Oceans Soon Too Acidic and Messed Up to Sustain Complex Ecosystems

BranniganSepp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_mMb0AwCcc

One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to see this one coming. I've been thinking to myself for years that life in the seas won't take our abuse all too much longer. This shit's been irreversibly doomed for decades, as far as I see it. The writing on the wall just becomes big enough for everyone to read it clearly now.

However, micro organisms such as krill and sea plankton might actually increase due to climate change and pollution. Which got me thinking, whoever genetically modifies or breeds sea mammals to flourish in these apocalyptic conditions, such as manatees, and turns them into micro organism gobblin' protein producing machines will soon make a fortune with sea bacon (tastes like shrimp) and sea milk (tastes like clam chowder). Rebrand the manatees or whatever as *Sea Hogs*, the pork of the seven seas.

Really, the only half-way humane way to stop this disastrous trend of pollution, overpopulation? The only surefire way of putting an end to world hunger and poverty, and all its hideous consequences? Chemically neuter and spay all of humanity, so only those with the wealth and the unfaltering will to procrate actually can and will procreate artificially. Keep this up for a couple of generations, and the wretched poor and hungry will go unborn, world population will decline and ultimately stagnate at a hopefully sustainable number, and our species will have a fighting chance to ward off impending doom and the oblivion of the total extinction.

Take this all with a huge grain of salt. It's more of a jest than actual conviction, but to a certain degree, I think I can stand by some of this horrendous shit as factual. This direction of thinking is actually where feasible solutions for the bigger predicaments of humanity could be found, short of completely overthrowing current limitations and paradigms with revolutionary science and extreme economic prowess.

What say you? And also, go watch Channel 4's Utopia, if you haven't already, which plays with these types of ideas and perspectives and concepts in a highly entertaining manner.

Beef Avenger

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Really, the only half-way humane way to stop this disastrous trend of pollution, overpopulation? The only surefire way of putting an end to world hunger and poverty, and all its hideous consequences? Chemically neuter and spade all of humanity, so only those with the wealth and the unfaltering will to procrate actually can and will procreate artificially. Keep this up for a couple of generations, and the wretched poor and hungry will go unborn, world population will decline and ultimately stagnate at a hopefully sustainable number, and our species will have a fighting chance to ward off impending doom and the oblivion of the total extinction of our species.

what

Hobnail

You heard him

Snicketysnick

I'm not sure about the topic, but Utopia is totally worth a watch if you haven't seen it. Fair warning though, it is graphically violent in parts.

BranniganSepp

Beef Avenger wrote: »

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Really, the only half-way humane way to stop this disastrous trend of pollution, overpopulation? The only surefire way of putting an end to world hunger and poverty, and all its hideous consequences? Chemically neuter and spade all of humanity, so only those with the wealth and the unfaltering will to procrate actually can and will procreate artificially. Keep this up for a couple of generations, and the wretched poor and hungry will go unborn, world population will decline and ultimately stagnate at a hopefully sustainable number, and our species will have a fighting chance to ward off impending doom and the oblivion of the total extinction of our species.

what

As in our species is a mass extinction event in itself (as pretty much every scientist worth their salt will tell you), and if we don't pay close attention to what we're doing, we ourselves might ultimately end up on the long list of species that go extinct because of us.

Humanity needs to better manage itself, that much is obvious. How, and how plentiful we procreate is on the top of the list of things we can do to better control the impact we have on our planet. This kind of birth control is just one obvious theoretically feasible solution to this factual predicament we're facing.

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

I agree, OP. Destroy my dick and balls.

Pinfeldorf

The one thing I know about what humanity has done to ocean life:

Over just my lifetime, the population of the king crab has been reduced by almost 90%. The blue fin tuna is close to 85% with other tuna species trailing at closer to half. This is just from the stuff we eat, and these are the ones I know of because, specifically, it's what my mom sold and my dad caught. Back in 1986 the quota for a king crab ship in Alaska was 50,000 tons, and they would catch that in 45-60 days. The quota is now 30,000 tons and a ship is lucky to catch that in 6 months! And there are over three times as many ships up there now as there were in the 80s/90s. It's pretty staggering to think we're possibly reducing a species into protected/endangered just because we eat a fuckton of it. How are chickens and cows not protected?

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

How are chickens and cows not protected?

that's kind of a non-sequitur to the rest of what you posted since crabs are as far as i know almost entirely if not entirely wild-caught but cattle and poultry are domesticated and thus "produced" in what amounts to an agricultural assembly line; the impacts of land-based meat farming have more to do with water/soil quality impacts than with the risks of the species being consumed at an unsustainable rate

Turambar

whoa

Platy

How about we sterilize those populations with gross ressource and energy demands instead of sterilizing the "poor and hungry"

Fuzzytadpole

Fuck eugenics though

Uriel

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

Pinfeldorf

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

How are chickens and cows not protected?

that's kind of a non-sequitur to the rest of what you posted since crabs are as far as i know almost entirely if not entirely wild-caught but cattle and poultry are domesticated and thus "produced" in what amounts to an agricultural assembly line; the impacts of land-based meat farming have more to do with water/soil quality impacts than with the risks of the species being consumed at an unsustainable rate

Well, of course, but we could have started up farms for ocean life back in the 80s, too. But, you know...

Clint Eastwood

Five years from now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBTdfAkqGU

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

How are chickens and cows not protected?

that's kind of a non-sequitur to the rest of what you posted since crabs are as far as i know almost entirely if not entirely wild-caught but cattle and poultry are domesticated and thus "produced" in what amounts to an agricultural assembly line; the impacts of land-based meat farming have more to do with water/soil quality impacts than with the risks of the species being consumed at an unsustainable rate

Well, of course, but we could have started up farms for ocean life back in the 80s, too. But, you know...

aquaculture exists for plenty of species

here is some discussion of why it's difficult to do with king crab and what progress has been made in spite of those challenges

jgeis

We've got to melt the ice caps faster, to balance out the oceans' PH.

WheatBun01

No eugenics megathreads.

Marathon

WheatBun01 wrote: »

No eugenics megathreads.

Sterilize the users before the thread grows out of control

JebusUD

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

I agree, OP. Destroy my dick and balls.

BranniganSepp

Uriel wrote: »

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

According to Freakonomics Planned Parenthood worked wonders for crime rates in the US, why shouldn't the same be true for world hunger and poverty and overpopulation, and to a lesser extent pollution?

It doesn't have to be eugenics. A simple statement of people like the Pope about the meaning of human life not necessarily being procreation, and promoting birth control as a net positive would already help a lot. Extreme population management has obviously many downfalls, see China's one-child-policy and their increasing lack of women.

I'm just taking the logical extreme of that direction of thinking to make my point.

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

Fuzzytadpole wrote: »

Fuck eugenics though

there is to be NO fucking of ANYTHING in here without prior approval

#pipe

Did you know the world-wide birthrate has been steadily and significantly declining since the 50s? That it's almost half what it was in 1955?

Did you know that world hunger and poverty has been dramatically declining in the last 50 years? (in fact the UN estimates the worldwide rate of poverty has declined more in the last 50 years than in the last 500) The percentage of people living below the poverty line across the world has reduced from 43% in 1990 to 20% in 2015.

Did you know that reducing infant mortality (which is also dramatically lower than 50 years ago) and increasing living standards and life expectancy is actually shown to lower population growth and make it more stable instead of increasing it?

2015 is the best year for a human to be alive.
You are more likely to be safe, educated and live into adulthood than ever before. It didn't take global birth control to make it happen, it took dedication, research, time and accountability.

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

#pipe

Don't get your fucking worldview from reddit or fox news. The good old days are a farce, the doom is overblown. The world is probably not going to end on your watch. If you wanna change the world, the best thing you can do is vote.

DisruptedCapitalist

churchofeuthanasia dot org

Don't go there at work.

Prayer for a Good Death
by Rev. Chris Korda

Great Spirit, I am unworthy;
My species has disgraced itself.
Of all the species that live, or have ever lived,
Mine is the lowliest.
Lower than the flowers who fill the air with sweet pollen,
Lower than the trees who encircle the Earth with their roots,
Lower than the insects, rulers of Earth
Since the beginning of time,
Lower than the darting fish,
Lower than the soaring birds,
Lower than the four-legged creatures,
Who are the beating heart of the living Earth.

Great Spirit, my shame is as deep as the ocean,
And my sadness is unbearable.
I pray for enlightenment,
But fear that my prayer is too late.
Great Spirit, if this be so, then I pray for extinction.
Let my species become extinct, and vanish from the Earth.
Let my loins be barren,
Let my seed not sprout,
Let the race of men fall like leaves.
Let my fields grow wild,
Let my fences crumble,
Let my cities turn to dust, and become forests.
Let the grass drink my blood;
Let my body be food for worms.
Great Spirit, let me die, that the Earth may live.

REally really insane part of the intertubez

Uriel

Even if you aren't an optimist I don't think you can blame these kinds of massive environmental problems and worldwide hunger and poverty on "Overpopulation"

jgeis

#pipe wrote: »

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

Look at this prude.

JebusUD

jgeis wrote: »

#pipe wrote: »

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

Look at this prude.

Who wants to live in the kind of world where there isn't mass dick removal?

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Uriel wrote: »

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

According to Freakonomics Planned Parenthood worked wonders for crime rates in the US, why shouldn't the same be true for world hunger and poverty and overpopulation, and to a lesser extent pollution?

It doesn't have to be eugenics. A simple statement of people like the Pope about the meaning of human life not necessarily being procreation, and promoting birth control as a net positive would already help a lot. Extreme population management has obviously many downfalls, see China's one-child-policy and their increasing lack of women.

I'm just taking the logical extreme of that direction of thinking to make my point.

logical extremes are generally most useful in the deployment of satire to make a thing look stupid

just something to think about next time, if this is an earnest thread

BranniganSepp

#pipe wrote: »

Did you know the world-wide birthrate has been steadily and significantly declining since the 50s? That it's almost half what it was in 1955?

Did you know that world hunger and poverty has been dramatically declining in the last 50 years? (in fact the UN estimates the worldwide rate of poverty has declined more in the last 50 years than in the last 500) The percentage of people living below the poverty line across the world has reduced from 43% in 1990 to 20% in 2015.

Did you know that reducing infant mortality (which is also dramatically lower than 50 years ago) and increasing living standards and life expectancy is actually shown to lower population growth and make it more stable instead of increasing it?

2015 is the best year for a human to be alive.
You are more likely to be safe, educated and live into adulthood than ever before. It didn't take global birth control to make it happen, it took dedication, research, time and accountability.

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

I think coming at this topic with relative numbers is a fallacy, because some circumstances are rather absolute (limited ressources, limited amount of pollution the environment can handle, limited living space etc.). I think absolute numbers are much more pertinent in regards to pollution, for example.

There are more people than ever on the planet, and problems like pollution prevent decreased infant mortality and increasing living standards from being automatic net wins for our species. As much as it's a human achievement, these achievments also magnify the mounting problems of pollution and overpopulation and climate change, one that optimism and humanism cannot easily overcome, if at all.

Maybe a shift from humanism to post-humanism is in order, if not now, then soon, depending on how dire circumstances will become.

Tofystedeth

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Uriel wrote: »

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

According to Freakonomics Planned Parenthood worked wonders for crime rates in the US, why shouldn't the same be true for world hunger and poverty and overpopulation, and to a lesser extent pollution?

It doesn't have to be eugenics. A simple statement of people like the Pope about the meaning of human life not necessarily being procreation, and promoting birth control as a net positive would already help a lot. Extreme population management has obviously many downfalls, see China's one-child-policy and their increasing lack of women.

I'm just taking the logical extreme of that direction of thinking to make my point.

Ooooorrrr... instead of the ethical, not to mention logistical* nightmare of chemically sterilizing 9 billion people against their will, we could just increase the economic power, education, and bodily autonomy of those in developing countries (especially women) and provide access to contraceptives and birth rates will naturally decline below replacement level, as it tends to in every developed society.

*any method of delivery of these chemicals would almost assuredly be an environmental catastrophe as well, if for no other reason than they will probably be excreted in our waste.

BranniganSepp

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Uriel wrote: »

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

According to Freakonomics Planned Parenthood worked wonders for crime rates in the US, why shouldn't the same be true for world hunger and poverty and overpopulation, and to a lesser extent pollution?

It doesn't have to be eugenics. A simple statement of people like the Pope about the meaning of human life not necessarily being procreation, and promoting birth control as a net positive would already help a lot. Extreme population management has obviously many downfalls, see China's one-child-policy and their increasing lack of women.

I'm just taking the logical extreme of that direction of thinking to make my point.

logical extremes are generally most useful in the deployment of satire to make a thing look stupid

just something to think about next time, if this is an earnest thread

Quote from my OP...

Take this all with a huge grain of salt. It's more of a jest than actual conviction, but to a certain degree, I think I can stand by some of this horrendous shit as factual. This direction of thinking is actually where feasible solutions for the bigger predicaments of humanity could be found, short of completely overthrowing current limitations and paradigms with revolutionary science and extreme economic prowess.

Pinfeldorf

JebusUD wrote: »

jgeis wrote: »

#pipe wrote: »

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

Look at this prude.

Who wants to live in the kind of world where there isn't mass dick removal?

Dick Cheney, Dick Van Dyke, Dick Clark?

Uriel

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

JebusUD wrote: »

jgeis wrote: »

#pipe wrote: »

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

Look at this prude.

Who wants to live in the kind of world where there isn't mass dick removal?

Dick Cheney, Dick Van Dyke, Dick Clark?

Dick Wolf?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3MuUTmXNk

ceres

A small but incredibly significant thing to do on just about every environmental front imaginable is find whatever ways you can to reduce your plastic usage. There are so, so many reasons to do this, and so many little things you can do. You don't have to go full-on granola to make small changes that can do so much.

Those things also tend to be pretty sound financial decisions.

#pipe

BranniganSepp wrote: »

#pipe wrote: »

Did you know the world-wide birthrate has been steadily and significantly declining since the 50s? That it's almost half what it was in 1955?

Did you know that world hunger and poverty has been dramatically declining in the last 50 years? (in fact the UN estimates the worldwide rate of poverty has declined more in the last 50 years than in the last 500) The percentage of people living below the poverty line across the world has reduced from 43% in 1990 to 20% in 2015.

Did you know that reducing infant mortality (which is also dramatically lower than 50 years ago) and increasing living standards and life expectancy is actually shown to lower population growth and make it more stable instead of increasing it?

2015 is the best year for a human to be alive.
You are more likely to be safe, educated and live into adulthood than ever before. It didn't take global birth control to make it happen, it took dedication, research, time and accountability.

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

I think coming at this topic with relative numbers is a fallacy, because some circumstances are rather absolute (limited ressources, limited amount of pollution the environment can handle, limited living space etc.). I think absolute numbers are much more pertinent in regards to pollution, for example.

You think relative numbers are more of a fallacy than no numbers at all?

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

BranniganSepp wrote: »

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Uriel wrote: »

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

According to Freakonomics Planned Parenthood worked wonders for crime rates in the US, why shouldn't the same be true for world hunger and poverty and overpopulation, and to a lesser extent pollution?

It doesn't have to be eugenics. A simple statement of people like the Pope about the meaning of human life not necessarily being procreation, and promoting birth control as a net positive would already help a lot. Extreme population management has obviously many downfalls, see China's one-child-policy and their increasing lack of women.

I'm just taking the logical extreme of that direction of thinking to make my point.

logical extremes are generally most useful in the deployment of satire to make a thing look stupid

just something to think about next time, if this is an earnest thread

Quote from my OP...

Take this all with a huge grain of salt. It's more of a jest than actual conviction, but to a certain degree, I think I can stand by some of this horrendous shit as factual. This direction of thinking is actually where feasible solutions for the bigger predicaments of humanity could be found, short of completely overthrowing current limitations and paradigms with revolutionary science.

okay, so you're earnest

go reread @#pipe's posts until you feel better i guess

Daypigeon

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Really, the only half-way humane way to stop this disastrous trend of pollution, overpopulation? The only surefire way of putting an end to world hunger and poverty, and all its hideous consequences? Chemically neuter and spade all of humanity, so only those with the wealth and the unfaltering will to procrate actually can and will procreate artificially.

keep your garden tools away from my private parts

BranniganSepp

#pipe wrote: »

BranniganSepp wrote: »

#pipe wrote: »

Did you know the world-wide birthrate has been steadily and significantly declining since the 50s? That it's almost half what it was in 1955?

Did you know that world hunger and poverty has been dramatically declining in the last 50 years? (in fact the UN estimates the worldwide rate of poverty has declined more in the last 50 years than in the last 500) The percentage of people living below the poverty line across the world has reduced from 43% in 1990 to 20% in 2015.

Did you know that reducing infant mortality (which is also dramatically lower than 50 years ago) and increasing living standards and life expectancy is actually shown to lower population growth and make it more stable instead of increasing it?

2015 is the best year for a human to be alive.
You are more likely to be safe, educated and live into adulthood than ever before. It didn't take global birth control to make it happen, it took dedication, research, time and accountability.

Call me an optimist, but I think we'll be ok without all cutting our dicks off thank you very much.

I think coming at this topic with relative numbers is a fallacy, because some circumstances are rather absolute (limited ressources, limited amount of pollution the environment can handle, limited living space etc.). I think absolute numbers are much more pertinent in regards to pollution, for example.

You think relative numbers are more of a fallacy than no numbers at all?

Absolute numbers. Population growth worldwide. Recent past to present and projection up to 2050. Relativate this.

Chincymcchilla

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

I agree, OP. Destroy my dick and balls.

Please use high heels

Liiya

ceres wrote: »

A small but incredibly significant thing to do on just about every environmental front imaginable is find whatever ways you can to reduce your plastic usage. There are so, so many reasons to do this, and so many little things you can do. You don't have to go full-on granola to make small changes that can do so much.

Those things also tend to be pretty sound financial decisions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVh15aUt8-c

OmnipotentBagel

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

BranniganSepp wrote: »

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN wrote: »

BranniganSepp wrote: »

Uriel wrote: »

The teenager's answer to global problems.

Eugenics.

According to Freakonomics Planned Parenthood worked wonders for crime rates in the US, why shouldn't the same be true for world hunger and poverty and overpopulation, and to a lesser extent pollution?

It doesn't have to be eugenics. A simple statement of people like the Pope about the meaning of human life not necessarily being procreation, and promoting birth control as a net positive would already help a lot. Extreme population management has obviously many downfalls, see China's one-child-policy and their increasing lack of women.

I'm just taking the logical extreme of that direction of thinking to make my point.

logical extremes are generally most useful in the deployment of satire to make a thing look stupid

just something to think about next time, if this is an earnest thread

Quote from my OP...

Take this all with a huge grain of salt. It's more of a jest than actual conviction, but to a certain degree, I think I can stand by some of this horrendous shit as factual. This direction of thinking is actually where feasible solutions for the bigger predicaments of humanity could be found, short of completely overthrowing current limitations and paradigms with revolutionary science.

okay, so you're earnest

go reread @#pipe's posts until you feel better i guess

Not just the ones in this thread. All of them. In all threads.