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[Terminator] Read this thread if you want to live
Atomika
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Once upon a time several timelines, there was a robit:
a girl:
her boyfriend:
their kid:
and a whole bunch of these guys:
OBJECTIVES:
- DISCUSS TERMINATOR MOVIES
- DISCUSS TERMINATOR TELEVISION SHOW
- TERMINATE SARAH CONNOR
- ACQUIRE CLOTHES -> BOOTS -> MOTORCYCLE
- POST NUDES OF SUMMER GLAU AS CAMERON [OBJECTIVE DENIED BY RESISTENCE FORCES]
- DESTROY RESISTENCE FORCES
SPOILERS ENABLED
FUCK YOU
ASSHOLE
a girl:
her boyfriend:
their kid:
and a whole bunch of these guys:
OBJECTIVES:
- DISCUSS TERMINATOR MOVIES
- DISCUSS TERMINATOR TELEVISION SHOW
- TERMINATE SARAH CONNOR
- ACQUIRE CLOTHES -> BOOTS -> MOTORCYCLE
- POST NUDES OF SUMMER GLAU AS CAMERON [OBJECTIVE DENIED BY RESISTENCE FORCES]
- DESTROY RESISTENCE FORCES
SPOILERS ENABLED
FUCK YOU
ASSHOLE
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It does have a pretty major tonal shift for how Cameron (Summer Glau) acts after the pilot episode, but eh, I can live with that.
Garret Dillahunt makes for an excellent robit. The guy they have playing him in the pilot is laughably bad.
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Two seasons, actually.
The second was a bore.
Parts of S2 were good.
The whole show was a mixed bag.
I still miss it. It's #2 on my list of shows I wish went longer.
So it did. For some reason I misremembered the bit with
I mean, I'm not sure why she thought she could blend in with red hair. Gingers are known to be soulless killing machines; it's too obvious.
I liked the babby Ahnuld face on the T-800. Very convincing, especially compared to the one from a few years ago...
The best tho was the makeup on Pops in 1984; he was an older Ahnuld, looking perhaps like he did in the third movie, but I really didn't notice at all until genuine no-makeup Ahnuld showed up for the 2017 scenes.
Best effect is the one you don't notice, I guess!
The Shirley Manson Terminator was the best.
We needed more of her.
More people would do well to remember this.
T1 and T2 had some of the best DVDs back in the day, just packed with great special features, menus, and commentary.
I loved Stan Winston talking about doing work for 1&2, and learning the lesson of "if you're going to build a 6 and a half foot robotic skeleton made of steel, don't make it out of steel. It's damn heavy."
Winston and team working with Arnold for the hallway walk at Cyberdyne so that Arnold's gait/stride would match the puppet's when the swat team is shooting.
Also, I think one of the biggest problems TSCC had is how it made the Terminators too expendable. The Terminators in T1 and T2 were portrayed as incredibly durable and hard to kill. There was a big horror element to their relentlessness and near indestructibility. There was a lot of tension in T1 and a genuine sense of, "how are Kyle and Sarah going to beat the Terminators?" In T2, things really seemed hopeless when the T-1000 started beating the T-800.
There was never anything even approaching that level of suspense in TSCC. Sure, it makes sense that a Terminator probably can't survive 50 caliber rounds to the eye or anti-armor shotgun shells but it takes away too much of the horror and suspense elements that were so important to the first two films when the good guys have relatively convenient ways to kill Terminators. Although, it was really stupid how they could remove the panel protecting the Terminator's chip with a pocket knife. The deleted scene in T2 that's based on showed Sarah using power tools to open that hatch.
I need to rewatch the movies some time since it's been many, many years. I see a lot of people talking about how much they think T2 is the better movie, and that is not how I remember it in my head.
Actually that's more my complaint about Teminator: General Sherman than TSCC. They chump the main terrifying villains of the first two movies in 20 minutes. TSCC had Cromartie hounding them for a season and a half, if I recall correctly. There were a small number of one episode Terminators (my favorites were the 1920s real estate baron who inadvertently struck a blow against racism, and the contortionist Cameron fought in the elevator), but they avoided a "terminator of the week" format for the most part.
It's a solid movie overall but pretty dated. The effects are decent, great work with miniatures in the future scenes and the stop-motion endoskeleton manages to still be menacing despite how jerky it looks. The score it hit or miss - the main theme is of course excellent while the tracks that play during the chases/action scenes are just too 80s to be taken seriously. The man-vs-machine theme is absolutely everywhere, right down to Sarah's answering machine message "You're talking to a machine!" But the script is tight, everyone's actions make sense, and its shortcomings kind of make sense when you realize it's essentially just a slasher flick with a sci-fi twist.
T2 as a whole is much, much more polished and slick. It builds off the first in sensible ways, ups the stakes both in the story and production. The effects are now top-notch, no rubbery fake Arnold head to be seen. Sarah and co turning proactive in the back half, no longer running from their pursuer but turning the tables on Skynet, is a welcome departure from where the first film left off, which was basically "Doomsday is coming, you can't stop it you can only prepare." Overall it's one of the few sequels I feel is unequivocally better than the original, even if it does borrow too heavily from T1 at times (the climactic freeway scenes are structured almost identically, though T2's is longer and more fleshed out).
But the hero having superhuman durability/physical capabilities and the action being extremely exaggerate has become so ubiquitous in action movies that I can't even fault individual films for that.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
The Terminator movie franchise has never been about mowing down armies of disposable mooks. You only fight if you can't run, and you don't fight to win, you fight to get away, at least until you can control the battle on your own terms.
This has bothered me for years.
How did the liquid metal terminators go through time?
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Really, how did any of them? They say anything that travels has to be encased in organic material because of the magnetic field, but since when is human flesh protection from a strong magnetic field? And if it is, why couldn't they just grow skin and wrap it around some 40 watt range phased plasma rifles, send those back, and pre-judgement day the shit out of everything.
They can simulate flesh really well.
- Not sending back any weapons/equipment other than infiltration units is to minimise risk of discovery/unanticipated undesirable timeline disruption. (Could be separated from terminator, or immediately recognised as out of place etc). Plentiful easily obtainable weapons found in past perfectly good for killing humans anyway.
- Resistance doesn't have time/ability to be growing flesh on equipment to send into the past
- Possible future plot point!?
I haven't seen the new movie but John Conner's life is basically boiled down to - run, fight, die someday without the machines losing. And he is almost always alone til the actual apocalypse. and marked for death by a computer that will never ever give up and invents time machine to kill him and his mother in the past they are so dedicated to this idea of killing him.
In SCC Season 2 Finale something amazing has happened. He has broken free of the time loop.
Skynet doesn't know who he is - he hadn't become the amazing leader who is humanity last hope, he's not stuck in the past being hunted by countless robots that no one else believes in, etc.
He is in the future fighting the robots but he's got his family (even if they don't know who he is) and a live action version of his robot and there is no hiding and running - he is fighting out in the open with all the other remaining humans.
Really it's the best possible life for him.
Yeah, that's the theory we're given,
But we learn that from Reese, who was told that by John, who was told that by Sarah, who was told that by Reese.
just saying, it's possible that he wasn't telling the truth. Possible that he didn't know the truth, because who would know aside from Skynet? Somehow, I doubt Skynet was available for many interviews post nuking the planet.
But it can't simulate chemicals or moving parts
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Because John had outdated information at that point and didn't realize that Skynet had improved the design to permit the transmission of the liquid metal by using the technology advances gleaned from the Terminator at the end of T1 to improve itself in the new timeline.
Skynet has to die...
They turned it into the ME3 Star-kid.
Kyle gives like a two-line explanation of time travel to the police and ends with, "Fuck, I didn't build the thing!" so we're obviously supposed to handwave most of this stuff.
Maybe the ORIGINAL Skynet is a time traveler to start with?
I want more John Henry, that actor killed it.
The whole scene in the house where Brian Austin Green gets shot down is one of my favorite, most unexpected, well done television moments in history. I love how John Henry says something like "She's in the kitchen, we won't be going that way." when trying to get the kid to move and out of the house without seeing the body.
But this is a franchise that definitely starts to fall apart more and more with every additional entry. T2 is amazing but introduces exactly this question.
IIRC, Terminator Salvation's original shooting draft had an ending straight out of Phillip K. Dick, where our heroes finally break into Skynet to discover all the robots just hanging out and being chill, because their A.I. had advanced to a point where they had desire and compassion and wanted to make their world better. The war was just a front to distract the filthy humans and keep them from fucking up the cool robot utopia.
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Pfff. Cromartie 4 Life.