Max Landis reaches his final form of Nerd on The Internet:
My opinion on this stems not from my love of preference of individual characters, but rather for how the characters work best. The Avengers work best when vulnerable; Batman works best when he's written as a domineering and intense force of nature.
I think they'd stand a better chance in Round 2, but Round 1 goes like this. Okay, so let's say The Avengers appear in a city with batman and they fight.
In order:
Banner gets knock-out darted before he turns into Hulk
Iron Man's suit gets hacked real quick
Vision gets EMP'd reeeeal quick
Thor gets Batwing'd into a building and then glued down with polymer
B Wids and H-Eye get knocked the f out
Cap's a fight but Batman wins
Honestly if they fought him one on one it would be a fairer fight because he wouldn't be able to use the city against them as effectively; that ninja training is gonna be a b*tch for the rough and tumble MCU Avengers. Honestly I like Cap as a character more than I like Batman, I like Iron Man more too.
Superman fighting the Avengers is just...not a fight. There's no tactical element to it. He just punches all of them once.
-Superman: He might have to punch Thor two or three times, or the Hulk five or six, but essentially this is correct.
Superman would have to punch thor and hulk a lot more than this
Max Landis reaches his final form of Nerd on The Internet:
My opinion on this stems not from my love of preference of individual characters, but rather for how the characters work best. The Avengers work best when vulnerable; Batman works best when he's written as a domineering and intense force of nature.
I think they'd stand a better chance in Round 2, but Round 1 goes like this. Okay, so let's say The Avengers appear in a city with batman and they fight.
In order:
Banner gets knock-out darted before he turns into Hulk
Iron Man's suit gets hacked real quick
Vision gets EMP'd reeeeal quick
Thor gets Batwing'd into a building and then glued down with polymer
B Wids and H-Eye get knocked the f out
Cap's a fight but Batman wins
Honestly if they fought him one on one it would be a fairer fight because he wouldn't be able to use the city against them as effectively; that ninja training is gonna be a b*tch for the rough and tumble MCU Avengers. Honestly I like Cap as a character more than I like Batman, I like Iron Man more too.
Superman fighting the Avengers is just...not a fight. There's no tactical element to it. He just punches all of them once.
-Superman: He might have to punch Thor two or three times, or the Hulk five or six, but essentially this is correct.
Superman would have to punch thor and hulk a lot more than this
Which Superman are we talking about, actually? I'm not clear if Landis is referring to DCCU characters here (since nobody has really seen DCCU Batman in action)
Certain comicbook versions of Superman would totally run roughshod over the MCU versions of characters.
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This feels like Landis read the Deathstroke-takes-everyone-out scene in Identity Crisis and decided it was the coolest thing ever.
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hulk would be easier for superman to fight because he can essentially rocket him into the sun but if they're just punching each other it would be rough.
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I feel like Landis' Batman solution sort of works if he is taking on each of the Avengers one at a time
Like, if he has two days to slowly break all of Tony's encryptions
And Natasha isn't standing by with an epinephrine shot when Banner gets darted
And he's just fighting hand to hand with Cap, Nat, and Clint one at a time, rather than all three at once
DCAU "world of cardboard" Superman would probably not have to punch MCU Thor very many times. The Hulk fight might resemble the AoU Hulkbuster fight, except Hulk would actually straight up lose.
DCAU "world of cardboard" Superman would probably not have to punch MCU Thor very many times. The Hulk fight might resemble the AoU Hulkbuster fight, except Hulk would actually straight up lose.
The longer that fight goes on the more it will resemble Man of Steel, so I'd argue that Superman still loses.
DCAU "world of cardboard" Superman would probably not have to punch MCU Thor very many times. The Hulk fight might resemble the AoU Hulkbuster fight, except Hulk would actually straight up lose.
The longer that fight goes on the more it will resemble Man of Steel, so I'd argue that Superman still loses.
Man, that'd make even less since given Hulk can't even fly like Zod could, so Superman would have an even easier time getting him to an area where he wouldn't cause damage.
DCAU "world of cardboard" Superman would probably not have to punch MCU Thor very many times. The Hulk fight might resemble the AoU Hulkbuster fight, except Hulk would actually straight up lose.
The longer that fight goes on the more it will resemble Man of Steel, so I'd argue that Superman still loses.
Man, that'd make even less since given Hulk can't even fly like Zod could, so Superman would have an even easier time getting him to an area where he wouldn't cause damage.
That was the whole point of the Hulkbuster fight, and it didn't work incredibly well.
DCAU "world of cardboard" Superman would probably not have to punch MCU Thor very many times. The Hulk fight might resemble the AoU Hulkbuster fight, except Hulk would actually straight up lose.
The longer that fight goes on the more it will resemble Man of Steel, so I'd argue that Superman still loses.
Man, that'd make even less since given Hulk can't even fly like Zod could, so Superman would have an even easier time getting him to an area where he wouldn't cause damage.
That was the whole point of the Hulkbuster fight, and it didn't work incredibly well.
Yeah, but that was Iron Man in an oversized suit. I'm pretty sure Superman would be a little more effective there.
Well, whatever the method for generating the lightning, the question would be whether the lightning itself counts as any different than a random lightning strike.
Well, whatever the method for generating the lightning, the question would be whether the lightning itself counts as any different than a random lightning strike.
It would affect Superman like regular lightning would a normal person.
He's not weak to magic (like, say, Pokémon type weaknesses), he just doesn't have resistance to it
Well, whatever the method for generating the lightning, the question would be whether the lightning itself counts as any different than a random lightning strike.
It would affect Superman like regular lightning would a normal person.
He's not weak to magic (like, say, Pokémon type weaknesses), he just doesn't have resistance to it
Well that's the question - if it's magic being used to create regular lightning, it'd affect Superman as much as regular lightning would (ie not at all because he's Superman). If the lightning itself is magic then yeah
I feel like Landis' Batman solution sort of works if he is taking on each of the Avengers one at a time
Like, if he has two days to slowly break all of Tony's encryptions
And Natasha isn't standing by with an epinephrine shot when Banner gets darted
And he's just fighting hand to hand with Cap, Nat, and Clint one at a time, rather than all three at once
Isolating and targeting one at a time is more his thing, I feel. Don't let them get a warning out to the others.
We need more context for the setup.
Why are the Avengers in the same place as Batman? Why does Batman want to take them down. Do the Avengers want to take Batman down as well? How long are the Avengers there for? Does Batman even have the time and opportunity to learn their weaknesses in the first place? Why are the Avengers not able to learn Batman's weaknesses and take HIM down?
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I feel like Landis' Batman solution sort of works if he is taking on each of the Avengers one at a time
Like, if he has two days to slowly break all of Tony's encryptions
And Natasha isn't standing by with an epinephrine shot when Banner gets darted
And he's just fighting hand to hand with Cap, Nat, and Clint one at a time, rather than all three at once
Isolating and targeting one at a time is more his thing, I feel. Don't let them get a warning out to the others.
We need more context for the setup.
Why are the Avengers in the same place as Batman? Why does Batman want to take them down. Do the Avengers want to take Batman down as well? How long are the Avengers there for? Does Batman even have the time and opportunity to learn their weaknesses in the first place? Why are the Avengers not able to learn Batman's weaknesses and take HIM down?
Who's writing it? How horrible is the dialog? How badly drawn are the costumes?
I don't care about who would win in a Batman vs Avengers fight. I would be super interested in a Batman Vs Avengers framed like the twelve labors of Heracles.
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I feel like Landis' Batman solution sort of works if he is taking on each of the Avengers one at a time
Like, if he has two days to slowly break all of Tony's encryptions
And Natasha isn't standing by with an epinephrine shot when Banner gets darted
And he's just fighting hand to hand with Cap, Nat, and Clint one at a time, rather than all three at once
Isolating and targeting one at a time is more his thing, I feel. Don't let them get a warning out to the others.
While it is
I don't think it would work against a team unit that is used to working together and frequently interacts with itself
Especially given that some of the things he's trying to do could potentially take a good deal of time
Like, yeah, if Banner just up and disappears one day nobody is going to bat an eye at this point
But if you wake up one morning and don't have at least five emails from Tony Stark
You know that something is severely wrong
The Avengers clearly have plenty of downtime where they're not hanging out, though. Tony and Steve are the only ones with high enough public profiles to merit alarm, which really just means you order them appropriately.
Well, whatever the method for generating the lightning, the question would be whether the lightning itself counts as any different than a random lightning strike.
It would affect Superman like regular lightning would a normal person.
He's not weak to magic (like, say, Pokémon type weaknesses), he just doesn't have resistance to it
Well that's the question - if it's magic being used to create regular lightning, it'd affect Superman as much as regular lightning would (ie not at all because he's Superman). If the lightning itself is magic then yeah
I dunno, I seem to recall that Superman is fairly vulnerable to electrocution. Happened all the time on the animated series at least.
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Did you not watch the first Thor movie?
No
Mjolnir isn't impossibly heavy in a gravitational sense, as you might be expecting
It would stay where it was placed, and prevent the person from getting up, but it's not like gravity is worthy of it either
even if he manages to somehow glue both Thor and Mjolnir, does the glue somehow prevent Thor from throwing lightning at Batman
Superman would have to punch thor and hulk a lot more than this
Which Superman are we talking about, actually? I'm not clear if Landis is referring to DCCU characters here (since nobody has really seen DCCU Batman in action)
Certain comicbook versions of Superman would totally run roughshod over the MCU versions of characters.
Like, if he has two days to slowly break all of Tony's encryptions
And Natasha isn't standing by with an epinephrine shot when Banner gets darted
And he's just fighting hand to hand with Cap, Nat, and Clint one at a time, rather than all three at once
Yeah I feel like Thor's lightning bolts would do some serious fucking damage to Supes
The longer that fight goes on the more it will resemble Man of Steel, so I'd argue that Superman still loses.
Man, that'd make even less since given Hulk can't even fly like Zod could, so Superman would have an even easier time getting him to an area where he wouldn't cause damage.
That was the whole point of the Hulkbuster fight, and it didn't work incredibly well.
Yeah, but that was Iron Man in an oversized suit. I'm pretty sure Superman would be a little more effective there.
Superman would definitely have a lot more control over the encounter.
No it's science, didn't you watch the movie?
Technically he says science and magic are one in the same in Asgard; which means it might count as magic.
It would affect Superman like regular lightning would a normal person.
He's not weak to magic (like, say, Pokémon type weaknesses), he just doesn't have resistance to it
Well that's the question - if it's magic being used to create regular lightning, it'd affect Superman as much as regular lightning would (ie not at all because he's Superman). If the lightning itself is magic then yeah
Isolating and targeting one at a time is more his thing, I feel. Don't let them get a warning out to the others.
We need more context for the setup.
Why are the Avengers in the same place as Batman? Why does Batman want to take them down. Do the Avengers want to take Batman down as well? How long are the Avengers there for? Does Batman even have the time and opportunity to learn their weaknesses in the first place? Why are the Avengers not able to learn Batman's weaknesses and take HIM down?
While it is
I don't think it would work against a team unit that is used to working together and frequently interacts with itself
Especially given that some of the things he's trying to do could potentially take a good deal of time
Like, yeah, if Banner just up and disappears one day nobody is going to bat an eye at this point
But if you wake up one morning and don't have at least five emails from Tony Stark
You know that something is severely wrong
I think I would have preferred it be some big dumb argument
This is like the definition of dumb superhero arguments
Who's writing it? How horrible is the dialog? How badly drawn are the costumes?
I don't care about who would win in a Batman vs Avengers fight. I would be super interested in a Batman Vs Avengers framed like the twelve labors of Heracles.
The Avengers clearly have plenty of downtime where they're not hanging out, though. Tony and Steve are the only ones with high enough public profiles to merit alarm, which really just means you order them appropriately.
magic
It's what the Thanagarians use to make their weapons and armor
it has the ability to negate gravity
Could Superman snap Hulk's neck?
I dunno, I seem to recall that Superman is fairly vulnerable to electrocution. Happened all the time on the animated series at least.