for itself.
If you haven't already, look up the scavenger hunt events associated with the Navy Revolver, Double Action Revolver, and Stone Hatchet. By just using the Frogger helicopter that came with the CE pack, you can clear those up really fast and net yourself several hundred thousand dollars in addition to those weapons. The stone hatchet situationally makes some missions a breeze.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
But yeah, the cayo perico heist blows I/E work out of the water. Especially since the perico heist can be done solo. Previously I/E's claim to fame was that it was the most profitable pure solo source of income. The Casino heist was 99% solo with 1% dealing with randoms for the heist itself.
Attached is a quick spreadsheet that I drew up comparing running the heist solo, or running it as a duo with you and the partner both taking gold from the compound. If you don't break stealth and succeed in achieving the elite challenge, which would be pretty trivial for a duo even if they took their sweet time safely meleeing every guard in the compound, you would also each gain an additional 100k on top of these values.
Even with the host giving the client the absolute minimum 15% take, the client can expect to make ~400k from ~10-15 minutes work if they're taking the heist really slow. More like 7 or less range if the people know what they're doing.
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You'll make slightly less than those numbers since I didn't account for Pavel's cut or the fencing fees. I'm also not accounting for the random sum of money in Rubio's safe. However it still gives you a ball park picture of what to expect. It's REALLY LUCRATIVE.
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Also, the highest payout that I ever achieved from the heist so far. It takes about 45 minutes to an hour to do the prepwork for the heist.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Good to know. Got no problem in grinding, as my thousands upon thousands of hours in Borderlands 2 and 3 can attest. But I do like heists. Mostly interested in building a criminal empire for funsies and robbing some banks and casinos. Does the CEO VIP job wave method thing still work to grind out money and line up the timers?
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Not worth the risk imo, you don't make that much more money. Playing solo lobbies is the only way to play this game because the hackers and griefers are out of control, unless you like turning into a basketball and the weather flipping back and forth between snow and raining and regular so fast it'll give you a seizure.
For newer folk, the best ways to get money are to get a bunker (Chumash rules), get it upgraded, then sell that every time the supplies run out. To get a bunker, maybe start with the vehicle warehouse/office stuff.
Then, once you can get a nightclub and enough buisnesses to run it, that'll make tons of money.
Or, just get the submarine and the helicopter in the submarine and do the cayo perico heist because good god it makes a lot of money but a 4 million dollar investment is quite a bit.
And no, the best way to get money is not to get the bunker or office stuff. The best way to get money now is hands down, unquestionably to beeline the submarine. Then invest into the passive businesses like the bunker and nightclub after the submarine is online.
Hit the ground with a fresh account, do the scavenger hunt stuff for some seed money, grind some VIP work and join perico/casino heists as a client, and then buy the sub. Then run the perico heist twice to afford the sparrow. Then the sky is the limit.
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maybe hit the time trial par time each week for an extra 100k. That's some extra low hanging fruit that can knocked out quick if you have a quick ride to help scrape up the cash for the sub. The bati motorcycle is dirt cheap and can clear some of those par times.
The CEO stuff has just been straight up obsoleted. The sub is just that much of a game changer and I honestly expect R* to do something to nerf it. Nothing else even holds a candle to it.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
The bolded is literally what SniperGuy said. The last sentence of their post:
"Or, just get the submarine and the helicopter in the submarine and do the cayo perico heist because good god it makes a lot of money but a 4 million dollar investment is quite a bit."
I'm curious about something, though: how effective would the sub/helicopter/CP heist be for a new player? I never got the CE pack, so I'm not familiar with what that grants. Do you still start at level 1 and have fuckall for guns/armor options? Because I'd imagine trying to run a heist with nothing more than a bog standard pistol is going to be kinda rough.
Cayo Perico actually makes you go get a weapon loadout to run it, so it doesn't matter what guns you have as a new player (which is a little weird for me who has a ton of guns but whatever)
And yeah, Cayo Perico is the best way to make money, but getting the funds to be able to do it can take a bit.
If I was a fresh account with an office and a little money, I'd probably do the vehicle warehouse to grind up the money for the sub, because those missions are entertaining whereas grinding headhunter is super boring in my experience. I've also had like no luck joining randos in heists, so there's that. Oh and yeah the stone hatchet and those other scavenger hunt event things are a good place to start too.
edit: Also you don't NEED the helicopter (which is another 2.1 mil on top of the 2 mil for the sub) but it makes getting around SO much faster. You can summon it on top of you anywhere, it has a button that auto lands in the submarine, you can take off from inside the submarine, etc. WAY better than summoning the dinghy at the shore.)
You don't need the sonar, the missiles, or the mini-sub.
The sonar is also free if you're a twitch prime member and have it linked to your rockstar account, although mine hasn't shown up yet for some reason. Once you buy the sparrow, get into it and there's a prompt to customize it and you can buy the homing missiles for the sparrow.
But the submarine missiles are just a for fun thing as far as I know.
So, kinda like the Facility's orbital laser cannon. Cool, good to know.
Yeah, I was including the sonar Prime discount in that (it's showing as $0 for me). I'll just get the sonar and Sparrow for now. Thanks!
Yeah just because it makes SO much more money doing the cayo perico heist
Or, if the hard mode stuff is ridiculous, just doing each heist once all the way through with the same team would be enough for the sub and arcade which would let me grind out the rest of the stuff on my own.
Obsolete in terms of grinding money. If you simply want to play the CEO content, then that's fine. Some of those missions are kind of fun. I REALLY like the I/E business since I like driving super cars fast, and it pays me to drive super cars fast. Shame that the snow is over since outracing buzzards and pursuit cars in the snow with the 811 is FUN.
The problem with using I/E work to pull yourself up by your shoestrings is that while it's pretty lucrative once it's up and running, it both has a hefty initial investment and a LONG setup period where you make next to nothing as you spend dozens of car sourcing missions to saturate the warehouse with low and mid tier cars so that it will only subsequently source super cars.
Don't move the bunker yet. It will set you back a lot and take awhile to offset that investment. If you already own a crate warehouse, then you might as well run some crates to make some income. IIRC it's more lucrative than VIP missions and would take priority over VIP work when juggling cooldowns.
I don't see you easily getting the 10 million criminal mastermind challenge. That is extremely impractical to unlock without synchronizing schedules between three close friends who are already very well versed in the heists and potential pitfalls that can suckerpunch them, and IIRC even then R* bugs can set you back to square one. It isn't 10 million for "one heist" like you said. It's 10 million for you and your friends to all run all five of the classic heists, and their prerequisite setup mission, in order on hard mode with no deaths. That is an extremely tall order because usually murphy's law happens and something stupid suckerpunches someone.
Like I said before, if we can schedule a time, I'm willing to hop in and host a heist to help someone get their sub. If you're concerned about feeling like you're leeching, then you can always reciprocate by returning the favor by preparing the setup missions in advance and then inviting me back to partake in the finale so that I can get a quick easy payday as thanks.
What I tried to show with that spreadsheet is that it is more lucrative for two players to take turns hosting the heist after doing the prepwork solo than it is to remain a complete lone wolf. The extra payout from collecting gold*, and ideally the elite challenge bonus, means that it is more lucrative for a player to spend a bit less than an hour doing the setups and then working with a buddy who has done the same to take turns splitting the payout than it is to remain fully solo and just run your heists by yourself. This is true even if split 50:50 both times or took turns splitting 85:15. Although I've got ~20 mil in the bank right now and I've run out of things on my GTA bucket list to buy. Personally I'd rather you turn around and return the favor to one of the other players here who are trying to jumpstart their GTA careers.
*It's not guaranteed that the island will contain the three stacks of gold necessary for two players to fully stock up on gold, but the odds are pretty decent.
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I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread ages ago, but my R* Social club handle is "General_Armchair"
Anyone who wants to take me up on the offer to run host a heist, send me an invite and mention it here or in a PM. You probably won't see me logging on to GTA much over the next few days since I kind of burnt myself out a bit, but I'll hop on to host.
Like I said, IIRC I have a casino heist ready to go and have partially done the setups for my next perico heist.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Oh I know the 4 man heists are very hard to do without dying, but since Fleeca is 2 man and I haven't found anywhere that says the bonuses to apply to that heist, it's possibly easier to do. Probably, but that's why I'm asking.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Oooooooooh.....the wiki I was reading doesn't state it like that. It's written like you can get 10 Million in each heist if you do it perfectly. Yeah not worth it then, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
I don't know about poisoning the water, but if you go in through the drainage tunnel you can stealth the whole mission. Do the armor prep, do all the equip preps except explosives. Make sure you pay for silencers. Kosatka approach vehicle
You'll end up inside the compound at the start after a quick swim and can stealth around, headshotting everyone before leisurely taking as much stuff as you can carry.
Then when you leave, just avoid the helicopter once and you have quite a while to make your way to the main dock, grab more loot, and escape.
Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy and shockingly lucrative.
It goes in a straight line, so once you've identified which way it is going, just get out of the way.
Which is harder than it sounds the first few times. Driving into the underbrush is terrifying and there's occasional guards on the road you want to avoid/shoot in the face. It doesn't seem to spawn until you're past the gate.
So, once you leave the compound, there's a guy in front of you with a bike, and three guys to the right. Take them all out quietly, grab a bike, go out the gate. Helicopter comes looking, juke it. Then make your way down to the main dock, taking out people quietly as you go. Grab any extra loot (Probably a good idea to scout this during the scouting portion of the setup) and then hop in a boat and get out of there.
If you're spotted, the helicopter is a nightmare since you can't shoot it down. So don't get spotted. The first time I had to dive off the south cliff and hijack a boat trying to murder me and use it to escape instead of the main dock.
Personally I think that the longfin is better than the kosatka approach. You can opt to use it for the drainpipe entry like the kosatka if you wish, and the longfin setup is really easy. Just steal the longfin from the police, kill yourself to lose the wanted level, and just drive it to the docks. Plus you get those miami vice vibes during the run.
I also like taking the time to scout quickly scout the island and grab my loot on my way to the compound, and I'll often infiltrate into the airfield with the vellum or north docks with the longfin. It takes a few more minutes, but you average a few hundred thousand more per run than people who are just hitting the compound solo first through the drain pipe and grabbing whatever happens to be at the main docks, so it kind of averages out. It helps keep the runs a bit fresh too since they'll be slightly different every time.
If your bag is full of secondary loot upon exiting the compound, the easiest way off of the island is to take a vehicle and jump off the edge of the cliff at the southernmost tip of the island and just swim for the map border for a few seconds.
See the below for what I'm talking about for the escape segment. The rest of the run prior to that is super RNG heavy speed run stuff that isn't as practical for the rest of the heist.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
The lonfin prep is super easy if you own a big rig of some sort. You just backup into the police station parking lot to steal the longfin trailer, get yourself killed to lose the wanted level, and drive to the docks. If you don't own a big rig it spawns some that you can steal. I just went ahead and bought a phantom wedge with all of my heist loot since I had been looking for an excuse to own one anyway.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
@übergeek
I'm finishing up some stuff for work right now. Send me a friend invite in R* social club if you haven't yet. I can log on tonight or tomorrow evening. I've been on a bit of a vermintide2 spree recently so I haven't been playing GTA this past week. So things are pretty much like I last stated. I have a casino heist ready to go, but I don't think that my perico heist is ready to go. Still, you getting 85% of a casino heist payday will be a big payout for little work.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Anything is fine, and I don't want you going out of your way, I appreciate any help. 2 win rounds of Motor Wars is making some good money in the meantime.
If you are intent on grinding a lot of $$$ to try out all of GTA's content, like I said earlier the Perico heist is currently the pinnacle of active income. Just upgrade that sub with the sparrow helicopter once you can and those setup missions will become a breeze. After that, setup your passive income by relocating your bunker to a better location, buying a nightclub, and then feeding the nightclub with the assorted best properties.
Again, I reccomend never buying the Nightclub's Mule Custom. Either use the Speedo forever or skip over the Mule and buy the Pounder Custom.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Also I'm a bit confused about the loot bag. The video above he loads it up til full with weed I think? Is that for speed purposes because last time I did it gold seemed to be worth more? Does gold not count towards your loot bag limit?
It's probably someone's translation error. There's only one kind of torch.
The only differences between the secondary loot is its value and the % of your loot bag that it fills up.
In terms of value, they follow the following hierarchy Gold>coke>weed>art>cash
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
That's my translation error, think it's actually called the plasma cutter. There's definitely two separate equipment missions, one for a cutting torch (which I saw in the video above was used on chains), and a plasma cutter and I'm just curious if I need both so I can do chains and cut bars?
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012