I am totally super pleased about this, totally ...
Yaaaay
You can also tell that I operate with no bias when I report on spaceflight news >_>
The good news (for privatized spaceflight) is that a sweeping amendment has been put forth that could balance the numbers a little bit, though it is apparently unlikely to gain traction
I've never spoken about NASA's super-heavy launch vehicle proposal , mostly because it's never flown (I tend not to get too excited until I see a thing do the thing it promised it could do). And while I do appreciate and recognize the need for a super-heavy lifter (which no commercial enterprise currently supplies - ULA operates the launch vehicle with the most capability, the Delta IV Heavy , while anything heavier flies on the ESA's Ariane V or on a Russian vehicle), I had hoped that it's development would not come at the expense of the Commercial Crew program.
This is hardly a death knell, but it's certainly a financial setback - things move slower when there aren't dollars to grease the wheels!
Development for the Space Launch System includes development of the Orion spacecraft which is pretty cool, I guess.
It's no Dragon.
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Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
Claiming people overreact and then going "see! see! overreacting!" when people react isn't actually proving your case though.
Like it can entirely be the case that people are reacting with the proper degree of reactionness to some dumb shit you said.
nah, it's a total overreaction imo.
I also think that a lot of the basis for the backlash that I'm seeing on fb/twitter comes from Seinfeld being an old white dude, because like I said, there wasn't even nearly the same level of vitriol levelled against Chris Rock for expressing the same opinion a few months back
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he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
The use of physical actions in metaphors is pretty common in the English language and complaining about it seems like an especially useless thing to do.
And come on, if people want to censor they're going to censor whether you call it punching down or cuddling down.
Whoa whoa, we can't have anyone say anything offensive in a comedy routine.
I think the appropriate sequence of events is
Comedian says funny/offensive thing
Some people laugh
Others say "woah what was up with that shit?"
Depending on many factors, comedian either continues as is, adjusts the joke, or jettisons the joke.
I've never felt like it's a comedian's job to never say terrible shit. They kind of make a living out of playing with that line. It's just that it's their job to... listen to the reaction to their jokes.
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
what are you even talking about
it's an analogy because saying "don't joke about people lower down on the socio economic/political/social scale than you because (a) it's low hanging fruit (b) probably full of hate and (c) probably not funny coming from someone in your position" doesn't have the same ring to it
i often see 'even if it's not offensive, it's not funny' as a proxy for 'it is offensive'. it seems like kind of a goofy sidetrack to the conversation. to resolve it, just imagine the joke in question was funny.
idk it seems a little like deflection.
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This historical revisionism of Seinfeld not being funny is mind boggling to me
The stand up or the tv show -- I was never terribly interested in his stand up but the TV show is one of (if not the) greatest sitcoms of all time, and he had a lot to do with that.
edit: the stand up thing could have a lot to do with age, it was a little before my time
"college students don't understand ______" is a pretty reasoned viewpoint
Except, you know, making fun of the gays for being effeminate is not good.
it's lazy comedy. a low-hanging fruit, if you will.
I don't think that's a fair description of the joke
True it's not a fair description of the joke.
Rather the joke relies on the assumption that gay people are effeminate. Also the French. Or at least their kings though that one is a bit tougher to check if true right now.
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"...oh and also you totally can mention those people in your jokes. No one is banning you from doing that but don't make them the butt of your joke because have a bit of fucking decorum" should be tacked on the end there for good measure
Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
Claiming people overreact and then going "see! see! overreacting!" when people react isn't actually proving your case though.
Like it can entirely be the case that people are reacting with the proper degree of reactionness to some dumb shit you said.
nah, it's a total overreaction imo.
I also think that a lot of the basis for the backlash that I'm seeing on fb/twitter comes from Seinfeld being an old white dude, because like I said, there wasn't even nearly the same level of vitriol levelled against Chris Rock for expressing the same opinion a few months back
Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not just going to take your word on it that it is a total overreaction.
What Seinfeld said seems to be pretty stupid, and I haven't seen anything I would label overreaction. Maybe I just missed it though.
e continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
I think Jerry himself missed the joke from his daughter there
"college students don't understand ______" is a pretty reasoned viewpoint
Except, you know, making fun of the gays for being effeminate is not good.
it's lazy comedy. a low-hanging fruit, if you will.
I don't think that's a fair description of the joke
True it's not a fair description of the joke.
Rather the joke relies on the assumption that gay people are effeminate. Also the French. Or at least their kings though that one is a bit tougher to check if true right now.
if he said 'flamboyant king' the joke still stands
I disagree that it relies on anything about gay people
if you don't find it funny, okay. but as someone who does, a punchline without 'gay' or even 'french' still works.
it absolutely uses gay, and yes french people as an unnecessary butt of the joke. I agree.
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
e continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
I think Jerry himself missed the joke from his daughter there
I posted the actual joke and interview.
It is the top hit on Seinfeld and Seth Meyers on youtube.
You can just watch it and decide.
I feel maybe that is the best idea because I am not sure tons of folks watched it after I even posted it.
Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
Claiming people overreact and then going "see! see! overreacting!" when people react isn't actually proving your case though.
Like it can entirely be the case that people are reacting with the proper degree of reactionness to some dumb shit you said.
nah, it's a total overreaction imo.
I also think that a lot of the basis for the backlash that I'm seeing on fb/twitter comes from Seinfeld being an old white dude, because like I said, there wasn't even nearly the same level of vitriol levelled against Chris Rock for expressing the same opinion a few months back
there rings a hint of truthiness to the idea that Jerry was implying he knows better than college students everywhere (who are a large number of people) what racism, sexism, and prejudice are really like, and that may be a bit problematic to some people who have experienced those things (yes even college kids!)
not that he can't have experienced those as a white dude but you see why people might go "hmm" or may be a bit more accepting of Chris Rock saying something about racism (I read his quote and it was more analogous to people complaining about tumblr to me but yeah)
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he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
"college students don't understand ______" is a pretty reasoned viewpoint
Except, you know, making fun of the gays for being effeminate is not good.
it's lazy comedy. a low-hanging fruit, if you will.
I don't think that's a fair description of the joke
True it's not a fair description of the joke.
Rather the joke relies on the assumption that gay people are effeminate. Also the French. Or at least their kings though that one is a bit tougher to check if true right now.
if he said 'flamboyant king' the joke still stands
I disagree that it relies on anything about gay people
if you don't find it funny, okay. but as someone who does, a punchline without 'gay' or even 'french' still works.
it absolutely uses gay, and yes french people as an unnecessary butt of the joke. I agree.
If he had used something it would be better, yes. But he didn't. I'm not talking about the joke he could have made. I'm talking about the one he did make. Then proceeded to get upset when criticized.
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
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Senate subcommittee vastly underfunded Commercial Crew (SpaceX Dragon v2, ULA, etc) in favour of additional funding for NASAs super-big overly-complicated, super-expensive proprietary launcher
I am totally super pleased about this, totally ...
Yaaaay
You can also tell that I operate with no bias when I report on spaceflight news >_>
The good news (for privatized spaceflight) is that a sweeping amendment has been put forth that could balance the numbers a little bit, though it is apparently unlikely to gain traction
I've never spoken about NASA's super-heavy launch vehicle proposal , mostly because it's never flown (I tend not to get too excited until I see a thing do the thing it promised it could do). And while I do appreciate and recognize the need for a super-heavy lifter (which no commercial enterprise currently supplies - ULA operates the launch vehicle with the most capability, the Delta IV Heavy , while anything heavier flies on the ESA's Ariane V or on a Russian vehicle), I had hoped that it's development would not come at the expense of the Commercial Crew program.
This is hardly a death knell, but it's certainly a financial setback - things move slower when there aren't dollars to grease the wheels!
Development for the Space Launch System includes development of the Orion spacecraft which is pretty cool, I guess.
It's no Dragon.
nah, it's a total overreaction imo.
I also think that a lot of the basis for the backlash that I'm seeing on fb/twitter comes from Seinfeld being an old white dude, because like I said, there wasn't even nearly the same level of vitriol levelled against Chris Rock for expressing the same opinion a few months back
I don't think that's a fair description of the joke
As someone who has returned to university as an adult it holds true in at least 60% of cases.
not a person in the world would think that I was equating it to actual violence. That's... just, what?
The use of physical actions in metaphors is pretty common in the English language and complaining about it seems like an especially useless thing to do.
And come on, if people want to censor they're going to censor whether you call it punching down or cuddling down.
like i think that's step one, and then step two is finding out whether his jokes are funny enough to be granted immunity from the PC police
you can't rhyme I'm good with should not
what kind of lazy bullshit slant rhyme garbage is this
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I will not say what I think will happen but I'm just saying I'm calling it
at least, not anything offensive to me
roight
I think the appropriate sequence of events is
Comedian says funny/offensive thing
Some people laugh
Others say "woah what was up with that shit?"
Depending on many factors, comedian either continues as is, adjusts the joke, or jettisons the joke.
I've never felt like it's a comedian's job to never say terrible shit. They kind of make a living out of playing with that line. It's just that it's their job to... listen to the reaction to their jokes.
EDIT: That happened sooner than I thought.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
what are you even talking about
it's an analogy because saying "don't joke about people lower down on the socio economic/political/social scale than you because (a) it's low hanging fruit (b) probably full of hate and (c) probably not funny coming from someone in your position" doesn't have the same ring to it
It was alright. Had some good bits. Nothing special.
idk it seems a little like deflection.
you could put this on my tombstone
Seinfeld, the TV show was funny
Jerry Seinfeld, the stand up comedian
uh
The stand up or the tv show -- I was never terribly interested in his stand up but the TV show is one of (if not the) greatest sitcoms of all time, and he had a lot to do with that.
edit: the stand up thing could have a lot to do with age, it was a little before my time
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Oh, i didn't mean to say his gay french king joke was bad, sorry.
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True it's not a fair description of the joke.
Rather the joke relies on the assumption that gay people are effeminate. Also the French. Or at least their kings though that one is a bit tougher to check if true right now.
We need another revolution in France. Did they ever finish cleaning up the blood from the last one?
Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not just going to take your word on it that it is a total overreaction.
What Seinfeld said seems to be pretty stupid, and I haven't seen anything I would label overreaction. Maybe I just missed it though.
I think Jerry himself missed the joke from his daughter there
and also it has become it's own internet meme so I mean
oh like he needs to conform to Big Rhyme
if he said 'flamboyant king' the joke still stands
I disagree that it relies on anything about gay people
if you don't find it funny, okay. but as someone who does, a punchline without 'gay' or even 'french' still works.
it absolutely uses gay, and yes french people as an unnecessary butt of the joke. I agree.
if Seinfeld was a hack I don't think so many huge comedians right now would consider him a big influence
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
I can indeed confirm that large swaths of Texas unfortunately exist!
Though other, smaller swaths fortunately exist too!
I posted the actual joke and interview.
It is the top hit on Seinfeld and Seth Meyers on youtube.
You can just watch it and decide.
I feel maybe that is the best idea because I am not sure tons of folks watched it after I even posted it.
there rings a hint of truthiness to the idea that Jerry was implying he knows better than college students everywhere (who are a large number of people) what racism, sexism, and prejudice are really like, and that may be a bit problematic to some people who have experienced those things (yes even college kids!)
not that he can't have experienced those as a white dude but you see why people might go "hmm" or may be a bit more accepting of Chris Rock saying something about racism (I read his quote and it was more analogous to people complaining about tumblr to me but yeah)
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maybe I'll give Jerry a call
Whaaaaat
If he had used something it would be better, yes. But he didn't. I'm not talking about the joke he could have made. I'm talking about the one he did make. Then proceeded to get upset when criticized.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this
what
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