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From the Fig website ; How do I qualify as an accredited investor?
Generally speaking, for an individual to qualify as an accredited investor, you must have a net worth of at least $1 million (excluding your primary residence) or have an income of at least $200,000 each year for the last two years or a combined income with your spouse of at least $300,000 each year for the last two years and have a reasonable expectation of earning the same amount this year. For the full definition, you can visit the Securities and Exchange Commission’s site.
So....I guess Gabe and Tycho are doing pretty good off this little website?
Also, that last panel, the melty Tycho, the depth of field.
"We promise not to give up or get bored and lay everyone off a year from now, leaving you with a half-assed shell of what we originally ... SEC regs say what? Really? Okay, so that's not actually a legally-binding promise. More like a pinky swear."
"So anyway, we're launching this in two parts. Part one, you give us your money. And then later, when part two is ready, that's when you get your money back."
I don't understand this comic. I don't want to. It's beautiful.
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This is a fantastically well drawn comic. Love it.
Also I feel like if PA actually wanted to invest in a gaming company, they would just have Khoo call the Devs up and negotiate terms. Wasn't that literally his old Job?
I want to know the investor who thinks this is a good idea. I fit the profile but this isn't really that different from crowdsourcing to me. You get a claim on the profits of a single game but no ownership of the IP or future installments. The ownership is in an LLP that is discrete from the studio. I would rather just invest in actual equity of a studio rather than this mess.
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Kwisatz HaderachThe power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.Registered Userregular
I want to know the investor who thinks this is a good idea. I fit the profile but this isn't really that different from crowdsourcing to me. You get a claim on the profits of a single game but no ownership of the IP or future installments. The ownership is in an LLP that is discrete from the studio. I would rather just invest in actual equity of a studio rather than this mess.
This type of arrangement is really common in construction, where a jv is formed, one side finances and bonds the project while the other side performs, but in those agreements both sides try to sneak overhead into the project and buy equipment through the JV. Also profits are more evenly split, this is just high risk low reward.
It looks like they already have a fair number of investors and several high tier donors. (Fig actually lets you be both an investor AND a donor simultaneously, so those might be the same people for all we know.) I don't think the investment option is there necessarily to be a sexy offer for people to make tons of money with. I think there are just some people who want to give money to projects, but would prefer to do it in the form of an investment rather than in the form of a donation. If they want to contribute to the project but don't want to invest, they can just settle for a donation.
I dunno, I think there are some things that may need to be ironed out, but I like the general cut of its jib. The idea of showcasing only 2 or 3 games a month is a good idea, and the fact that all of the games on the fig platform have to be reviewed and vetted (to reduce the risk of projects by incompetent creators who don't know what they are doing and are about to steer the money ship into an iceberg), and then the fact that fig also offers ongoing advising throughout the campaign and development---that all sounds like a decent upgrade to current game crowdfunding to me.
I don't know yet if it will catch on, but it is at least interesting. I'm watching it to see how it develops.
I want to know the investor who thinks this is a good idea. I fit the profile but this isn't really that different from crowdsourcing to me. You get a claim on the profits of a single game but no ownership of the IP or future installments. The ownership is in an LLP that is discrete from the studio. I would rather just invest in actual equity of a studio rather than this mess.
This type of arrangement is really common in construction, where a jv is formed, one side finances and bonds the project while the other side performs, but in those agreements both sides try to sneak overhead into the project and buy equipment through the JV. Also profits are more evenly split, this is just high risk low reward.
Interesting. I guess what bothers me is that all of these crowdfunding ideas are trying to get around the cost of capital. Even this "investment" is an attempt to skirt the high cost of issuing equity. Issue debt or issue shares in your business if you really believe in it.
Interesting. I guess what bothers me is that all of these crowdfunding ideas are trying to get around the cost of capital. Even this "investment" is an attempt to skirt the high cost of issuing equity. Issue debt or issue shares in your business if you really believe in it.
I'm not sure if this is exactly what you had in mind, but the about page for the site indicates that debt-based funding either is or will be available.
As the only funding platform created by gamers for gamers that offers reward, equity, and debt-based funding, the Fig team empowers developers and passionate fans alike to bring well-known franchises and undiscovered indie titles to market.
The accredited investing is one of the many hideous policies that were slipped in with lesser fanfare than Sarbannes-Oxley, but are just as destructive for American industries. And citizens will never have enough interest to get all that junk repealed. And if they do amass the interest, the political organization that aims to delete accredited investing will be branded as "special interest group".
I don't understand this comic. I don't want to. It's beautiful.
Tycho is a wizard teaching the young greenhorn, Gabe, the ways of planeswalking and other such arcane matters. Death is merely a doorway for wizards like him.
Excepting instead of wizarding, it's actually investing. In a video game thingamabob.
The accredited investing is one of the many hideous policies that were slipped in with lesser fanfare than Sarbannes-Oxley, but are just as destructive for American industries. And citizens will never have enough interest to get all that junk repealed. And if they do amass the interest, the political organization that aims to delete accredited investing will be branded as "special interest group".
Can you explain more about what this accredited investor status is? Is it basically that these investors get ... fewer protections? Or more? I'm confused.
The accredited investing is one of the many hideous policies that were slipped in with lesser fanfare than Sarbannes-Oxley, but are just as destructive for American industries. And citizens will never have enough interest to get all that junk repealed. And if they do amass the interest, the political organization that aims to delete accredited investing will be branded as "special interest group".
Can you explain more about what this accredited investor status is? Is it basically that these investors get ... fewer protections? Or more? I'm confused.
If you cannot demonstrate a certain net worth, all your investments have to be registered with the SEC. I think the purpose is to better protect those investors from risks associated with unregistered investments, but it still seems like a very ugly law which divides Americans into legal classes based on their wealth and closes off portions of the financial market to those who cannot become accredited investors.
I want to know the investor who thinks this is a good idea. I fit the profile but this isn't really that different from crowdsourcing to me. You get a claim on the profits of a single game but no ownership of the IP or future installments. The ownership is in an LLP that is discrete from the studio. I would rather just invest in actual equity of a studio rather than this mess.
This type of arrangement is really common in construction, where a jv is formed, one side finances and bonds the project while the other side performs, but in those agreements both sides try to sneak overhead into the project and buy equipment through the JV. Also profits are more evenly split, this is just high risk low reward.
Interesting. I guess what bothers me is that all of these crowdfunding ideas are trying to get around the cost of capital. Even this "investment" is an attempt to skirt the high cost of issuing equity. Issue debt or issue shares in your business if you really believe in it.
I can understand wanting to minimize the cost of capital. What I have a problem with is information asymmetry. It feels like the companies are trying to shaft investors. It's only a matter of time before they try to work some creative book keeping to dodge paying investors, and then try to pr lawsuits away with you are investing in a labor of love, not to make money. Fig is just a shit investment.
Becoming an Accredited Investor is no simple matter, and indeed, involves the renunciation of matter itself. The six “mouths” referred to previously may not be mouths at all but a sequence of six conduits one must traverse, devoured by a succession of increasingly sparse realities, until only intention remains. Then, and only then, can you fund a kinda 16-bit lookin’ indie roguelike.
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How do I qualify as an accredited investor?
Generally speaking, for an individual to qualify as an accredited investor, you must have a net worth of at least $1 million (excluding your primary residence) or have an income of at least $200,000 each year for the last two years or a combined income with your spouse of at least $300,000 each year for the last two years and have a reasonable expectation of earning the same amount this year. For the full definition, you can visit the Securities and Exchange Commission’s site.
So....I guess Gabe and Tycho are doing pretty good off this little website?
Also, that last panel, the melty Tycho, the depth of field.
"So anyway, we're launching this in two parts. Part one, you give us your money. And then later, when part two is ready, that's when you get your money back."
Not sure why I'm surprised, this IS Penny Arcade.
Also I feel like if PA actually wanted to invest in a gaming company, they would just have Khoo call the Devs up and negotiate terms. Wasn't that literally his old Job?
It means it's hard.
For anyone who was in the same boat as me, here you go:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/18/fig-games/
I dunno, I think there are some things that may need to be ironed out, but I like the general cut of its jib. The idea of showcasing only 2 or 3 games a month is a good idea, and the fact that all of the games on the fig platform have to be reviewed and vetted (to reduce the risk of projects by incompetent creators who don't know what they are doing and are about to steer the money ship into an iceberg), and then the fact that fig also offers ongoing advising throughout the campaign and development---that all sounds like a decent upgrade to current game crowdfunding to me.
I don't know yet if it will catch on, but it is at least interesting. I'm watching it to see how it develops.
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Interesting. I guess what bothers me is that all of these crowdfunding ideas are trying to get around the cost of capital. Even this "investment" is an attempt to skirt the high cost of issuing equity. Issue debt or issue shares in your business if you really believe in it.
I'm not sure if this is exactly what you had in mind, but the about page for the site indicates that debt-based funding either is or will be available.
edit: i could've sworn Gabe starting drawing the main characters with five fingers a while ago.
double edit: this comic is damn awesome on the writing and artwork ends.
triple edit: yeah i guess there's some variances? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2015/08/10/its-still-too-late
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Tycho is a wizard teaching the young greenhorn, Gabe, the ways of planeswalking and other such arcane matters. Death is merely a doorway for wizards like him.
Excepting instead of wizarding, it's actually investing. In a video game thingamabob.
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Can you explain more about what this accredited investor status is? Is it basically that these investors get ... fewer protections? Or more? I'm confused.
http://www.investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-bulletins/investor-bulletin-accredited-investors
If you cannot demonstrate a certain net worth, all your investments have to be registered with the SEC. I think the purpose is to better protect those investors from risks associated with unregistered investments, but it still seems like a very ugly law which divides Americans into legal classes based on their wealth and closes off portions of the financial market to those who cannot become accredited investors.