Part of me wants to think it's some kind of fake-out, but even in a world of wizards and faeries it's pretty clear that dead is dead in the Dresdenverse.
Harry'd never stoop to Necromancy and Time-Travel would probably introduce too many problems just to save one life.
After 16 novels it just feels so... arbitrary.
I should point out she'll probably be back for the big finale. Einherjar are explicitly referenced in Ragnarok.
Part of me wants to think it's some kind of fake-out, but even in a world of wizards and faeries it's pretty clear that dead is dead in the Dresdenverse.
Harry'd never stoop to Necromancy and Time-Travel would probably introduce too many problems just to save one life.
Part of me wants to think it's some kind of fake-out, but even in a world of wizards and faeries it's pretty clear that dead is dead in the Dresdenverse.
Harry'd never stoop to Necromancy and Time-Travel would probably introduce too many problems just to save one life.
After 16 novels it just feels so... arbitrary.
Are you kidding?
He absolutely would do something like that.
It's almost traditional.
Every woman close to Dresden dies. The lady in the second book, Susan, Murphy. Even Lucio was mind raped into it
Part of me wants to think it's some kind of fake-out, but even in a world of wizards and faeries it's pretty clear that dead is dead in the Dresdenverse.
Harry'd never stoop to Necromancy and Time-Travel would probably introduce too many problems just to save one life.
After 16 novels it just feels so... arbitrary.
Are you kidding?
He absolutely would do something like that.
You really think Dresden would turn to necromancy just go bring Murphy back?
I'm pretty sure he views it as one of the most perverse uses of magic. He wouldn't do that to her.
I might could see him attempting time-travel to stop her death but... if he'd done that it would've already been done. Because of the time travel.
Part of me wants to think it's some kind of fake-out, but even in a world of wizards and faeries it's pretty clear that dead is dead in the Dresdenverse.
Harry'd never stoop to Necromancy and Time-Travel would probably introduce too many problems just to save one life.
After 16 novels it just feels so... arbitrary.
Are you kidding?
He absolutely would do something like that.
You really think Dresden would turn to necromancy just go bring Murphy back?
I'm pretty sure he views it as one of the most perverse uses of magic. He wouldn't do that to her.
I might could see him attempting time-travel to stop her death but... if he'd done that it would've already been done. Because of the time travel.
Oh, to be more specific
I don't think he'd go to necromancy, but he'd absolutely try and do a light bit of time travel to save Murphy.
Part of me wants to think it's some kind of fake-out, but even in a world of wizards and faeries it's pretty clear that dead is dead in the Dresdenverse.
Harry'd never stoop to Necromancy and Time-Travel would probably introduce too many problems just to save one life.
After 16 novels it just feels so... arbitrary.
Are you kidding?
He absolutely would do something like that.
You really think Dresden would turn to necromancy just go bring Murphy back?
I'm pretty sure he views it as one of the most perverse uses of magic. He wouldn't do that to her.
I might could see him attempting time-travel to stop her death but... if he'd done that it would've already been done. Because of the time travel.
Oh, to be more specific
I don't think he'd go to necromancy, but he'd absolutely try and do a light bit of time travel to save Murphy.
After
Twelve Months comes Mirror Mirror.
Maybe time travel comes in then?
I love the idea of the Dresden Files. The setting is second to none and the magic system is brilliant! Power is will and experience, but subjected to physics - that's a great hook.
Then the whole 'everything is real' and 'power is commensurate to mortal belief in said power ' leads to some real interesting setups.
Twenty years of power creep starts to fuck up a lot of the character dynamics.
And we still haven't gotten my personal prophecies
Marcone becomes a Knight of the Cross. Justin DuMorne is Cowl.
My personal prophecy's a bit adjacent to that first one:
I sorta expect Nicodemus will turn at some point. Not all the way to Knighthood, but turn nonetheless.
Partly because there's an interesting character arc there, and it's not like Butcher hasn't been grinding him down over the last several books, but moreso because Butcher's said his decisionmaking process centers around whatever bugs Harry the most and can you imagine how bugged he would be by that?
I love the idea of the Dresden Files. The setting is second to none and the magic system is brilliant! Power is will and experience, but subjected to physics - that's a great hook.
Then the whole 'everything is real' and 'power is commensurate to mortal belief in said power ' leads to some real interesting setups.
Twenty years of power creep starts to fuck up a lot of the character dynamics.
And we still haven't gotten my personal prophecies
Marcone becomes a Knight of the Cross. Justin DuMorne is Cowl.
My personal prophecy's a bit adjacent to that first one:
I sorta expect Nicodemus will turn at some point. Not all the way to Knighthood, but turn nonetheless.
Partly because there's an interesting character arc there, and it's not like Butcher hasn't been grinding him down over the last several books, but moreso because Butcher's said his decisionmaking process centers around whatever bugs Harry the most and can you imagine how bugged he would be by that?
I hope not:
Nic should have stayed dead. So any redemption of his is going to fall totally flat for me. Of all the people to resurrect why him.
As for breaking the laws and necromancy: If Sue didn't count, I can see Harry rezzing some bad guy for some vital information to save the world or Maggie.
I love the idea of the Dresden Files. The setting is second to none and the magic system is brilliant! Power is will and experience, but subjected to physics - that's a great hook.
Then the whole 'everything is real' and 'power is commensurate to mortal belief in said power ' leads to some real interesting setups.
Twenty years of power creep starts to fuck up a lot of the character dynamics.
And we still haven't gotten my personal prophecies
Marcone becomes a Knight of the Cross. Justin DuMorne is Cowl.
My personal prophecy's a bit adjacent to that first one:
I sorta expect Nicodemus will turn at some point. Not all the way to Knighthood, but turn nonetheless.
Partly because there's an interesting character arc there, and it's not like Butcher hasn't been grinding him down over the last several books, but moreso because Butcher's said his decisionmaking process centers around whatever bugs Harry the most and can you imagine how bugged he would be by that?
I hope not:
Nic should have stayed dead. So any redemption of his is going to fall totally flat for me. Of all the people to resurrect why him.
As for breaking the laws and necromancy: If Sue didn't count, I can see Harry rezzing some bad guy for some vital information to save the world or Maggie.
Nicodemus never died? Harry choked him out, yeah, but it's pretty clear in Small Favor he didn't get to finish the job.
That said him quoting the same line as an Outsider is uh, yeah no redemption coming there unless it turns out Hell was getting played by Outside or some shit.
I love the idea of the Dresden Files. The setting is second to none and the magic system is brilliant! Power is will and experience, but subjected to physics - that's a great hook.
Then the whole 'everything is real' and 'power is commensurate to mortal belief in said power ' leads to some real interesting setups.
Twenty years of power creep starts to fuck up a lot of the character dynamics.
And we still haven't gotten my personal prophecies
Marcone becomes a Knight of the Cross. Justin DuMorne is Cowl.
My personal prophecy's a bit adjacent to that first one:
I sorta expect Nicodemus will turn at some point. Not all the way to Knighthood, but turn nonetheless.
Partly because there's an interesting character arc there, and it's not like Butcher hasn't been grinding him down over the last several books, but moreso because Butcher's said his decisionmaking process centers around whatever bugs Harry the most and can you imagine how bugged he would be by that?
I hope not:
Nic should have stayed dead. So any redemption of his is going to fall totally flat for me. Of all the people to resurrect why him.
As for breaking the laws and necromancy: If Sue didn't count, I can see Harry rezzing some bad guy for some vital information to save the world or Maggie.
Nicodemus never died? Harry choked him out, yeah, but it's pretty clear in Small Favor he didn't get to finish the job.
That said him quoting the same line as an Outsider is uh, yeah no redemption coming there unless it turns out Hell was getting played by Outside or some shit.
I'm guessing the big Apocalyptic Trilogy that's supposed to end the series...
Will see all factions aligned against the Outsiders after Harry does a Full on Harry and manages to fuck the Gates up while fixing an apparently unrelated issue. ("Vegeta NO!" "Vegeta, YESSSS!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhEXLnfmGJc)
Heaven, Hell, The Greek Pantheon, The Norse Pantheon, Summer, Winter, The Wild Hunt, The Vampires (well, white court anyway). Maybe Jade will be brought in at some point to fill the Red/Black power vacuum left in Harry's wake)... The White Council, The Grey, The Black, The Hedge Wizards, The Knights, The Denarians, The Vanilla Humans...
The alternative is all of the above plus Outsiders versus something worse than the Outsiders. The "Whatever is chasing the Tyrannids" option.
The fate of the Cinder Spires may be decided by crossed swords in the next exhilarating fantasy adventure in the New York Times bestselling series of noble families, swordplay, and airships.
For centuries the Cinder Spires have safeguarded humanity, rising far above the deadly surface world. Within their halls, aristocratic houses rule, developing scientific marvels and building fleets of airships for defense and trade.
Now, the Spires hover on the brink of open war.
Everyone knows it's coming. The guns of the great airship fleets that control the skies between the last bastions of humanity will soon speak in anger, and Spire Albion stands alone against the overwhelming might of Spire Aurora's Armada and its new secret weapon--one capable of destroying the populations of entire Spires.
A trading summit at Spire Olympia provides an opportunity for the Spirearch, Lord Albion, to secure alliances that will shape the outcomes of the war, and to that end he dispatches privateer Captain Francis Madison Grimm and the crew of the AMS Predator to bolster the Spirearch's diplomatic agents.
It will take daring, skill, and no small amount of showmanship to convince the world to stand with Spire Albion--assuming that it is not already too late.
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The fate of the Cinder Spires may be decided by crossed swords in the next exhilarating fantasy adventure in the New York Times bestselling series of noble families, swordplay, and airships.
For centuries the Cinder Spires have safeguarded humanity, rising far above the deadly surface world. Within their halls, aristocratic houses rule, developing scientific marvels and building fleets of airships for defense and trade.
Now, the Spires hover on the brink of open war.
Everyone knows it's coming. The guns of the great airship fleets that control the skies between the last bastions of humanity will soon speak in anger, and Spire Albion stands alone against the overwhelming might of Spire Aurora's Armada and its new secret weapon--one capable of destroying the populations of entire Spires.
A trading summit at Spire Olympia provides an opportunity for the Spirearch, Lord Albion, to secure alliances that will shape the outcomes of the war, and to that end he dispatches privateer Captain Francis Madison Grimm and the crew of the AMS Predator to bolster the Spirearch's diplomatic agents.
It will take daring, skill, and no small amount of showmanship to convince the world to stand with Spire Albion--assuming that it is not already too late.
My hope is that everything rests on an alliance of cats.
I can hardly recall anything from book 1, so better give it a re-read (or listen to) before 2 hits. Hope 2 grabs me more.
All I remember are the cats and thinking that Butcher is wildly good at writing action sequences. He's very clear and every step is easy to understand and visualize.
I am in the business of saving lives.
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I can hardly recall anything from book 1, so better give it a re-read (or listen to) before 2 hits. Hope 2 grabs me more.
I know I didn't finish it. I got to the part where
All three female characters are captured by the Big Bad and need to be rescued. Looking back that could be a "need" and they might in fact rescue themselves, but at the time I was just exasperated
So yeah, if anybody remembers how that part plays out please spoil me on it. I remember really liking Gwen(?) and the cat. Cat whisperer and crazy girl were okay, but not my favorites
I can hardly recall anything from book 1, so better give it a re-read (or listen to) before 2 hits. Hope 2 grabs me more.
I know I didn't finish it. I got to the part where
All three female characters are captured by the Big Bad and need to be rescued. Looking back that could be a "need" and they might in fact rescue themselves, but at the time I was just exasperated
So yeah, if anybody remembers how that part plays out please spoil me on it. I remember really liking Gwen(?) and the cat. Cat whisperer and crazy girl were okay, but not my favorites
Bridget manages to slip/snap her bonds, get some Crystals to Folly, who uses them to catch some gauntlet blasts from Sark but catches a Mental Whammy from Cavendish. This does lead to Folly meeting The Enemy. Cavendish orders the Silkweavers to kill Bridget and Folly, but that is blocked when the crew of the Predator and the Verminociter guild charge in to get the Silkweavers. But they end up getting pushed back themselves and everybody gets rescued by hundreds of cats, many of whom are wearing bladed spurs.
Also you are wrong. 2 out 3 were captured, the other is just out of commission from taking out a Silkweaver Matriarch. Gwen gets treated by Efferus before he gets disabled, so she is back in commission pretty soon.
Cinder Spires Book 2: The Olympian Affair was released. I am adding to my library queue instead of buying it as I am doing with all books. But just and FYI for people.
Cinder Spires Book 2: The Olympian Affair was released. I am adding to my library queue instead of buying it as I am doing with all books. But just and FYI for people.
I'm very excited, if I remember a dang thing from the first book other than "I liked it".
Cinder Spires Book 2: The Olympian Affair was released. I am adding to my library queue instead of buying it as I am doing with all books. But just and FYI for people.
I'm very excited, if I remember a dang thing from the first book other than "I liked it".
Cinder Spires Book 2: The Olympian Affair was released. I am adding to my library queue instead of buying it as I am doing with all books. But just and FYI for people.
I'm very excited, if I remember a dang thing from the first book other than "I liked it".
Thanks for the heads up! I just finished a re-read of part one a bit ago, and thought I had a bit longer til part 2, so restarted the Codex Alera series. Guess I need to hurry through that to get to more Cinder Spire.
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Has anyone read his son's stuff yet?
Is it any good?
are YOU on the beer list?
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Cinder Spires Book 2: The Olympian Affair was released. I am adding to my library queue instead of buying it as I am doing with all books. But just and FYI for people.
I'm very excited, if I remember a dang thing from the first book other than "I liked it".
Everyone was described as blockish. Everyone. The main characters have to stay a certain distance apart or form a tetris and annihilate.
- Mac
- Marcone's goon Hendricks
- That detective from Book 2, I think Carmichael
- Rawlings
-
And almond shaped eyes, which leads me to believe this man has either never seen an almond or an eye.
His level of detail and intrigue of Shakespearian Faerie is only rivaled by Seanan McGuire or Patricia Briggs, maybe.
His ability to not write like he's describing Bella in Twilight, not so much.
(edit: for the record I love Dresden I reread at least 3-5 of the series every year, it's just fun to point out stuff)
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I finally reached the front of the line to borrow Olympian Affair and I enjoyed it a great deal. Love the characters in this series. Eager to have the next book somewhat quicker than this one. I think there are somethings he forgot that he wrote in the first book because it was so long ago and he was thinking of dropping the book but nothing huge.
It's...fine. It has some good ideas and there are threads to create a bigger overall narrative, but Butcher Jr. has decided to do multiple POV characters and he's just not good enough of a writer to give them each an authentic and genuine feel.
So, everyone ends up feeling samey. It's also a big problem that his most interesting character isn't the protagonist and it's made worse because we get POV from that interesting person and you're left with 'I want to hang out with that person, not this dip!'
Butcher Jr. is also not nearly as good as clearly and concisely describing action.
I am suspicious if he would have been published without ye olde nepotism.
Spoilered problems with it below.
Grimmsby is supposed to be the hero because he has the conviction to act. He isn't the strongest or fastest and not nearly the smartest, but he has the drive to choose to act and help people. That's the whole arc from book one and his he impressed the Huntsman.
Then you spend the first half of book two of him bitching and complaining and being an all around weenie. You retread the same shit as before.
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Are you kidding?
He absolutely would do something like that.
It's almost traditional.
I'm pretty sure he views it as one of the most perverse uses of magic. He wouldn't do that to her.
I might could see him attempting time-travel to stop her death but... if he'd done that it would've already been done. Because of the time travel.
Everything with the T-Rex might count for necromancy, but you never know.
Personally, I ascribe to the popular theory that Harry is Merlin or will at least interact with Merlin before the end of the series.
Oh, to be more specific
After
Maybe time travel comes in then?
My personal prophecy's a bit adjacent to that first one:
Partly because there's an interesting character arc there, and it's not like Butcher hasn't been grinding him down over the last several books, but moreso because Butcher's said his decisionmaking process centers around whatever bugs Harry the most and can you imagine how bugged he would be by that?
I hope not:
As for breaking the laws and necromancy: If Sue didn't count, I can see Harry rezzing some bad guy for some vital information to save the world or Maggie.
That said him quoting the same line as an Outsider is uh, yeah no redemption coming there unless it turns out Hell was getting played by Outside or some shit.
I'm guessing the big Apocalyptic Trilogy that's supposed to end the series...
Heaven, Hell, The Greek Pantheon, The Norse Pantheon, Summer, Winter, The Wild Hunt, The Vampires (well, white court anyway). Maybe Jade will be brought in at some point to fill the Red/Black power vacuum left in Harry's wake)... The White Council, The Grey, The Black, The Hedge Wizards, The Knights, The Denarians, The Vanilla Humans...
The alternative is all of the above plus Outsiders versus something worse than the Outsiders. The "Whatever is chasing the Tyrannids" option.
https://www.amazon.com/Olympian-Affair-Cinder-Spires/dp/0451466829/ref=pd_lutyp_d_bmx_gp_3i7j835n_sccl_1_2/144-7108334-6580700?pd_rd_w=Zj50X&content-id=amzn1.sym.e2c19929-b6eb-463c-8a56-678ffafc621e&pf_rd_p=e2c19929-b6eb-463c-8a56-678ffafc621e&pf_rd_r=ZHE49EMJ23DDH7NG5A5K&pd_rd_wg=gEZrb&pd_rd_r=f3b125d5-b04e-430d-a01d-d651c3c4660a&pd_rd_i=0451466829&psc=1
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For centuries the Cinder Spires have safeguarded humanity, rising far above the deadly surface world. Within their halls, aristocratic houses rule, developing scientific marvels and building fleets of airships for defense and trade.
Now, the Spires hover on the brink of open war.
Everyone knows it's coming. The guns of the great airship fleets that control the skies between the last bastions of humanity will soon speak in anger, and Spire Albion stands alone against the overwhelming might of Spire Aurora's Armada and its new secret weapon--one capable of destroying the populations of entire Spires.
A trading summit at Spire Olympia provides an opportunity for the Spirearch, Lord Albion, to secure alliances that will shape the outcomes of the war, and to that end he dispatches privateer Captain Francis Madison Grimm and the crew of the AMS Predator to bolster the Spirearch's diplomatic agents.
It will take daring, skill, and no small amount of showmanship to convince the world to stand with Spire Albion--assuming that it is not already too late.
My hope is that everything rests on an alliance of cats.
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All I remember are the cats and thinking that Butcher is wildly good at writing action sequences. He's very clear and every step is easy to understand and visualize.
Thou Shall not kill
Rules Harry technically broke:
Thou shalt not invade the mind of another
Thou Shalt Not Reach Beyond the Borders of Life
I know I didn't finish it. I got to the part where
So yeah, if anybody remembers how that part plays out please spoil me on it. I remember really liking Gwen(?) and the cat. Cat whisperer and crazy girl were okay, but not my favorites
Also you are wrong. 2 out 3 were captured, the other is just out of commission from taking out a Silkweaver Matriarch. Gwen gets treated by Efferus before he gets disabled, so she is back in commission pretty soon.
Not Dresden but related.
Cinder Spires Book 2: The Olympian Affair was released. I am adding to my library queue instead of buying it as I am doing with all books. But just and FYI for people.
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Only if it is people. Otherwise gray area?
Sue has opinions on this. T-Rex opinions.
I'm very excited, if I remember a dang thing from the first book other than "I liked it".
The cats.
That is all I remember.
Cats.
There, that's the important bits.
Is it any good?
Everyone was described as blockish. Everyone. The main characters have to stay a certain distance apart or form a tetris and annihilate.
- Mac
- Marcone's goon Hendricks
- That detective from Book 2, I think Carmichael
- Rawlings
-
And almond shaped eyes, which leads me to believe this man has either never seen an almond or an eye.
His level of detail and intrigue of Shakespearian Faerie is only rivaled by Seanan McGuire or Patricia Briggs, maybe.
His ability to not write like he's describing Bella in Twilight, not so much.
(edit: for the record I love Dresden I reread at least 3-5 of the series every year, it's just fun to point out stuff)
It is descent.
It's...fine. It has some good ideas and there are threads to create a bigger overall narrative, but Butcher Jr. has decided to do multiple POV characters and he's just not good enough of a writer to give them each an authentic and genuine feel.
So, everyone ends up feeling samey. It's also a big problem that his most interesting character isn't the protagonist and it's made worse because we get POV from that interesting person and you're left with 'I want to hang out with that person, not this dip!'
Butcher Jr. is also not nearly as good as clearly and concisely describing action.
I am suspicious if he would have been published without ye olde nepotism.
Spoilered problems with it below.
Then you spend the first half of book two of him bitching and complaining and being an all around weenie. You retread the same shit as before.
So he takes after his dad then.