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The Unrated, Extended Cut [movies] thread (with Alternate Ending)

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Yes, Banderas is so incredibly head and shoulders above any other actor in that movie (and almost the entire series) he needs his own action shoot em up movie. Give him the Mexican version of John Wick, Juan Fuego.

    You're joking, right?

    I mean this trend of a third wind of old action stars trying to still be tough guys and getting decent budget action movies. Ahnald and Sly's stuff hasn't been that good, but Banderas seems like he can still do it. Need to see if that carries over into something like Automata, which is up on Showtime now.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Sorce wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I feel like if I had watched Expendables 3 that would have been my favorite part.
    My favorite scene wasn't that, but another scene he was in. It was basically Banderas and Rousey going to town on a ton of henchmen, and it was wonderful.

    Some scenes were ok. The best scene was
    when Barney was talking to Frasier in the car, and Frasier faked about having ancer to fuck with him. That was a humanizing moment.
    I love how when Barney breaks his original team up everyone has no lives at all, but it's done so badly. They were so flat as characters they had literally no lives outside of killing people and spent their days staring at tvs. It was like a bad comedy.

    Harry Dresden on
  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Yes, Banderas is so incredibly head and shoulders above any other actor in that movie (and almost the entire series) he needs his own action shoot em up movie. Give him the Mexican version of John Wick, Juan Fuego.

    You're joking, right?

    I mean this trend of a third wind of old action stars trying to still be tough guys and getting decent budget action movies. Ahnald and Sly's stuff hasn't been that good, but Banderas seems like he can still do it. Need to see if that carries over into something like Automata, which is up on Showtime now.

    Ah, fair enough. Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Banderas get more action work.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Once Upon a Time in Mexico was one of the worst action movies I've seen.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Yes, Banderas is so incredibly head and shoulders above any other actor in that movie (and almost the entire series) he needs his own action shoot em up movie. Give him the Mexican version of John Wick, Juan Fuego.

    You're joking, right?

    I mean this trend of a third wind of old action stars trying to still be tough guys and getting decent budget action movies. Ahnald and Sly's stuff hasn't been that good, but Banderas seems like he can still do it. Need to see if that carries over into something like Automata, which is up on Showtime now.

    Ah, fair enough. Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Banderas get more action work.

    The only action star in Expendables who gets anything slightly interesting is Stallone. In the right hands the series is an exciting prospect; it's an embarrassment in Stallone's.

  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    This is a really great, really long new Vulture interview with Tarantino. It's so great and so long I don't even know what to quote you as a sample. Here, I randomly scrolled up and down with my eyes closed and then stopped and quoted where my mouse was a few times:
    Since you’re good at it, do you feel any responsibility to write roles for women outside of the typical Hollywood demographic?

    I don’t have any responsibility at all. I’ve been making movies for 20 years, and as great as some of those decisions I made in the first ten years were, I probably wouldn’t make them again. What I mean is, I really liked the scripts I wrote, and I really liked my characters, but I wasn’t overenamored, and I wasn’t that precious about them. Back then, I got much more excited by cool casting. I liked the idea of taking an actor I’ve always liked but wasn’t being used much anymore and putting him in the movie and showing people what he could do. But I don’t feel that way anymore. Now it’s all about my characters. I actually think my characters are going to be one of my biggest legacies after I’m gone. So I have no obligation whatsoever other than to just cast it right. I did a Nightline interview with some dingbat. It was me, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Jamie Foxx, and they were asking about stuff like that. I go, “Look, I like these guys, but I love my characters. Their job is to say my dialogue.”
    What makes The Fighter something we’ll be talking about in 30 years?

    Part of that is the explosion of David O. Russell’s talent, which had always been there but really coalesced in that movie. I think he’s the best actor’s director, along with myself, working in movies today. And The Fighter had impeccable casting. As an example, I really liked The Town, which also came out in 2010. It was a good crime film. However, next to The Fighter, it just couldn’t hold up, because everybody in The Town is beyond gorgeous. Ben Affleck is the one who gets away with it, because his Boston accent is so good. But the crook is absolutely gorgeous. The bank teller is absolutely gorgeous. The FBI guy is absolutely gorgeous. The town whore, Blake Lively, is absolutely gorgeous. Jeremy Renner is the least gorgeous guy, and he’s pretty fucking good-looking. Then, if you look at The Fighter, and you look at those sisters, they’re just so magnificent. When you see David O. Russell cast those sisters, and you see Ben Affleck cast Blake Lively, you can’t compare the two movies. One just shows how phony the other is.
    You have rescued a few acting careers. Do you become invested in those careers, and do you get upset when actors wind up back where they were before you cast them?

    Nobody ever really ends up exactly where they were. Maybe they don’t have a resurgence like John Travolta did, where he became a superstar again, making $20 million a movie. That’s obviously the best-case scenario. It would have been nice if Pam Grier had gotten other lead roles in major movies, but the truth is it’s hard for any woman to get lead roles in movies, especially a black woman in her early 50s. She was actually very realistic about that. She was just doing cameos and bit parts in stuff like Escape From L.A. After Jackie Brown, she got that TV show about a bar. And she was in the Jane Campion movie, and on The L Word, which wouldn’t have been the case without Jackie Brown.

    Unless you’re Meryl Streep or Julianne Moore, it’s a rough business for movie actresses older than, say, 28.

    I don’t really know if I’m writing the kind of roles that Meryl Streep and Julianne Moore would play. Jessica Lange on American Horror Story is a little bit more my cup of tea.

    There's stuff about Hateful Eight (nothing spoilery) and the history of Westerns and his opinion on Oscarbait movies and all sorts of great stuff.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Once Upon a Time in Mexico was one of the worst action movies I've seen.

    Johnny Depp

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Once Upon a Time in Mexico was one of the worst action movies I've seen.

    Johnny Depp

    Could not save a movie that felt like a b movie Robert Rodriguez. Camera angles were awful, it was jump cutty and suspiciously dark in some sections which lead to action being really hard to follow.

    As a stand alone it would have been poor, as a follow up to desperado it was a crime.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    No I mean he was a big part of why it sucked

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Oh yeah, his hammy acting definitely didn't help. But honestly this was RR's fuck up, and honestly everything post Once has been down hill shit.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    I think RR's problem is that while he can make a $10,000 movie look like it was made for $1 million, he also makes a $50 million dollar movie look like it was made for $1 million.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    Well, Once Upon A Time in New Mexico was...kind of the beginning of the slide in Rodriguez's career. Personally, I find it decent, but it doesn't really work on me like it used to. Sin City also used to be impressive, but for entirely different reasons. Now I don't know if I'll ever be excited at the prospect of a new Robert Rodriguez movie, unless it's, like, something way out of left field, like a straight-faced Samurai action flick, or something in claymation.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    This is a really great, really long new Vulture interview with Tarantino. It's so great and so long I don't even know what to quote you as a sample. Here, I randomly scrolled up and down with my eyes closed and then stopped and quoted where my mouse was a few times:
    Since you’re good at it, do you feel any responsibility to write roles for women outside of the typical Hollywood demographic?

    I don’t have any responsibility at all. I’ve been making movies for 20 years, and as great as some of those decisions I made in the first ten years were, I probably wouldn’t make them again. What I mean is, I really liked the scripts I wrote, and I really liked my characters, but I wasn’t overenamored, and I wasn’t that precious about them. Back then, I got much more excited by cool casting. I liked the idea of taking an actor I’ve always liked but wasn’t being used much anymore and putting him in the movie and showing people what he could do. But I don’t feel that way anymore. Now it’s all about my characters. I actually think my characters are going to be one of my biggest legacies after I’m gone. So I have no obligation whatsoever other than to just cast it right. I did a Nightline interview with some dingbat. It was me, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Jamie Foxx, and they were asking about stuff like that. I go, “Look, I like these guys, but I love my characters. Their job is to say my dialogue.”
    What makes The Fighter something we’ll be talking about in 30 years?

    Part of that is the explosion of David O. Russell’s talent, which had always been there but really coalesced in that movie. I think he’s the best actor’s director, along with myself, working in movies today. And The Fighter had impeccable casting. As an example, I really liked The Town, which also came out in 2010. It was a good crime film. However, next to The Fighter, it just couldn’t hold up, because everybody in The Town is beyond gorgeous. Ben Affleck is the one who gets away with it, because his Boston accent is so good. But the crook is absolutely gorgeous. The bank teller is absolutely gorgeous. The FBI guy is absolutely gorgeous. The town whore, Blake Lively, is absolutely gorgeous. Jeremy Renner is the least gorgeous guy, and he’s pretty fucking good-looking. Then, if you look at The Fighter, and you look at those sisters, they’re just so magnificent. When you see David O. Russell cast those sisters, and you see Ben Affleck cast Blake Lively, you can’t compare the two movies. One just shows how phony the other is.
    You have rescued a few acting careers. Do you become invested in those careers, and do you get upset when actors wind up back where they were before you cast them?

    Nobody ever really ends up exactly where they were. Maybe they don’t have a resurgence like John Travolta did, where he became a superstar again, making $20 million a movie. That’s obviously the best-case scenario. It would have been nice if Pam Grier had gotten other lead roles in major movies, but the truth is it’s hard for any woman to get lead roles in movies, especially a black woman in her early 50s. She was actually very realistic about that. She was just doing cameos and bit parts in stuff like Escape From L.A. After Jackie Brown, she got that TV show about a bar. And she was in the Jane Campion movie, and on The L Word, which wouldn’t have been the case without Jackie Brown.

    Unless you’re Meryl Streep or Julianne Moore, it’s a rough business for movie actresses older than, say, 28.

    I don’t really know if I’m writing the kind of roles that Meryl Streep and Julianne Moore would play. Jessica Lange on American Horror Story is a little bit more my cup of tea.

    There's stuff about Hateful Eight (nothing spoilery) and the history of Westerns and his opinion on Oscarbait movies and all sorts of great stuff.

    That is just an incredibly entertaining interview. He seemed like he'd be an fun guy to talk to.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Man, I still remember using a recipe from the DVD extras or something of Once Upon a Time in Mexico for Puerco Pibil.

    It was delicious.

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    The DVD extras were great. They had a music video of Malagueña Salerosa as well.

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  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    I love hearing Tarantino talk about movies - he's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about the subject.

    Also, on a quasi related note I really like Tarantino's cameos in his movies, even though he seems to get a lot of flak for them. I think he's a good actor - and in general I like it when directors appear in their own movies (or other people's movies). I'm like, 'hey, it's that director I love! awesome!'

    I think I get fanboyish about directors and writers way more than I do about actors - because the directors and writers are the real force behind the movies. I mean actors are kinda expendable, in comparison. John Travolta is great in Pulp Fiction, but if he turned the role down, Tarantino would've no doubt found someone else who would've been just, or nearly, as good. But you can't even speculate what Pulp Fiction might have been like if it was made by someone other than Tarantino - because it couldn't exist without Tarantino.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Once Upon a Time in Mexico was one of the worst action movies I've seen.

    Johnny Depp

    my agree is for Johnny Depp being awesome in that movie btw

    so terribly awesome

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Tarantino is completely aware of how fantastic he is, and it's completely refreshing to hear someone talk so candidly. Just, "yep, I'm pretty fucking awesome, let's discuss that."

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    How many great performances can you guys think of in badly written films? Can a badly written film even elicit a great performance? I saw White Oleander yesterday and found it overwrought melodrama pretending to be deep and insightful. I'd heard that Pfeiffer was good in it, but I never got beyond how painfully bad so many of her lines were. Of course she's supposed to be full of shit, but even with that in mind I thought the writing was really bad most of the time. There are other capable actors in the film, but I just couldn't divorce the acting from the writing itself.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    How many great performances can you guys think of in badly written films? Can a badly written film even elicit a great performance? I saw White Oleander yesterday and found it overwrought melodrama pretending to be deep and insightful. I'd heard that Pfeiffer was good in it, but I never got beyond how painfully bad so many of her lines were. Of course she's supposed to be full of shit, but even with that in mind I thought the writing was really bad most of the time. There are other capable actors in the film, but I just couldn't divorce the acting from the writing itself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs

  • caligynefobcaligynefob DKRegistered User regular
    I wish the Expendables franchise would just go for the 80's action movie feel all the way. Quit getting new young actors in and stop using CGI effects (especially for the blood). I want more Commando and Tango and Cash and less XxX.

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  • ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    Archangle wrote: »
    Re: Interstellar
    The one thing that really threw me, and convinced me that there was something going on behind the scenes with the ending was Murph exhorting Cooper to "Go to her (Brand)".

    There's nothing particularly in the movie to suggest that Cooper and Brand had any kind of romantic connection (heck, at one point it's explicitly noted she's in love with someone else), but even more than that there's nothing to suggest Murph would have the slightest inkling about it even if there was such a connection. It just reeks of a shoehorned "romantic love" theme where the earlier "love" themes focused more on familial love.

    I took it as more
    Hey go to Brand because everyone she knows and loves is probably dead and she's all alone on New Earth and a friendly face will probably keep her from going insane and HEEEY maybe some sexytimes I dunno

    Besides we'll be there in like a couple of days your time goooo.
    To paraphrase Futurama - that just raises more questions!
    (a) The trip to the wormhole was 99% done in suspended animation, as was the moving between planets on the far side. In Cooper's relative time, he's known Brand for a couple of weeks at best. Heck, if he's spent decent time in recovery (which he probably should have, given he went through an event horizon and was floating in space) he's known the hospital staff for longer. (b) If the colonists have the capacity to send more ships through the wormhole, why haven't they already done so to start preparing for the arrival of the main ship? (c) Edmund/Brand's planet is farther away from Gargantua and doesn't have the relative time distortion effect. It WONT be just a couple of days.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    I love hearing Tarantino talk about movies - he's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about the subject.

    Also, on a quasi related note I really like Tarantino's cameos in his movies, even though he seems to get a lot of flak for them. I think he's a good actor - and in general I like it when directors appear in their own movies (or other people's movies). I'm like, 'hey, it's that director I love! awesome!'

    I think I get fanboyish about directors and writers way more than I do about actors - because the directors and writers are the real force behind the movies. I mean actors are kinda expendable, in comparison. John Travolta is great in Pulp Fiction, but if he turned the role down, Tarantino would've no doubt found someone else who would've been just, or nearly, as good. But you can't even speculate what Pulp Fiction might have been like if it was made by someone other than Tarantino - because it couldn't exist without Tarantino.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    I don't know how Tarantino sees anything in O. Russell's work that makes it stand out to be timeless.

    edit: I'd love to talk to Scorsese about his music choices. "So when you used 'Then He Kissed Me' in Goodfellas, did you do that in response to it being used in the opening of Adventures in Babysitting?"

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I don't know how Tarantino sees anything in O. Russell's work that makes it stand out to be timeless.

    Not shitting where he lives, he probably wants to work with people who work with Russel and doesn't want to alienate them.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 2015
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I don't know how Tarantino sees anything in O. Russell's work that makes it stand out to be timeless.

    Yeah I loved the interview, but that's the only real point where I was thinking "wait, really?"

    edit: Preacher, I think Russel's famous reputation shows that the people he works with are pretty damned inalienable.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Scorsese's Personal Journey Through American Cinema is like a masters level class in american movies

    its a must see if you like film history.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    darleysam wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I don't know how Tarantino sees anything in O. Russell's work that makes it stand out to be timeless.

    Yeah I loved the interview, but that's the only real point where I was thinking "wait, really?"

    edit: Preacher, I think Russel's famous reputation shows that the people he works with are pretty damned inalienable.

    Russel is infamous with some people, but people like Jennifer Lawerence keep working with him and lauding him. So if Tarantino wanted to work with her its best to not shit on the man so as to not burn a bridge.

    Tarantino is a film student, he knows what happens to people when you shit on the craft. Call it a professional courtesy. He drops some buzzwords on Russel to keep options open.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Russel is an oscar-bait specialist so actors put up with his nonsense

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Jaws really stands out for Spielberg in that it doesn't really have daddy issues. I mean Brody from what we see of his interaction with his kids is the stereotypical hard but fair parent of his generation.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Tarantino is not somebody who lies about his opinions. He just has weird ones sometimes. He really liked The Lone Ranger, for instance. He prefers all the Psycho rip-offs to Psycho itself. He's just idiosyncratic that way.

    It's like the bit later about The Newsroom, he's like "why should I give a shit if other people dislike the thing I like"

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Tarantino is not somebody who lies about his opinions. He just has weird ones sometimes. He really liked The Lone Ranger, for instance. He prefers all the Psycho rip-offs to Psycho itself. He's just idiosyncratic that way.

    It's like the bit later about The Newsroom, he's like "why should I give a shit if other people dislike the thing I like"

    Yeah, he doesn't seem like someone who'd blow smoke up someone else's arse if he didn't think much of their work. I don't personally see it, but I do figure that if he says he loves Russel's work, he means it.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    The comments on the interview though, what the hell?

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    I love hearing Tarantino talk about movies - he's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about the subject.

    Also, on a quasi related note I really like Tarantino's cameos in his movies, even though he seems to get a lot of flak for them. I think he's a good actor - and in general I like it when directors appear in their own movies (or other people's movies). I'm like, 'hey, it's that director I love! awesome!'

    I think I get fanboyish about directors and writers way more than I do about actors - because the directors and writers are the real force behind the movies. I mean actors are kinda expendable, in comparison. John Travolta is great in Pulp Fiction, but if he turned the role down, Tarantino would've no doubt found someone else who would've been just, or nearly, as good. But you can't even speculate what Pulp Fiction might have been like if it was made by someone other than Tarantino - because it couldn't exist without Tarantino.

    Scoresse does that for me.

    Hmm. All too often I see QT utilise techniques that are an homage not to artistic choice, but technical limitations of genres past. I get tired of the winks to the restrictions on moviemakers in the 60's / 70's because we don't have those anymore and I'd rather he do something new.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    daveNYC wrote: »
    The comments on the interview everything on the internet though, what the hell?
    FTFY

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    Hmm. All too often I see QT utilise techniques that are an homage not to artistic choice, but technical limitations of genres past. I get tired of the winks to the restrictions on moviemakers in the 60's / 70's because we don't have those anymore and I'd rather he do something new.
    For instance?

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    wandering wrote: »
    I love hearing Tarantino talk about movies - he's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about the subject.

    Also, on a quasi related note I really like Tarantino's cameos in his movies, even though he seems to get a lot of flak for them. I think he's a good actor - and in general I like it when directors appear in their own movies (or other people's movies). I'm like, 'hey, it's that director I love! awesome!'

    I think I get fanboyish about directors and writers way more than I do about actors - because the directors and writers are the real force behind the movies. I mean actors are kinda expendable, in comparison. John Travolta is great in Pulp Fiction, but if he turned the role down, Tarantino would've no doubt found someone else who would've been just, or nearly, as good. But you can't even speculate what Pulp Fiction might have been like if it was made by someone other than Tarantino - because it couldn't exist without Tarantino.

    Scoresse does that for me.

    Hmm. All too often I see QT utilise techniques that are an homage not to artistic choice, but technical limitations of genres past. I get tired of the winks to the restrictions on moviemakers in the 60's / 70's because we don't have those anymore and I'd rather he do something new.

    For better or worse, that sort of shit can be insanely popular.

  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    I love hearing Tarantino talk about movies - he's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about the subject.

    Also, on a quasi related note I really like Tarantino's cameos in his movies, even though he seems to get a lot of flak for them. I think he's a good actor - and in general I like it when directors appear in their own movies (or other people's movies). I'm like, 'hey, it's that director I love! awesome!'

    I think I get fanboyish about directors and writers way more than I do about actors - because the directors and writers are the real force behind the movies. I mean actors are kinda expendable, in comparison. John Travolta is great in Pulp Fiction, but if he turned the role down, Tarantino would've no doubt found someone else who would've been just, or nearly, as good. But you can't even speculate what Pulp Fiction might have been like if it was made by someone other than Tarantino - because it couldn't exist without Tarantino.

    Scoresse does that for me.
    Here's Scorsese as Van Gogh, in my favorite segment from Kurosawa's Dreams (3:40):

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    darleysam wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Tarantino is not somebody who lies about his opinions. He just has weird ones sometimes. He really liked The Lone Ranger, for instance. He prefers all the Psycho rip-offs to Psycho itself. He's just idiosyncratic that way.

    It's like the bit later about The Newsroom, he's like "why should I give a shit if other people dislike the thing I like"

    Yeah, he doesn't seem like someone who'd blow smoke up someone else's arse if he didn't think much of their work. I don't personally see it, but I do figure that if he says he loves Russel's work, he means it.

    I do agree that Russel's work will age much better than the contemporary Oscar bait Tarantino was talking about. Nobody gives a shit about The King's Speech anymore. Silver Linings Playbook and American Hustle are well crafted and have endearing or entertaining performances, though.

    Will they be considered classics? Eh, probably not. But they'll be "that movie from the 2000s that was pretty good" as discussed by people who dog cinema.

    We like to talk about Ronin. It was a good movie. It didn't quite make it into pop culture, but as movie guys, we know it and appreciate it. I think a lot of Russell's work will fall into that category.

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  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    I never cared about The King's Speech, but it was still substantially better than Silver Linings Playbook. And American Hustle doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence.

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