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Woo yeah case 1-5 of GAA had the hot series bullshit I'd been missing.
Ah yeaaaaaaaah.
Gundi on
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Andy JoeWe claim the land for the highlord!The AdirondacksRegistered Userregular
GAA 2-3
So many culprits before have put a lot of thought and effort into staging crime scenes to disguise their actions...blackmailing the crime scene investigator seems like cheating.
I know this is weird to say about a game in a series that's like 90% murder trials. But, GAA has so far had quite a more somber tone than the rest of the series. So far, there's been a lot more ambiguous endings and unanswerable questions about the nature of the law than are usually explicitly considered.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
GAA 2-3 spoilers
The fact that Gregson is not only not in jail for being an accessory after the fact to murder but is also doing police work makes me unreasonably angry
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Now that it's the day after let's go into all the wonderfully stupid things in case five that I remember:
-The jury, judge, and prosecutor believing Greydon's stupid story, that he obviously came up with on the spot, despite the fact that it had just been proven that he previously said on the stand was a lie, despite the fact that he had just been implicated in high treason, despite the fact that he's the only other person who could be the murder suspect and is obviously covering for himself, and despite the fact that the events he described made no sense on the face of it. (Even the judge mentions how it sounds utterly ridiculous that Gina had a gun which she threw out the room which Greydon then took away from the scene.)
-The trial not immediately ending upon the reveal that the peephole didn't exist until after the murder, as that fact would make it impossible for Gina to have been the killer. It had been established by multiple witness testimonies that Windibank's one bullet was used to shoot Greydon in the arm. If the only firearm in the room was empty at the time of the murder, and there was no possible way to dispose of anything without opening the door, and no other firearms were found at the crime scene which was almost immediately discovered after the murder, then there's no conceivable way Gina could have shot Windibank. Ergo she's the one person in the world who equivocally could not be the murderer.
-The prosecutor not implicating Greydon for murder once it was discovered he lied about seeing the murder, despite asserting immediately prior to his testimony that if it was discovered his testimony was in any way false it would logically imply him as the murderer.
-Susato not telling anyone besides Sholmes about making the peephole. Making the peephole wasn't a crime (assuming such a device existedusing it in such a situation would be entirely reasonable to ascertain whether someone was injured behind the door in a crisis situation.) but not telling about it was. And it didn't really help as without the ambiguity of the peephole's origins it wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. To be fair the game does basically say it was an emotional gut reaction so I can give it a bit more leeway than the other points.
-Gregson not immediately double crossing Greydon once he had gotten the disc from Greydon. He had no legal obligation to keep his word since the deal he made was blatantly illegal on the face of it, had already gotten the thing he imperatively needed for national security, and was otherwise implicating an innocent person in murder. Was keeping his word to someone he knew was a murderer more important than not falsely implicating a teenage girl in said murder? Like seriously, fuck you Gregson.
The fact that Gregson is not only not in jail for being an accessory after the fact to murder but is also doing police work makes me unreasonably angry
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Don't worry, your anger will be sated, I assure you.
So many culprits before have put a lot of thought and effort into staging crime scenes to disguise their actions...blackmailing the crime scene investigator seems like cheating.
Ace Attorney Investigations 2 actually does something similar, IIRC.
well i guess now i gotta write a rose of versailles inspired fanfic about susato's crossdressing adventures and an ever increasing number of women falling in love with her
I've never played an ace attorney game before, i'm on the 5th case of the first game in the trilogy
I like this case a lot more than the first four, which were a bit too zanily unhinged in terms of how the court works
but then in 5 suddenly everyone seems to remember they're supposed to be lawyers and the entire plot hinges on procedural technicalities and the internal politics of the police department
i mean its still silly but i was very relieved when one of the very first things that happens is Edgeworth invoking the rules about evidence discovery
i know case 5 was a dlc/expansion thing for the nintendo DS and i like how obviously they dropped the first four episodes' effort to make the setting localization friendly by giving the police officer an armband with kanji on it
I've never played an ace attorney game before, i'm on the 5th case of the first game in the trilogy
I like this case a lot more than the first four, which were a bit too zanily unhinged in terms of how the court works
but then in 5 suddenly everyone seems to remember they're supposed to be lawyers and the entire plot hinges on procedural technicalities and the internal politics of the police department
i mean its still silly but i was very relieved when one of the very first things that happens is Edgeworth invoking the rules about evidence discovery
i know case 5 was a dlc/expansion thing for the nintendo DS and i like how obviously they dropped the first four episodes' effort to make the setting localization friendly by giving the police officer an armband with kanji on it
Now that it's the day after let's go into all the wonderfully stupid things in case five that I remember:
-The jury, judge, and prosecutor believing Greydon's stupid story, that he obviously came up with on the spot, despite the fact that it had just been proven that he previously said on the stand was a lie, despite the fact that he had just been implicated in high treason, despite the fact that he's the only other person who could be the murder suspect and is obviously covering for himself, and despite the fact that the events he described made no sense on the face of it. (Even the judge mentions how it sounds utterly ridiculous that Gina had a gun which she threw out the room which Greydon then took away from the scene.)
-The trial not immediately ending upon the reveal that the peephole didn't exist until after the murder, as that fact would make it impossible for Gina to have been the killer. It had been established by multiple witness testimonies that Windibank's one bullet was used to shoot Greydon in the arm. If the only firearm in the room was empty at the time of the murder, and there was no possible way to dispose of anything without opening the door, and no other firearms were found at the crime scene which was almost immediately discovered after the murder, then there's no conceivable way Gina could have shot Windibank. Ergo she's the one person in the world who equivocally could not be the murderer.
-The prosecutor not implicating Greydon for murder once it was discovered he lied about seeing the murder, despite asserting immediately prior to his testimony that if it was discovered his testimony was in any way false it would logically imply him as the murderer.
-Susato not telling anyone besides Sholmes about making the peephole. Making the peephole wasn't a crime (assuming such a device existedusing it in such a situation would be entirely reasonable to ascertain whether someone was injured behind the door in a crisis situation.) but not telling about it was. And it didn't really help as without the ambiguity of the peephole's origins it wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. To be fair the game does basically say it was an emotional gut reaction so I can give it a bit more leeway than the other points.
-Gregson not immediately double crossing Greydon once he had gotten the disc from Greydon. He had no legal obligation to keep his word since the deal he made was blatantly illegal on the face of it, had already gotten the thing he imperatively needed for national security, and was otherwise implicating an innocent person in murder. Was keeping his word to someone he knew was a murderer more important than not falsely implicating a teenage girl in said murder? Like seriously, fuck you Gregson.
It's kind of amazing how everyone who plays this case tears it to shreds and finds new reasons why it was dumb.
Now that it's the day after let's go into all the wonderfully stupid things in case five that I remember:
-The jury, judge, and prosecutor believing Greydon's stupid story, that he obviously came up with on the spot, despite the fact that it had just been proven that he previously said on the stand was a lie, despite the fact that he had just been implicated in high treason, despite the fact that he's the only other person who could be the murder suspect and is obviously covering for himself, and despite the fact that the events he described made no sense on the face of it. (Even the judge mentions how it sounds utterly ridiculous that Gina had a gun which she threw out the room which Greydon then took away from the scene.)
-The trial not immediately ending upon the reveal that the peephole didn't exist until after the murder, as that fact would make it impossible for Gina to have been the killer. It had been established by multiple witness testimonies that Windibank's one bullet was used to shoot Greydon in the arm. If the only firearm in the room was empty at the time of the murder, and there was no possible way to dispose of anything without opening the door, and no other firearms were found at the crime scene which was almost immediately discovered after the murder, then there's no conceivable way Gina could have shot Windibank. Ergo she's the one person in the world who equivocally could not be the murderer.
-The prosecutor not implicating Greydon for murder once it was discovered he lied about seeing the murder, despite asserting immediately prior to his testimony that if it was discovered his testimony was in any way false it would logically imply him as the murderer.
-Susato not telling anyone besides Sholmes about making the peephole. Making the peephole wasn't a crime (assuming such a device existedusing it in such a situation would be entirely reasonable to ascertain whether someone was injured behind the door in a crisis situation.) but not telling about it was. And it didn't really help as without the ambiguity of the peephole's origins it wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. To be fair the game does basically say it was an emotional gut reaction so I can give it a bit more leeway than the other points.
-Gregson not immediately double crossing Greydon once he had gotten the disc from Greydon. He had no legal obligation to keep his word since the deal he made was blatantly illegal on the face of it, had already gotten the thing he imperatively needed for national security, and was otherwise implicating an innocent person in murder. Was keeping his word to someone he knew was a murderer more important than not falsely implicating a teenage girl in said murder? Like seriously, fuck you Gregson.
It's kind of amazing how everyone who plays this case tears it to shreds and finds new reasons why it was dumb.
The hardest part of the latter half of GAA 1-5 is figuring out which blatant contradiction the game wants you to point out when there are so many ways that you can prove the testimony doesn't work.
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Andy JoeWe claim the land for the highlord!The AdirondacksRegistered Userregular
GAA 2-5
I imagine that combination lock puzzle was a bit easier when you could just flip the 3DS upside-down.
GAA 2-5 was one of the most logical and well-structured cases yet, and then they pulled this:
So with the evacuation drill notice, I've established that Gregson could only have been shot between 10:00 and 10:20, and now I have to prove why Kazuma couldn't have shot him. I present Gregson's travel pass, which Kazuma was travelling on as his plus-one, which states that they were due to disembark at Dover. Presumably the crew were checking people's tickets to make sure they didn't stay on past their destination, which means Kazuma was probably off the ship at that point. It's not 100% airtight (prosecution might counter that he could have hidden somewhere on the ship) but it's strong enough to move things along, right?
No. Instead I have to present the evacuation drill notice A SECOND TIME, a piece of evidence which by itself proves nothing about Kazuma's movements, because this prompts him to talk about some OTHER exonerating evidence that isn't even in the court record.
Also we have already proven beyond any doubt that the murderer was someone on the boat, but if I can't prove which one then Von Zieks still goes to jail? I mean a game over's a game over either way, but still.
2-2 is annoying me because I took one look at the crime scene and immediately figured out what happened but of course we gotta spend a bunch of time ignoring the elephant in the room
They have basically never contextualized Game Overs properly in any situation barring the first time they ever tried the "you do not currently want to end the trial in your favor" gambit, and even then I think it could wind up screwy.
Regarding 2-5 specifically:
That point, alongside another point in that same section where you need to prove the existence of a large trunk that isn't in your court record, really feel like they should have just given you the relevant evidence. In both cases, I knew what I was trying to do but could not actually figure out how the game wanted me to bring that up.
If there's ever a new Attorney game where you can actually present evidence in the order you want then I am all aboard. Also some recurring female characters who are alive adults would be nice.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
If there's ever a new Attorney game where you can actually present evidence in the order you want then I am all aboard. Also some recurring female characters who are alive adults would be nice.
Emma is an alive adult
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
So is Maya, as of... I wanna say the third game? Each game is a new year, and Maya was 16 in the first game, I think. Definitely she’s college age by Spirit of Justice, even if she doesn’t act mature a lot of the time.
Lotta Hart was a prolific recurring character in the first trilogy, but she dropped by Apollo’s first game.
Athena is just barely an adult. You’d think I wouldn’t have to confirm that, as she’s a lawyer, but this series loves its improbably young prodigies.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Athena is like, 13 or some shit
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Yeah I should have checked I had my facts straight. I am tired and punchy today.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
To be fair, Maya acts like she’s 16
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
This might be more work overall, but I feel like they could remove the "penalty" system entirely, and just have periodic lines of dialog that change based on how many flubs you've accumulated. Like, at the end of the case your client will either thank you profusely for your skilled defense, down to questioning how you're even licensed to practice law.
My favorite musical instrument is the air-raid siren.
Andy JoeWe claim the land for the highlord!The AdirondacksRegistered Userregular
GAA 2-5
Unless my memory fails me that has to be the most dramatic culprit breakdown in the series.
Overall this was a very satisfying experience. The only thing that feels like it was missing was a case with Sholmes as the defendant (the final Escapade notwithstanding), but they've got to save something for GAA 3, after all.
So that thing I posted earlier ended up being the only hiccup in GAA 2-5, the rest of it was real tight
Tip of the hat to what might be the most unsettling moment in any game I've played
The entire British judiciary chanting "STRONG-HART-STRONG-HART-STRONG-HART" like a bunch of cultists. The narrative never really followed up on how extremely fucked that was.
Also did I miss something or did we never get an answer as to why
That Japanese detective was always coughing up blood? I was sure it was going to turn out that he had a bullet lodged in there, and then he would cough it up mid-trial and it would be entered into the court record like that's a normal thing to happen.
Harebrayne's reaction immediately after admitting that he was probably duped and that his experiment was probably faked, i.e. apologizing to Naruhodo for putting him in a difficult position due to his own lack of judgement, made me like him a lot.
GAA has been pretty good at making me like the clients.
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Andy JoeWe claim the land for the highlord!The AdirondacksRegistered Userregular
Harebrayne's reaction immediately after admitting that he was probably duped and that his experiment was probably faked, i.e. apologizing to Naruhodo for putting him in a difficult position due to his own lack of judgement, made me like him a lot.
GAA has been pretty good at making me like the clients.
It's especially impressive because just a few moments earlier I wanted to strangle him for being so intransigent on exactly that point.
OK, so, Sholmes’s trick of duplicating the music box disc with bars of caramel is funny and clever. But would that actually work?
Sure, he says the composition of the caramel is resistant to melting, but that’s certainly just regarding the heat of one’s pocket. Surely you wouldn’t be able to cast molten metal into that without destroying the caramel?
OK, so, Sholmes’s trick of duplicating the music box disc with bars of caramel is funny and clever. But would that actually work?
Sure, he says the composition of the caramel is resistant to melting, but that’s certainly just regarding the heat of one’s pocket. Surely you wouldn’t be able to cast molten metal into that without destroying the caramel?
Or are those disks made another way?
you could use the caramel to make a mold out of something more heat resistant
the important thing to take away from that is if the caremel he makes is really that tough and durable and able to maintain a shape, then it probably gives him constipation like all the time
2-2 is annoying me because I took one look at the crime scene and immediately figured out what happened but of course we gotta spend a bunch of time ignoring the elephant in the room
credit where it's due, that case ended up making enough swerves that it ended up turning out that i didn't know what was going on right from the jump
my initial assumption was just that the gas poisoned Shamspeare and the "culprit" was either Garrideb for poorly maintaining his property or the gas company. obviously that went out the window as soon as they said he was poisoned by strychnine
it's very funny to me that they treat strychnine like a deadly poison that Olive had to go to a shady black market to buy, since at the time it was treated more like a powerful stimulant
i was honestly pretty disappointed in GAA1, the pacing was just sooooo slow, but 2 seems like it's more dialed-in. They even did a case with multiple days of investigation finally!
2-2 is annoying me because I took one look at the crime scene and immediately figured out what happened but of course we gotta spend a bunch of time ignoring the elephant in the room
credit where it's due, that case ended up making enough swerves that it ended up turning out that i didn't know what was going on right from the jump
my initial assumption was just that the gas poisoned Shamspeare and the "culprit" was either Garrideb for poorly maintaining his property or the gas company. obviously that went out the window as soon as they said he was poisoned by strychnine
it's very funny to me that they treat strychnine like a deadly poison that Olive had to go to a shady black market to buy, since at the time it was treated more like a powerful stimulant
i was honestly pretty disappointed in GAA1, the pacing was just sooooo slow, but 2 seems like it's more dialed-in. They even did a case with multiple days of investigation finally!
Yeah, I was tempted to say. Unless you have prior knowledge that it's possible to put out every pilot light in the building by blowing into a pipe it would be almost impossible to tell what happened at first glance.
2-2 is annoying me because I took one look at the crime scene and immediately figured out what happened but of course we gotta spend a bunch of time ignoring the elephant in the room
credit where it's due, that case ended up making enough swerves that it ended up turning out that i didn't know what was going on right from the jump
my initial assumption was just that the gas poisoned Shamspeare and the "culprit" was either Garrideb for poorly maintaining his property or the gas company. obviously that went out the window as soon as they said he was poisoned by strychnine
it's very funny to me that they treat strychnine like a deadly poison that Olive had to go to a shady black market to buy, since at the time it was treated more like a powerful stimulant
i was honestly pretty disappointed in GAA1, the pacing was just sooooo slow, but 2 seems like it's more dialed-in. They even did a case with multiple days of investigation finally!
Yeah, I was tempted to say. Unless you have prior knowledge that it's possible to put out every pilot light in the building by blowing into a pipe it would be almost impossible to tell what happened at first glance.
Yeah I was just figuring that Natsume's experience with his stove going out was more evidence of shoddy gas pipes
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Steam: pazython
Ah yeaaaaaaaah.
-The trial not immediately ending upon the reveal that the peephole didn't exist until after the murder, as that fact would make it impossible for Gina to have been the killer. It had been established by multiple witness testimonies that Windibank's one bullet was used to shoot Greydon in the arm. If the only firearm in the room was empty at the time of the murder, and there was no possible way to dispose of anything without opening the door, and no other firearms were found at the crime scene which was almost immediately discovered after the murder, then there's no conceivable way Gina could have shot Windibank. Ergo she's the one person in the world who equivocally could not be the murderer.
-The prosecutor not implicating Greydon for murder once it was discovered he lied about seeing the murder, despite asserting immediately prior to his testimony that if it was discovered his testimony was in any way false it would logically imply him as the murderer.
-Susato not telling anyone besides Sholmes about making the peephole. Making the peephole wasn't a crime (assuming such a device existedusing it in such a situation would be entirely reasonable to ascertain whether someone was injured behind the door in a crisis situation.) but not telling about it was. And it didn't really help as without the ambiguity of the peephole's origins it wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. To be fair the game does basically say it was an emotional gut reaction so I can give it a bit more leeway than the other points.
-Gregson not immediately double crossing Greydon once he had gotten the disc from Greydon. He had no legal obligation to keep his word since the deal he made was blatantly illegal on the face of it, had already gotten the thing he imperatively needed for national security, and was otherwise implicating an innocent person in murder. Was keeping his word to someone he knew was a murderer more important than not falsely implicating a teenage girl in said murder? Like seriously, fuck you Gregson.
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Steam: pazython
well i guess now i gotta write a rose of versailles inspired fanfic about susato's crossdressing adventures and an ever increasing number of women falling in love with her
I like this case a lot more than the first four, which were a bit too zanily unhinged in terms of how the court works
i mean its still silly but i was very relieved when one of the very first things that happens is Edgeworth invoking the rules about evidence discovery
i know case 5 was a dlc/expansion thing for the nintendo DS and i like how obviously they dropped the first four episodes' effort to make the setting localization friendly by giving the police officer an armband with kanji on it
PSN/Steam/NNID: SyphonBlue | BNet: SyphonBlue#1126
It's kind of amazing how everyone who plays this case tears it to shreds and finds new reasons why it was dumb.
The hardest part of the latter half of GAA 1-5 is figuring out which blatant contradiction the game wants you to point out when there are so many ways that you can prove the testimony doesn't work.
No. Instead I have to present the evacuation drill notice A SECOND TIME, a piece of evidence which by itself proves nothing about Kazuma's movements, because this prompts him to talk about some OTHER exonerating evidence that isn't even in the court record.
Also we have already proven beyond any doubt that the murderer was someone on the boat, but if I can't prove which one then Von Zieks still goes to jail? I mean a game over's a game over either way, but still.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Regarding 2-5 specifically:
Emma is an alive adult
Lotta Hart was a prolific recurring character in the first trilogy, but she dropped by Apollo’s first game.
Athena is just barely an adult. You’d think I wouldn’t have to confirm that, as she’s a lawyer, but this series loves its improbably young prodigies.
Which is still extremely young to be a lawyer.
Oh, and Maya’s 28 in that game.
I'm "kupiyupaekio" on Discord.
Overall this was a very satisfying experience. The only thing that feels like it was missing was a case with Sholmes as the defendant (the final Escapade notwithstanding), but they've got to save something for GAA 3, after all.
Tip of the hat to what might be the most unsettling moment in any game I've played
Also did I miss something or did we never get an answer as to why
2. Naruhodo should probably stop reading trashy magazines.
3. Madame Tusspells has powerful lesbian energies.
GAA has been pretty good at making me like the clients.
Sure, he says the composition of the caramel is resistant to melting, but that’s certainly just regarding the heat of one’s pocket. Surely you wouldn’t be able to cast molten metal into that without destroying the caramel?
Or are those disks made another way?
http://www.audioentropy.com/
credit where it's due, that case ended up making enough swerves that it ended up turning out that i didn't know what was going on right from the jump
it's very funny to me that they treat strychnine like a deadly poison that Olive had to go to a shady black market to buy, since at the time it was treated more like a powerful stimulant
i was honestly pretty disappointed in GAA1, the pacing was just sooooo slow, but 2 seems like it's more dialed-in. They even did a case with multiple days of investigation finally!
http://www.audioentropy.com/
http://www.audioentropy.com/