i don't know a lot about the legal degrees of murder but supposing they definitely did that- what do y'all think is the appropriate charge?
i guess it feels to me like if they've done this many, many times without people dying, a manslaughter type charge (where the death is assumed to be negligent rather than direct and sought out, or whatever is the legalese) is appropriate. i read that one of the cops at least is getting second degree murder.
His murder charge is basically hyper-manslaughter. Manslaughter so offensive that we bump it up to murder.
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i don't know a lot about the legal degrees of murder but supposing they definitely did that- what do y'all think is the appropriate charge?
i guess it feels to me like if they've done this many, many times without people dying, a manslaughter type charge (where the death is assumed to be negligent rather than direct and sought out, or whatever is the legalese) is appropriate. i read that one of the cops at least is getting second degree murder.
There's an argument to be made for felony murder, but I don't see that happening. More likely 2nd degree murder or manslaughter, depending on how they classify it in Baltimore.
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i don't know a lot about the legal degrees of murder but supposing they definitely did that- what do y'all think is the appropriate charge?
i guess it feels to me like if they've done this many, many times without people dying, a manslaughter type charge (where the death is assumed to be negligent rather than direct and sought out, or whatever is the legalese) is appropriate. i read that one of the cops at least is getting second degree murder.
i don't think there's many people who have died of it, but there's a pretty long list of people paralyzed as a result
i think it'd be hard to argue that you weren't aware it was potentially lethal
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Alright and in this next scene all the animals have AIDS.
well there's a distinct chance you'll kill someone if you punch them in the face when standing on pavement for their head to smack off
but i think that's manslaughter
i guess i should read more instead of thinking out loud with questions
i'm sure someone has done a breakdown of all this
you should read more.
the long and short of it is that he was apprehended with needless violence and then tossed into the back of a vehicle aggressively like a criminal (before due process) and denied medical aid for hours.
i don't know a lot about the legal degrees of murder but supposing they definitely did that- what do y'all think is the appropriate charge?
i guess it feels to me like if they've done this many, many times without people dying, a manslaughter type charge (where the death is assumed to be negligent rather than direct and sought out, or whatever is the legalese) is appropriate. i read that one of the cops at least is getting second degree murder.
I personally prefer a narrow conception of manslaughter, for stuff that is pretty stupid, but neither ultra-stupid or where you have a special duty. So, if you are texting and driving and kill someone - manslaughter. If you want to hurt innocent people but hurt one too much and they die, murder 2.
In Maryland:
Second-Degree Depraved Heart Murder.
Second-degree murder is the killing of another person while acting with an extreme disregard for human life. In order to convict the defendant of second-degree murder, the State must prove:
(1) that the defendant caused the death of (name);
(2) that the defendant's conduct created a very high risk to the life of (name); and
(3) that the defendant, conscious of such risk, acted with extreme disregard of the life-endangering consequences.
So like, my tongue has gone numb. For a couple days now. Every time I try to speak, I sound drunk as hell. I am not. Ive just...stopped speaking at this point.
But...what the hell? Did I have a stroke or something and just forget?
i've remarked (possibly to @kedinik) before that eggshell rules seem inconsistent with law-and-econ externality calculation attitudes, because expected probabilities rule the roost in the latter
i've remarked (possibly to "kedinik") before that eggshell rules seem inconsistent with law-and-econ externality calculation attitudes, because expected probabilities rule the roost in the latter
but ehhh
I was just typing up a response to chu that talked a little about eggshell when I thought:
ehhhh
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i think a good defense team might successfully argue that this particular driver cannot be shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have known of rough rides or the possible injury from doing so
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So like, my tongue has gone numb. For a couple days now. Every time I try to speak, I sound drunk as hell. I am not. Ive just...stopped speaking at this point.
But...what the hell? Did I have a stroke or something and just forget?
Possibly an infected tooth that is impinging on a nerve?
I am not a doctor. Go see a doctor.
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
i've remarked (possibly to "kedinik") before that eggshell rules seem inconsistent with law-and-econ externality calculation attitudes, because expected probabilities rule the roost in the latter
but ehhh
I was just typing up a response to chu that talked a little about eggshell when I thought:
So like, my tongue has gone numb. For a couple days now. Every time I try to speak, I sound drunk as hell. I am not. Ive just...stopped speaking at this point.
But...what the hell? Did I have a stroke or something and just forget?
Possibly an infected tooth that is impinging on a nerve?
i've remarked (possibly to "kedinik") before that eggshell rules seem inconsistent with law-and-econ externality calculation attitudes, because expected probabilities rule the roost in the latter
but ehhh
I was just typing up a response to chu that talked a little about eggshell when I thought:
ehhhh
do it.
you too, eddy. ten pages, my desk tomorrow.
Damn ronya. Formal Eddy prays to you one time, once, for help with an essay. And then you think you can just boss any other students around?!
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my vague understanding of eggshelly rules is that it's a rule of thumb that works well for injuries that are not susceptible to financialization, but in an era of personal injury insurance (say) it's not really ideal
i've remarked (possibly to "kedinik") before that eggshell rules seem inconsistent with law-and-econ externality calculation attitudes, because expected probabilities rule the roost in the latter
but ehhh
I was just typing up a response to chu that talked a little about eggshell when I thought:
ehhhh
do it.
you too, eddy. ten pages, my desk tomorrow.
Damn ronya. Formal Eddy prays to you one time, once, for help with an essay. And then you think you can just boss any other students around?!
if eddy can't be a great trial lawyer just from studying the hands of teddy kgb he doesn't even know what we're all doing here from a legal perspective
i've remarked (possibly to kedinik) before that eggshell rules seem inconsistent with law-and-econ externality calculation attitudes, because expected probabilities rule the roost in the latter
but ehhh
Yeah, but it's a victim focused paradigm. It matters less than the fact one can usually get away with hurting suspects without leaving a literal body you have to explain than the fact the defendants killed an innocent person. Honestly, it makes sense, because dollar value wise is one thing, but really, turning to a young man's family and saying, "Well, in my defense, your son was a candyass, that doesn't normally kill people, now halve my sentence," has a cost that is difficult to measure in externality analysis.
So like, my tongue has gone numb. For a couple days now. Every time I try to speak, I sound drunk as hell. I am not. Ive just...stopped speaking at this point.
But...what the hell? Did I have a stroke or something and just forget?
Sometimes I start misspeaking a lot if I'm tired or hungry.
What I'm saying, I guess, is you should eat a Snickers.
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His murder charge is basically hyper-manslaughter. Manslaughter so offensive that we bump it up to murder.
There's an argument to be made for felony murder, but I don't see that happening. More likely 2nd degree murder or manslaughter, depending on how they classify it in Baltimore.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
i think it'd be hard to argue that you weren't aware it was potentially lethal
i am so erect.
but i think that's manslaughter
i guess i should read more instead of thinking out loud with questions
i'm sure someone has done a breakdown of all this
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Oh, I make an absolutely decadent sauce for my noodles from ramen soup-stuff packets by frying it with about half a pound of kebab and some heavy cream.
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
you should read more.
the long and short of it is that he was apprehended with needless violence and then tossed into the back of a vehicle aggressively like a criminal (before due process) and denied medical aid for hours.
Welcome to America!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull
I personally prefer a narrow conception of manslaughter, for stuff that is pretty stupid, but neither ultra-stupid or where you have a special duty. So, if you are texting and driving and kill someone - manslaughter. If you want to hurt innocent people but hurt one too much and they die, murder 2.
In Maryland:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/what-is-depraved-heart-murder-in-maryland/2015/05/01/b2619450-f021-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html
But...what the hell? Did I have a stroke or something and just forget?
is it the driver getting the harshest charge
i wonder if- with real jail time being a possibility- the thin blue line will be overridden by self-preservation
would be interesting to have a high profile instance of a cop rolling over on the other five to catch a deal
but ehhh
I was just typing up a response to chu that talked a little about eggshell when I thought:
ehhhh
Possibly an infected tooth that is impinging on a nerve?
I am not a doctor. Go see a doctor.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
do it.
you too, eddy. ten pages, my desk tomorrow.
bring the brinecloud with you
Damn ronya. Formal Eddy prays to you one time, once, for help with an essay. And then you think you can just boss any other students around?!
expected probabilities should be the only way to go, what are consequences but the outcomes of a random system etc etc
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
but did you not hear
Yeah, but it's a victim focused paradigm. It matters less than the fact one can usually get away with hurting suspects without leaving a literal body you have to explain than the fact the defendants killed an innocent person. Honestly, it makes sense, because dollar value wise is one thing, but really, turning to a young man's family and saying, "Well, in my defense, your son was a candyass, that doesn't normally kill people, now halve my sentence," has a cost that is difficult to measure in externality analysis.
Sure. The decision to go eggshell is, I think, more based on a desire to make victims whole than on concerns about guiding behavior.
I want to eat such a box.
I want to become such a box.
At the rate you're taking shots, squirrel, you can become anything you like.
*begins plans to devour a Gim*
I've already dealt with
I can't do anything about at the moment anyway
I'm pretty sure is going to work out OK regardless
Fuck you brain
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
but where is the burrito
Even on non-hardcore mode, I'm all "please don't find me, please don't find me, please don't find me"
Two boxes.
Zero boxes.
One burrito.
are they undermining the inscrutable and alien (and vague) nature of their foe(s)? i hope not.
begin the ceremony
Sometimes I start misspeaking a lot if I'm tired or hungry.
What I'm saying, I guess, is you should eat a Snickers.
One the one hand, that looks interesting.
But on the other, it's Pizza Hut.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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