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[Hearthstone] Tavern Brawls and new heroes are here!
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Hearthstone New Player Guide:
1. Install Game
2. Play through intro stuff (Mage training)
3. Unlock every class by defeating them
4. Choose a class and level it up to 10 in Play Mode (Preferably against the AI, but you can go in Casual/Constructed)
5. Do this with all the other classes (100 free gold!)
6. Go back and defeat all 9 Expert AI classes (100 free gold!)
7. Play an Arena run (it's free so don't worry about going 0-3)
8. Disenchant a card (typically a common 5 dust card) (95 free dust!)
9. Spend accumulated Gold (or purchase for $25) to buy the wings of Naxxramus (700 per wing)**
10. Complete Naxxramus completely for 30 new cards
11. Spend accumulated Gold (or purchase for $25) to buy the wings of Blackrock Mountain (700 per wing)**
12. Complete Blackrock Mountain completely for 31 new cards
13. Complete daily quests, and win any 3 games, to earn gold (in Casual or Constructed)
14. Either spend Gold on packs of cards (100/pack) or Arena (150/run)
15. Repeat steps 13 and 14
** = You can save a lot of time by buying the Adventure modes for $25 each. Grinding 3500 gold will take a long time to acquire, but it is free.
Arena can earn more cards and Gold once you get good at playing it. You always get a pack of cards in Arena regardless of your record. Rewards increase as you get more wins. Therefore, earning 50 Gold will have you break even since you get a 100 Gold pack of cards automatically. 50 Gold is about 3-4 wins depending on your rewards luck. Anything more than that is pure profit. Remember though, Arena rewards GvG packs and not Classic packs.
A special word from me:
Hearthstone is a fantastic and addicting game to play. The learning curve isn't overly steep, but remembering all the cards is tough to do. BE PREPARED TO LOSE A LOT AT FIRST! If you're new to the game, there are people that have been playing for over a year and have most, if not every, card in the game. It sucks getting smashed by what seems like a legion of Legendary minions, but keep going. Eventually you'll have your own Epic and Legendary cards and can hang with anyone. Besides, Legendary cards don't always mean instant wins. In many cases, you can sub out other common/basic cards in their place.
One last note, never EVER feel bad about asking for help or netdecking popular decks. Everyone does it (I know I certainly do!) and there's no shame in it. Creating decks by yourself can be fun and inventive, but there are people out there that play professionally and spend months creating optimal decks. Not only will netdecking help you create optimal decks, but you'll start to understand why certain cards are good and find interactions you may not have previously thought of. Finally, netdecking will help you know what your opponent is playing too. When everyone is netdecking, you can much more easily predict what they have have left in their deck/hand. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
So yeah, ask for help here often and netdeck popular decks.
Daily Quests and Gold earning:
You can earn gold by completing a daily quest or by winning 3 games against a human opponent in either Casual or Ranked modes. Ironically, Casual mode is more difficult than Ranked because you aren't as readily matched up to someone of your rank. Other notes about earning gold:
1. When you win 3 games, you earn 10 gold. You can earn up to 100 gold/day this way.
2. If you get a quest you don't like, you can "reroll" it by hitting the red "X" button in the corner of the quest.
3. You can only reroll one quest per day.
4. You can reroll a previously rerolled quest.
5. Try to not have more than 3 active quests or you'll lose out on a new daily quest.
6. The "Win 7 games in any mode" quest is worth 100 gold. In addition, wins against the AI count.
7. The "Spectate" quest allows you to earn a free pack of Classic cards just by watching another person win. FREE CARDS WOOO!
8. You can complete multiple quests at the same time (ie. Win 2 games with Paladin/Rogue and Win 2 games with Paladin/Warrior both get credit if you win with Paladin)
Card rarity, identification, and dust values:
1. Look at the center of the card for a gem.
2. If the card has no gem, it is a "soulbound" card and cannot be crafted or dusted. Basically, it's a starting card.
3. If the gem is white, the card is common. These cards can be crafted for 40 dust or dusted for 5.
4. If the gem is blue, the card is rare. These cards can be crafted for 100 dust or dusted for 20.
5. If the gem is purple, the card is epic. These cards can be crafted for 400 dust or dusted for 100.
6. If the gem is orange, the card is legendary. These cards can be crafted for 1600 dust or dusted for 400.
7. Dusting a golden version of a card earns you the creation value. Example: A golden rare dusts for 100 instead of 20.
8. It's highly recommended you dust golden cards unless you don't have two copies of it already.
Supplemental Card Creation Guide:
1. Do not dust cards until you have more than 2 copies of a card
2. Unless you're committed to a class, it's better to craft neutral minions first (Sylvannas, Dr. Boom, Ragnaros, etc)
3. Dusting Gold cards earn lots more dust (unless you care about that bling look)
4. Try to only create Epic or Legendary (commons and rares will come via packs)
5. Ask us here before dusting something like a Legendary (see Legendary crafting link below)
Important Turns to Learn:
As you play, you'll encounter a turn where your entire board of minions gets wiped out. At first you'll think this is unfair, until you realize that it isn't all that bad. Every class has Area of Effect (AoE) attacks to deal with lots of minions. Sometimes they are single cards, other times combos of cards. Either way, you need to learn when to expect these clears from happening.
The most common and widely known version of an AoE is Flamestrike from Mage. That spell does 4 damage to all minions for 7 mana. While that is a lot, and can easily swing the game in her favor, remember that it isn't unstoppable. On Turn 6, try not to play any additional minions that have less than 4 health. Or, put out minions that have deathrattles that spawn new minions (Piloted Shredder, Nurubian Egg, etc). That way, even if your board is mostly cleared, you still have minions to control and attack with.
Below is a list of very common board clear counts by class and mana. These are pretty important to remember and should be in the back of your mind every time you play. REMEMBER THAT THESE MANA COUNTS GO DOWN BY ONE IF YOUR OPPONENT IS GOING SECOND AND HASN'T USED THE COIN YET!
- Warrior: Whirlwind [1 mana] and Death's Bite [4 mana, weapon] deathrattle (1 damage to all minions), Brawl [5 mana] (destroy all minions but one chosen randomly), Revenge [2 mana] (deal 1 damage to all minions or 3 damage if health is 12 or less)
- Paladin: Consecration [4 mana] (2 damage to all enemies), Equality [2 mana] (change the health of all minions to 1, often combined with Wild Pyromancer [2 mana] to clear the board), Avenging Wrath [6 mana] (deal 8 damage randomly to enemy characters)
- Hunter: Explosive Trap [2 mana] (Secret, 2 damage to all enemies when your hero is attacked), Unleash the Hounds sort of (summon a 1/1 with Charge for each enemy minion)
- Shaman: Lightning Storm [3 mana, then 2 mana next turn] (2-3 damage to all enemy minions)
- Druid: Swipe [4 mana] (4 damage to one enemy, 1 damage to all other enemies), Starfall [5 mana] (5 damage to one enemy minion, or 2 damage to all enemy minions), Poison Seeds sort of [4 mana] (destroy all minions and replace them with 2/2 treants)
- Rogue: Blade Flurry [2 mana] (destroy your weapon and deal its attack value to all enemies, often comboed with rogue hero power + deadly poison for a 3 damage sweep), Fan of Knives [3 mana] (deal 1 damage to all enemy minions, draw a card), Dark Iron Skulker [5 mana] (deals 2 damage to all undamaged enemy minions)
- Priest: Holy Nova [5 mana] (2 damage to all enemies, 2 healing to all friendly characters), Auchenai Soulpriest [4 mana] + Circle of Healing [0 mana] (4 damage to all minions)
- Mage: Arcane Explosion [2 mana] (1 damage to all enemy minions), Blizzard [6 mana] (2 damage and freeze to all enemy minions), Flamestrike [7 mana] (4 damage to all enemy minions)
- Warlock: Hellfire [4 mana] (3 damage to all characters), Shadowflame [4 mana] (destroy a friendly minion and deal its attack value to all enemy minions), Demonwrath [3 mana] (2 damage to all non-Demon minions)
Most agreed upon order for crafting Legendary cards:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/5258-legendary-tier-crafting-guide
Here's a cheat-sheet for all the Secrets in the game:
http://i.imgur.com/gBpK4Yz.jpg
Adventure Modes and New Cards:
Hearthstone has been out for over a year now and has seen a lot of new content. These come in the form of Adventure Modes (single player stuff) and Expansion packs (new cards!). All of this new content can be found below. PLEASE NOTE! There is no reason to bang your head against the wall to complete Heroic boss fights. Completing them is very hard and the only reward is a special card back. Come back to them later after getting more cards in your inventory.
Blackrock Mountain pricing/cards/basic info:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Blackrock_Mountain
Naxxarams pricing/cards/basic info:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Curse_of_Naxxramas
Goblins vs Gnomes Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkdaUxWn3tEGeneral Game Information:
The game has FOUR play modes:
- Play - Build a 30-card deck and fight people in ranked or unranked matches.
- Solo Adventures - Practice against the AI or enter the Single Player themed adventures like The Curse of Naxxramas and Blackrock Mountain.
- Arena - Pay 150g, then pick a hero from a random selection of 3 heroes and draft a deck from a random pool of cards presented to you three at a time. Then battle other people who went through the same process to receive treasures!
Hearthstone revolves around two heroes summoning minions in a goal to bring the enemy hero to zero life. Think of it as a simpler version of Magic that favors quicker matches, and you're on the right track.
Here are class intros and pretty pictures:
Hero Power: Gain 1 Armor and +1 Attack this turn.
Style: Can accelerate with mana-boosting cards like Innervate. Many cards have two options, allowing for flexibility. Enjoys a good buff.
Weaknesses: Flexible cards tend to be overpriced. Weaker early game without acceleration. Lacks direct removal.
Hero Power: Deal 2 damage to opposing hero.
Style: Utilizes minions to rush down opponent. Great synergy with beast minions. Cheap removal.
Weaknesses: Removal tends to be random targets or secrets that can be played around. Beasts are typically mediocre without hunter synergies. Hero power has no effect on the board.
Hero Power: Deal 1 damage to any character.
Style: Lots of direct damage spells, and spells in general. Very control-oriented, using freeze and removal to keep enemies at bay. Polymorph is one of the best removal spells. Strong AoE damage. Strong finisher via Pyroblast.
Weaknesses: Only has a handful of solid minions. Incredibly vulnerable without any spells. Can be hamstrung if opponent heals enough.
Hero Power: Summon a 1/1 Silver Hand Recruit minion.
Style: Enjoys buffing minions and debuffing enemies. Great for weenie decks, but enjoys a slower, somewhat control-oriented game. Solid weapons, and lots of card draw.
Weaknesses: Has poor direct removal. Card draw is good, but either situational (Divine Favor) or expensive (Lay on Hands).
Hero Power: Restores 2 HP to a character.
Style: Control-oriented. Loves to buff minions, particularly HP. Steals opponents' crap, potentially resulting in massive card advantage. Lots of direct removal.
Weaknesses: Weak in the early game. Direct removal is conditional or expensive. People will think you're a jerk.
Hero Power: Summon a 1/2 weapon.
Unique Mechanic: Combo. Cards have an additional effect if you've already played a card earlier in the turn.
Style: Tends to go for rush-down. Lots of direct damage and weapons. Combo allows for cheap, powerful effects.
Weaknesses: Vulnerable late-game. Combo can lead to unfavorable opening hands. AoE spells tend to be poor.
Hero Power: Summons one of the following totems at random: Stoneclaw (0/2 Taunt), Healing (0/2, restores 1 HP to all friendly minions at end of turn), Searing Totem (1/1), Wrath of Air (0/2, +1 Spell Damage)
Unique Mechanic: Overload. You will be unable to spend X mana on your next turn. Think Echo from Magic and you're on the right track.
Style: Has a lot of play styles, being able to sling spells, use weapons, and solid minions. Overload allows for very efficient turns. Hex is among the best direct removal.
Weaknesses: Vulnerable on turns AFTER overload. Hero power is random, which will burn you.
Hero Power: Gain 2 Armor.
Style: Either very aggressive or very control oriented. Uses weapons to clear minions to set up powerful combos to win the game. Dominate control play but very expensive in dust
Weaknesses: Hero Power has little direct impact in the game. Removal is very cheap but is random or conditional (Execute, Brawl). Damage spells, particularly AoE, are poor. Takes a ton of damage from weapon use.
Hero Power: Deal 2 damage to your hero. Draw a card.
Style: Can go for an aggressive early game with very cheap demons. Hero Power is among the best in the game. Good synergy with demons.
Weaknesses: Powerful cards tend to have bad drawbacks. Removal tends to be weak (Mortal Coil) or carry big drawbacks (Soulfire). Hero Power can hurt your late game.
Grobian's list of less intuitive facts:
- Max handsize is 10 cards. Any card over that is drawn then immediately destroyed.
- You can't have more than 7 minions on the board.
- If you draw from an empty deck, each "card" you draw instead damages you, beginning at 1 damage and increasing by 1 damage each draw.
- If multiple things happen at the same time (e.g. trigger at the end of the turn) they happen in the order their respective cards have been played.
- There are hidden quests/achievements that award gold, notably: 100g for beating all Expert AIs, 100g for playing every class to level 10 and 300g for 100 wins total.
- The Shaman hero power always calls one of the 4 totems that isn't out yet. If you get a totem bounced to your hand, you can play a second one, though.
- The hunter spell Animal Companion just calls a random of the 3 possible minions.
- The Warlock spell Sense Demons gives you 1/1 imps for 1 mana if you don't have (any more) demons in your deck.
- Stealth overrides Taunt, not the other way around.
- Stealth is only for the enemy, you can buff your stealthed minions.
- Priest: Shadowform refreshes your hero power, so you can use it twice in a turn.
- Druid: Wild Growth at 10 mana crystals awards you a spell "Excess Mana" which draws a card for 0.
- More comprehensive list of oddities here
Hearthstone strategy and resource links
Easy intro to Hearthstone in an image.
Full daily quest list here.
TeamLiquid's new Hearthstone siteLiquidHearth
TeamLiquid's Hearthstone Article Portal, a collection of all articles they've done. A good place to start.
HearthHead - Best Arena draft practice, decklists, deck builder, card db
Hearthpwn - Practice Arena drafts, decklists, deck builder, card db. Same stuff different layout.
Chrome Hearthstone Card mouseover extension - Easily find out what all those cards people are talking about do without leaving the thread!
Trump's Neutral Common guide for Arena
A basic/starter guide site for our newer players.
Here's a deck-tracking google spreadsheet made by our own Muffintron:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a7ucOq8Jv3Ooes694eXxIOdX-zsCuFA_PeSyuVZsUvA/edit?usp=sharing
From Muffintron:
I've got it set-up so that I have a folder for each of the classes, and a spreadsheet for each deck, then I use individual sheets within that spreadsheet to keep track of the deck changes over time.
Just go File -> Make a copy to get a copy on to your google drive.
To use: put in the cards for the deck: Quantity, Mana cost, Name, Type (Spell, Weapon or Minion) and Rarity (Soulbound, Common, Rare, Epic, Legendary and Naxxramas).
The sheet should take care of the rest.
Decent streamers/youtube clips to watch, to learn!
- Trump: Twitch | YouTube
- Kripparian: Twitch | YouTube
- Hafu: Twitch | YouTube
- Ellohime: Twitch
- apDrop: Twitch
- ek0p: Twitch | YouTube
- Reynad: Twitch | YouTube
- Amaz: Twitch | YouTube
- Guardsmanbob: Twitch | YouTube
- tidesoftime: Twitch
- Kolento: Twitch
- Strifecro: Twitch | YouTube
- Hotform: Twitch | YouTube
- Ratsmah: Twitch | YouTube
Here's a list of PA people who don't mind if you spectate while they play.
*PM me, MNC Dover, to get added to the list*
**This is not a friends list. That is located at the top of this post!**
mnc dover/mncdover#1994
hippofant/hippofant#1651
crucialityfactor/cruciality#1743
Webber/Webber #1330
Ing/Inq#1974
MMMig/MMMig#1238
Grobian/grobian#1937
Creamstout/Pub#1592
vari/vari#1998
jurg/Jurg#1365
chaosHat/ChaosHat#1637
Eclipse/Eclipse#1200
Snowglobe/Eman#1234
ShadowofVT/Shadow#1525
Konphujun/Konphujun#1458
Lux782/CanisUrsa#1339
The Escape Goat/EscapeGoat#1913
Teriferin/Teriferin#1625Orestus
Orestus/Orestus#1202
belligerent/holyground#1665
zhen_rogue/Cygnus#1972
marty81/Dex#1696
Ketbra/Ketbra#1692
Drows/Drowsy#1698
Grunt's Ghosts/GruntsGhosts#1652
spacecaptaindickjustice/1928dickjustice#1928
cloudeagle/Wordherder#1808
Lehman/LehmanCM#1350
colorlessgreen/Ceegee#1473
azith28/Shodan#1202
GoodKingJayIII/Threeve#1501
Spaffy/adamjnet#2801
TheBlackWind/TheBlackWind#1335
And finally, here's my dog Daisy doing Hearthstone tricks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMi7Gr9jikA Need a voice actor? Hire me at bengrayVO.com
Legends of Runeterra: MNCdover #moc
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Nah. I like mine better.
Steam: YOU FACE JARAXXUS| Twitch.tv: CainLoveless
Which I guess is the only way a warlock game designer can be.
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Jaraxxus is always a good craft. Just listen to those beautiful emotes.
Ladder favors midrange and combo right now. Control decks are pretty shitty at the moment. Try midrange druid or zoo lock. Freeze mage might also be a decent option with just how many zoo decks are running around right now.
I'm convinced my neighbors will call the police, so concerned they must be with the hollering and swearing.
That happened to me while I was playing at work and the effort it took to not bang on the wall was... extraordinary.
Hey, at least the fire alarm didn't go off while you were about to win and go 5/2 in arena
(I'm in a dorm atm so fire alarm means I gotta beat it)
If I had a dollar for every time I ignored the fire alarm at my various college friend's dorms, I would have a couple of dollars.
Look, there's no pause in Counter-Strike, okay?
Only three of those were caused by people in my room.
For the other; the fire trucks always pull up, a bunch of guys troop out and into the basement, and then the alarm goes off.
It's pretty obvious what's happening.
So FYI y'all, for context, I was complaining to @Grobian that I'd gotten wrecked twice this week by Redemption, the first directly leading to a loss and the second... probably being a major contributor.
#1 was losing my T2 as a Druid testing for Noble Sacrifice, then trading thinking it'd be Avenge and do nothing... only to have my opponent's 2-drop survive, and then proceed to go on to wreck me on curve. #2 was going up against a Scarlet Crusader and a Spider Tank, taking out the Crusader first thinking it'd be Avenge (and with a Shadow Word: Death ready for it). Urrrrrgh.
Also @PacMan1979, the fact that you take a screenshot of your computer using a phone bafflegabs me.
My dorm had a bunch of restaurants in the bottom, so the fire alarm went off nearly daily. So of course everyone just closed their doors and ignored it. One time I slept through it, and when I woke up and wandered into the common area, I looked out the window to see that another part of the roof was literally on fire.
The moral of the story being, daily fire drills are bad.
Strifecro is streaming nightly now
Hotform is a high level Canadian player
Ratsmah is my go to arena streamer these days
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So now I'm back to debating what legendary to craft next or if I should acquire missing class epics instead. It's a nice debate to have.
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Added, although I had to find their YT channels. The hard work of an OP creator is never done.
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Speaking of arena, @Teriferin approves, which is always a good thing
Streaming 8PST on weeknights
Edit: He just dropped the second soulfire out of 6, missing lethal on control warrior :c
Aaaaaaawwwwww yeah. I knew buying those extra two packs after impulse buying three was a good idea!
(I also opened two preps today. Might use them to refine Pirogue a bit further. Still haven't opened an SI7 Agent ever!)
I just hate playing fair.
That code hasn't been datamined yet. However, enter this code during the opponent matching wheel:
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
Interestingly enough, this code does something different for each class:
Mage: Mana Wyrm
Priest: Northshire Cleric or Zombie Chow
Druid: Wild Growth
Warrior: Fiery War Axe
Rogue: Backstab
Shaman: Flame Totem
Warlock: Void Walker or Flame Imp
Hunter: Leper Gnome or Wargon Infiltrator
Paladin: Zombie Chow or Shielded Minibot
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Nightly pulls of the fire alarm by some asshole who just wanted to piss everyone off is worse. My Dorm had this happening so often that an imprompto 'neighborhood watch' was started where people were sleeping on the ground in front of all the fire alarms trying to catch the bastard.
No. That code is used for mages to get a flamestrike at the draw of turn 7.
I've been running the Chinese Lightbomb Priest deck and it is doing very well for me. Even the Patron matchup, which is supposed to be unfavorable, usually ends in a win since Lightbomb or a Velen's Chosen Holy Nova will clear their whole board. Handlock is still tough, but it's not an auto-loss, and the deck easily beats zoo.
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I'm against one of those hyper aggro Flamewaker mages, and my draw is shit awful. I had one weapon and one Shield Slam in the top 20 cards of my deck (yes, really). Haven't drawn Brawl. My only hope is to Nefarian and get something good.
Double Frost Nova.
Okay, okay, that stalls for time against his giant board. I drop Thaurissan and Frost Nova, he kills the Thaurissan with Frost Bolt + spellpower + ping. Next turn I drop my now discounted Ysera and Frost Nova.
Ysera Awakens.
I cast it, kill his entire board, I'm at 2 health 2 armor with Ysera vs. the Mage at mostly full health, and they instantly concede.
Mostly lost with control Warrior last night (partially bad matchups being common, partially reeaaally shit awful draws [like in 8 or 9 of the 12 or so games I played, 3 of my 4 Shield Slams/Executes were in the last 10 or 12 cards of the deck]), but it felt nice to finally be blessed by RNJesus.
Sometimes a deck just doesn't mesh with your playstyle. If you're not balls to the wall aggro that deck may not be for you.
(like seriously this is a deck where sometimes the correct move is turn 4 arcane missiles/arcane missiles/frostbolt face to activate Flamewaker and pump Mana Wyrm).