It blows my mind that "history" and "heritage" get trotted out as arguments in favor of the Confederate flag
Like uh
That argument don't fly in Germany, I tell ya what
we've had 150 years of whitewashing and Confederate sympathizers have been able to affect a lot of change on the narrative around the history of the Civil War
such that claiming the Civil War was fought over slavery is highly controversial
They had a dude on NPR they interviewed from Charleston.
His statement, paraphrased, "Its about remembering history and a time when money flowed in the South."
Yes money from chattel slavery and a plantation based economy.
Yup. Good history to remember and be proud of there.
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
it's not an excuse
but it is the explanation of current attitudes
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
Yeah I mean, I'm from Tennessee and have deep family roots in the South and I don't think this is really any sort of defensible argument.
You know what it stands for. It's not actually complicated. Pretending it's complicated is disingenuous at best.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
shark'd!
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
for me, best cocktail is a rye old fashioned
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jakobaggerLO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTOREDRegistered Userregular
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
it's not an excuse
but it is the explanation of current attitudes
I wasn't looking for that
i guess i don't know the answer you seek if it's not "150 years of ingrained ignorance and narrative manipulation"
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
Yeah I mean, I'm from Tennessee and have deep family roots in the South and I don't think this is really any sort of defensible argument.
You know what it stands for. It's not actually complicated. Pretending it's complicated is disingenuous at best.
It is not complicated or excusable nor should it be anything but appalling.
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
it's not an excuse
but it is the explanation of current attitudes
I wasn't looking for that
I mean, the real explanation is that racists think black people stole their god-given prosperity from them, and the confederate flag (to them) represents a time when that wasn't true.
The fact that the time they're thinking of never actually existed doesn't mean anything. But the rural south isn't exactly known for its top-flight education, so...
a5ehren on
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
it's not an excuse
but it is the explanation of current attitudes
I wasn't looking for that
i guess i don't know the answer you seek if it's not "150 years of ingrained ignorance and narrative manipulation"
My original post was a statement, not a question
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
This is a nice summation of its complicated history in the US.
Remember stuff like the Nazi flag aren't banned either.
Not really talking about banning
Talking about the argument
Talking about acceptable behaviour and what you should do
Not what you are forced to do
I am heading out as my 8 hours of boredom and stupidity here are over at work.
But it has to do with the flag is acceptable because as Chanus pointed out there has been a century of whitewashing the War, the reasons behind it and even the society it was fought for.
Guess what? That has a lasting effect. And thus the flag is seen as a historical symbol of pride not one tied to some of the most heinous acts in this countries history.
Complicated historical and cultural interactions that are not washed away quickly.
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
it's not an excuse
but it is the explanation of current attitudes
I wasn't looking for that
i guess i don't know the answer you seek if it's not "150 years of ingrained ignorance and narrative manipulation"
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Czar'd!
i was home (in SC) this weekend for a wedding
my brothers said exactly this
they were both born in new york
guyyys come onnnn
n-no
Worse than off-brand candy corn.
i miss beartato's friend, the bird guy
Yo in that Tube thread they were saying 'ghosted' for occurrences like this and I was super confused at first
And then I realized that not everyone is us and that was a pretty upsetting realization so I had to go lie down
None of that has meaning to me
So I'm not sympathetic to the argument
At best, you're saying it comes from a place of deep-seated ignorance and cultural whitewashing
I don't think that's an excuse, quite frankly
Or a heritage worth anything.
now all I think about clawshrimp, all I really can recall is digimon porn
just as reference it cropped up from the user Grey Ghost being quicker on the draw than lots of people in SE
because killing Dickson was not easy and I want to SAVE
NNID: Hakkekage
no one in the south has the least bit of excuse, yet many of them continue to defend the flag. mazzy is trying to explain why that is the case.
it's not an excuse
but it is the explanation of current attitudes
I agree with you 100%.
Which is why I'm baffled that I like jagerbombs. They don't taste like licorice to me at all.
I wasn't looking for that
Yeah I mean, I'm from Tennessee and have deep family roots in the South and I don't think this is really any sort of defensible argument.
You know what it stands for. It's not actually complicated. Pretending it's complicated is disingenuous at best.
please send all the unwanted licorice in your lives t me I will eat it
Thank you, I always appreciate context
I'm not sure how Czar'd became a thing, I missed that day. A rich man likes it though and I like the rich man, so I support it.
i guess i don't know the answer you seek if it's not "150 years of ingrained ignorance and narrative manipulation"
It is not complicated or excusable nor should it be anything but appalling.
should be required reading for anyone who pays attention to what is happening in america and race right now
i can dig
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
this is not a story to pass on
I mean, the real explanation is that racists think black people stole their god-given prosperity from them, and the confederate flag (to them) represents a time when that wasn't true.
The fact that the time they're thinking of never actually existed doesn't mean anything. But the rural south isn't exactly known for its top-flight education, so...
if getting up at 12:30 is the only problem just take it earlier
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
My original post was a statement, not a question
fair point