Max Landis reaches his final form of Nerd on The Internet:
My opinion on this stems not from my love of preference of individual characters, but rather for how the characters work best. The Avengers work best when vulnerable; Batman works best when he's written as a domineering and intense force of nature.
I think they'd stand a better chance in Round 2, but Round 1 goes like this. Okay, so let's say The Avengers appear in a city with batman and they fight.
In order:
Banner gets knock-out darted before he turns into Hulk
Iron Man's suit gets hacked real quick
Vision gets EMP'd reeeeal quick
Thor gets Batwing'd into a building and then glued down with polymer
B Wids and H-Eye get knocked the f out
Cap's a fight but Batman wins
Honestly if they fought him one on one it would be a fairer fight because he wouldn't be able to use the city against them as effectively; that ninja training is gonna be a b*tch for the rough and tumble MCU Avengers. Honestly I like Cap as a character more than I like Batman, I like Iron Man more too.
Superman fighting the Avengers is just...not a fight. There's no tactical element to it. He just punches all of them once.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
Hope that it stays as good as the convergence tie in. That had a lot to do with the art too. Lee Weeks does pretty art
I do like the idea that at least part of his secret mission is making sure villains he had to deal with in his reality don't come to be in this one, making life for the DCnU Supes a little easier.
Shifting gears to Marvel, has anyone seen the textless preview pages for Sam Wilson: Captain America #1? They show off an interesting pair of additions to his post-SW supporting cast.
Also from the same interview, his pitch for Man of Steel 2
As he relates to Screen Junkies, in the wake of the widespread destruction in the 2013 film, Superman is a reviled figure while Clark Kent, suffering from PTSD, has hung up his cape. Ready to leave Metropolis forever, Clark is given one last assigned for the Daily Planet: to interview charismatic billionaire Lex Luthor -- "basically an evil Elon Musk" -- portrayed by none other than Tom Hanks. In a film directed by James Cameron.
It turns out the brilliant Luthor knows Clark's true identity, and offers to help him repair his damaged reputation, by sending him where he's needed most. In exchange, however, Superman will have to perform a few favors. Despite Batman's warnings, Clark agrees to Lex's terms. It's only after he captures some of the world's seemingly dangerous meta-humans and vigilantes -- Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter -- that Superman discovers Lex's true, sinister intentions: to assemble his own superhuman league, mightier than any army.
Transformers 5 directed by Michael Bay and written by Akiva Goldsman which...bleh.
And an animated origin film set on Cybertron written by Andrew Barrer and Gabriel Ferrari who did the final Ant-Man rewrite after McKay and Rudd made their changes.
I dunno, The Punisher killed the entire Marvel universe and Batman's better than the Punisher, so...
But actually the Punisher is better than Batman, because when The Joker met The Punisher he was scared because the Punisher was actually going to kill him unlike Batman.
bay claimed he hasn't actually signed on for anything yet
Well Wahlberg is still starring and Goldsman wrote it so even if he does somehow abandon the franchise after initially planning on leaving after 3 but then deciding to stay on the money train it'll probably still be straight up poop
Batman could not fight every single Avenger at once and win easily.
That is ridiculous.
But stilts!
Polymer!
Knockout darts!
I love how he says Batman could just hack Iron Man's suit
Like that has never ever happened to Stark
And he has no contingency plans for it
As if Batman could hack J.A.R.V.I.S. It took Ultron to hack J.A.R.V.I.S. Ultron would have Bruce Wayne's secrets out for the world to see inside of 52 minutes. Unless Oracle exists. In which case, make it a day.
I have other snide counter-arguments (among which the most controversial is my dumb opinion that almost any version of Hawkeye beats Batman 99% of the time), but yeah, this is just Max Landis bein' dumb.
I have two questions. 1) Why/what is the significance of Tony's Irish computer voice. 2) Who was that blue dude? Wiki says Thanos, also that he's a Titan which I assume is some sort of old god. I've never heard of him.
Irish computer voice? You mean F.R.I.D.A.Y?
The name is a play on 'His Gal Friday', a 1940s American comedy film. It's basically just another AI, like JARVIS, though probably not as advanced. He needs an AI to help him control his suit for maximum effectiveness and awareness.
Um, actually, JARVIS isn't an AI, he's simply a highly sophisticated digital assistant program (like Siri's great-great-great-great-grandson). The sheer volume of situations he was designed to handle and expansive vocabulary gives him the appearance of intelligence, but he lacks any proper independent-learning capabilities.
Building natural language will probably actually be harder than building intelligence
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
Wellll, he is talking MCU. And MCU Thor isn't a literal god, but a sufficiently advanced alien. (Generally, comic book Thor is able to go toe to toe with post-Crisis Superman. MCU Thor isn't that powerful.)
The problem with his suggested tactic is Mjolnir. Assuming a superglue can actually hold Thor down (and we can do that, because MCU Thor and comic science), MCU Mjolnir can still travel fast enough to break Earth orbit in seconds and respond to telepathic commands. So unless he can actually knock out Thor (which even MCU Hulk can't do, so no) or is worthy of Mjolnir (which if Cap isn't, he isn't), then after Thor is pinned down, Mjolnir seeks out Batman's skull and reduces it to paste.
If you go with the old rules of 60 seconds without touching Mjolnir reverts Thor back to Donald Blake then I'm sure Batman could think of a way to beat him.
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
If you go with the old rules of 60 seconds without touching Mjolnir reverts Thor back to Donald Blake then I'm sure Batman could think of a way to beat him.
But we aren't. We're talking MCU Thor here, and he doesn't have that limitation.
I know I bring this up like every other page but another reason I really loved the JLU expies in Hickman's New Avengers is that the "Batman" immediately realizes he is mostly outclassed.
I am like a million percent sure you can't just dart banner in the mcu
I'm suddenly thinking of that scene in Jurassic Park 2 where Eddie is describing the darts he's carrying, loaded with a toxin that kills the animal before it even feels the prick from the impact.
TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
I also propose that sometimes people reacting against Batman fans go too far and make it "everybody clowns Batman" is seems just as dumb, just in the opposite direction. You don't avoid driving into a wall by driving off a cliff.
Idk about clowning (which you can't spell without owning) batman but I like the idea that it actually takes everything he has just to keep up and he just projects an image of hyper preparedness that could own anybody
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Idk about clowning (which you can't spell without owning) batman but I like the idea that it actually takes everything he has just to keep up and he just projects an image of hyper preparedness that could own anybody
Being prepared for likely scenarios and making everybody think you're prepared for everything else is almost as good as actually being prepared for everything, but for a fraction of the effort.
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Wait whoa wait hold on
yeah basically after the arc with osborn and bullseye it dropped like a stone
Batman could not fight every single Avenger at once and win easily.
That is ridiculous.
But stilts!
Polymer!
Knockout darts!
but that's both unfair and also just plain stupid
Transformers 5 directed by Michael Bay and written by Akiva Goldsman which...bleh.
And an animated origin film set on Cybertron written by Andrew Barrer and Gabriel Ferrari who did the final Ant-Man rewrite after McKay and Rudd made their changes.
That one
Could maybe be alright!
the series is 4 movies deep and hasn't produced anything actually watchable yet
I love how he says Batman could just hack Iron Man's suit
Like that has never ever happened to Stark
And he has no contingency plans for it
The whole thing assumes that batman's first attempt is successful against every opponent
which isn't even how batman works in his own series
he usually has to form a plan and come back
its peak "BATMAN WINS CAUSE HES THE BEST" argumentation
But goddamn am I sick of Batman fans
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Uhhh
He...hits him with a plane?
And uh
Oh! He glues him down! Yeah!
As if Batman could hack J.A.R.V.I.S. It took Ultron to hack J.A.R.V.I.S. Ultron would have Bruce Wayne's secrets out for the world to see inside of 52 minutes. Unless Oracle exists. In which case, make it a day.
I have other snide counter-arguments (among which the most controversial is my dumb opinion that almost any version of Hawkeye beats Batman 99% of the time), but yeah, this is just Max Landis bein' dumb.
with a polymer that can hold a literal god
The superman one is dumb too, but yeah just
wow max
what the fuck happened to you Ryan Stegman
Look at that Spider-Man in the third panel!
You used to do this!
who did this to you
Building natural language will probably actually be harder than building intelligence
Wellll, he is talking MCU. And MCU Thor isn't a literal god, but a sufficiently advanced alien. (Generally, comic book Thor is able to go toe to toe with post-Crisis Superman. MCU Thor isn't that powerful.)
The problem with his suggested tactic is Mjolnir. Assuming a superglue can actually hold Thor down (and we can do that, because MCU Thor and comic science), MCU Mjolnir can still travel fast enough to break Earth orbit in seconds and respond to telepathic commands. So unless he can actually knock out Thor (which even MCU Hulk can't do, so no) or is worthy of Mjolnir (which if Cap isn't, he isn't), then after Thor is pinned down, Mjolnir seeks out Batman's skull and reduces it to paste.
But we aren't. We're talking MCU Thor here, and he doesn't have that limitation.
I'm suddenly thinking of that scene in Jurassic Park 2 where Eddie is describing the darts he's carrying, loaded with a toxin that kills the animal before it even feels the prick from the impact.
So that, but sleepytimes instead.
Few are.
Shame he's not a place to bury murder victims.
Being prepared for likely scenarios and making everybody think you're prepared for everything else is almost as good as actually being prepared for everything, but for a fraction of the effort.