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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    That was a rhetorical question. Don't engage with these people. From now on habitual troll feeders will get the same punishment as the troll.

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    GethGeth Legion Perseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
    Robot Santa detected banned alias
    Reason: master_sword

    A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors.
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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    Lol

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Now you've done it. Robot Santa will kill us all, and I'm sure I only half deserve it.

    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Merry Xmas everyone!

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    The important thing is we're all together for Xmas. And even though I'm surrounded by robots and monsters and old people, I've never felt more at home.

    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    armageddonboundarmageddonbound Registered User regular
    My views align very much with Mike and Jerry's. We are from generation x, the site has become a millennial majority, if I were to fancy an educated guess.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/millennials-more-likely-to-support-censo

    If you are ok with companies and artists being bullied into self censorship by idealouges, because you "dont care" for the thing being censored, you are a part of the problem. Our democracy is damaged when people are only willing to defend freedoms that they currently enjoy. Censorship is still censorship, even when it comes from a place other than law.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2015
    My views align very much with Mike and Jerry's. We are from generation x, the site has become a millennial majority, if I were to fancy an educated guess.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/millennials-more-likely-to-support-censo

    If you are ok with companies and artists being bullied into self censorship by idealouges, because you "dont care" for the thing being censored, you are a part of the problem. Our democracy is damaged when people are only willing to defend freedoms that they currently enjoy. Censorship is still censorship, even when it comes from a place other than law.

    Feeling this way, I'm astonished that you still post on this forum, knowing that the corporation of Penny Arcade will censor your views if you choose to be offensive to the other people on these forums. Is not the moderation of Tube and the mods expressly against your ideas of freedom of speech?

    Cambiata on
    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2015
    Heh. Are we back to the "lol millennial" argument again? :D

    The original Pew Research poll linked in that libertarian blog:
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

    The more interesting thing from that poll is that the US is an anomaly.
    Overall, our global survey found that a majority of Americans say that people should be able to say offensive things about minority groups publicly. Two-thirds of Americans say this, compared with a median of 35% among the 38 nations we polled.
    In Europe, where long-simmering racial tensions are of a different nature, compounded by the recent flow of migrants from North Africa and the Middle East, people are more willing than Americans to accept government controls on speech against minorities. A median of 49% across the six EU nations surveyed say this compared with 28% of Americans.
    Seven-in-ten Germans say this should be the case (where there are clear laws against hate speech), as do 62% of Italians and half of Poles. The French are divided, with 48% saying that the government should have the ability to prevent speech that is offensive to minority groups, while 51% say people should be able to say these things publicly.

    There are MANY questions here, not answers. Are millennials simply more aligned with views espoused by Europeans because of the globalization of media? What about the 27% of the Gen Xers and 24% of Boomers who also believe this? What would happen to the poll if you asked the questions in a more specific or precise manner? (Do you believe in jailing people who say offensive things? What about fines instead? Should police be involved?)

    Nothing from this poll suggests "censorship is still censorship, even when it comes from a place other than law", either. It is specifically targeted toward government censorship against language harmful to racial minorities. It also doesn't target LGBT issues or religious views.

    EDIT: Whoops, not against racial minorities, against language harmful to racial minorities. :D

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    armageddonboundarmageddonbound Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    My views align very much with Mike and Jerry's. We are from generation x, the site has become a millennial majority, if I were to fancy an educated guess.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/millennials-more-likely-to-support-censo

    If you are ok with companies and artists being bullied into self censorship by idealouges, because you "dont care" for the thing being censored, you are a part of the problem. Our democracy is damaged when people are only willing to defend freedoms that they currently enjoy. Censorship is still censorship, even when it comes from a place other than law.

    Feeling this way, I'm astonished that you still post on this forum, knowing that the corporation of Penny Arcade will censor your views if you choose to be offensive to the other people on these forums. Is not the moderation of Tube and the mods expressly against your ideas of freedom of speech?
    I don't think you are astonished by that. You probably know, that I know, that there is a difference between forum posts and commercially available arts & entertainment.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2015
    Cambiata wrote: »
    My views align very much with Mike and Jerry's. We are from generation x, the site has become a millennial majority, if I were to fancy an educated guess.

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/millennials-more-likely-to-support-censo

    If you are ok with companies and artists being bullied into self censorship by idealouges, because you "dont care" for the thing being censored, you are a part of the problem. Our democracy is damaged when people are only willing to defend freedoms that they currently enjoy. Censorship is still censorship, even when it comes from a place other than law.

    Feeling this way, I'm astonished that you still post on this forum, knowing that the corporation of Penny Arcade will censor your views if you choose to be offensive to the other people on these forums. Is not the moderation of Tube and the mods expressly against your ideas of freedom of speech?
    I don't think you are astonished by that. You probably know, that I know, that there is a difference between forum posts and commercially available arts & entertainment.

    How would I know that's specifically what you meant? You, and others, have railed on this forum about how wrong it is for, say, Gawker to close their comments section as that is censorship. How on earth could I possibly keep track of what inalienable rights you take unto yourself on the private money of others?

    I mean I've seen people in the hub seriously talk as if my not buying a video game because I dislike the politics of the game as being the same thing as censorship. As if game companies are owed my money whether I like their game or not.

    Cambiata on
    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    Could everyone just wait a few days before going back to business as usual? It's the holiday forums this time of year, and some of us would like to continue partying and being happy. :D

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    armageddonboundarmageddonbound Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Heh. Are we back to the "lol millennial" argument again? :D

    The original Pew Research poll linked in that libertarian blog:
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

    The more interesting thing from that poll is that the US is an anomaly.
    Overall, our global survey found that a majority of Americans say that people should be able to say offensive things about minority groups publicly. Two-thirds of Americans say this, compared with a median of 35% among the 38 nations we polled.
    In Europe, where long-simmering racial tensions are of a different nature, compounded by the recent flow of migrants from North Africa and the Middle East, people are more willing than Americans to accept government controls on speech against minorities. A median of 49% across the six EU nations surveyed say this compared with 28% of Americans.
    Seven-in-ten Germans say this should be the case (where there are clear laws against hate speech), as do 62% of Italians and half of Poles. The French are divided, with 48% saying that the government should have the ability to prevent speech that is offensive to minority groups, while 51% say people should be able to say these things publicly.

    There are MANY questions here, not answers. Are millennials simply more aligned with views espoused by Europeans because of the globalization of media? What about the 27% of the Gen Xers and 24% of Boomers who also believe this? What would happen to the poll if you asked the questions in a more specific or precise manner? (Do you believe in jailing people who say offensive things? What about fines instead? Should police be involved?)

    Nothing from this poll suggests "censorship is still censorship, even when it comes from a place other than law", either. It is specifically targeted toward government censorship against racial minorities. It also doesn't target LGBT issues or religious views.

    I think you are confused, it could be because I'm not clear. The poll shows that there is a very real difference between the views of millenials and the previous generation when it comes to censorship. Specifically "American Millennials are far more likely than older generations to say the government should be able to prevent people from saying offensive statements about minority groups".

    "I" contend that censorship is censorship. When a work is made not available, then its not available. Whether by government hand or idealouges, the result is the same.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Could everyone just wait a few days before going back to business as usual? It's the holiday forums this time of year, and some of us would like to continue partying and being happy. :D

    Today is boxing day, a day only slightly less drenched in evil than Black Friday. Plus I'm stuck at work for another 30 min.

    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    *shrugs* I tried. See you in a few days.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    Seeing as how this thread was long dead I think you can both probably stand to give it a rest.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Seeing as how this thread was long dead I think you can both probably stand to give it a rest.

    Well, "stuck at work for another 30 minutes" was meant to communicate, "I'll no longer care about this conversation in 30 minutes."

    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    armageddonboundarmageddonbound Registered User regular
    edited December 2015
    armageddonbound was warned for this.
    Tube wrote: »
    Seeing as how this thread was long dead I think you can both probably stand to give it a rest.

    Who are you talking to, and how are they supposed to know or care that you think conversation is now done? If you don't like a thread topic maybe you should make a final post that says "Tube doesn't like this topic" and then just close the thread? Alternatively you could just let people make, on topic, posts in a thread, on a forum whose sole purpose is for such activity.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Seeing as how this thread was long dead I think you can both probably stand to give it a rest.

    Who are you talking to, and how are they supposed to know or care that you think conversation is now done?

    He was talking to you and to me, and we're supposed to know because he just told us.

    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    Compare and contrast, from January 2006 - roughly ten years ago.

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    one might even infer from this that the authors' position w/r/t the industry had changed in that time

    the above poster said what I've felt about this stuff for a while; tycho can engage with this stuff or not if he thinks it's worthwhile, but if he doesn't then it really shouldn't be the subject of a 750 word newspost where the reader is told how passe it all is

    hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
    that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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    GaryPotterGaryPotter Registered User regular
    GaryPotter wrote: »
    It's pretty obvious they are wringing the SJW hate for all it is worth.

    And who can blame them? They sensed an opportunity and went with it and it payed dividends. I'm sure the wrath of all those middle-aged former game journos clacking away about how "problematic" that one little tweet was will bring them down any day now though. I for one am shaking in my boots.

    Also, I don't believe for a second anyone who says they'll stop shopping at Play-Asia for this ever actually did so.

    Did it pay dividends? I haven't seen anything substantial from this, aside from the $12 price cut, that was totally due to the game selling so well.

    They certainly sold more than they would have without this so-called "controversy".

    This whole thing is fascinating to me. So much wailing and gnashing of teeth over anime boobs.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    GaryPotter wrote: »
    GaryPotter wrote: »
    It's pretty obvious they are wringing the SJW hate for all it is worth.

    And who can blame them? They sensed an opportunity and went with it and it payed dividends. I'm sure the wrath of all those middle-aged former game journos clacking away about how "problematic" that one little tweet was will bring them down any day now though. I for one am shaking in my boots.

    Also, I don't believe for a second anyone who says they'll stop shopping at Play-Asia for this ever actually did so.

    Did it pay dividends? I haven't seen anything substantial from this, aside from the $12 price cut, that was totally due to the game selling so well.

    They certainly sold more than they would have without this so-called "controversy".

    This whole thing is fascinating to me. So much wailing and gnashing of teeth over anime boobs.

    I'd have to see some kind of firm proof of that, I wouldn't take it on assumption. Because the audience for a bad volleyball video game, even one with lots of boobs, is already a select one. It's easy enough to find pictures and videos of real boobs on the internet for free. The people who bought the game are the people who would have bought it anyway. No one else wanted to buy it.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    GaryPotter wrote: »
    GaryPotter wrote: »
    It's pretty obvious they are wringing the SJW hate for all it is worth.

    And who can blame them? They sensed an opportunity and went with it and it payed dividends. I'm sure the wrath of all those middle-aged former game journos clacking away about how "problematic" that one little tweet was will bring them down any day now though. I for one am shaking in my boots.

    Also, I don't believe for a second anyone who says they'll stop shopping at Play-Asia for this ever actually did so.

    Did it pay dividends? I haven't seen anything substantial from this, aside from the $12 price cut, that was totally due to the game selling so well.

    They certainly sold more than they would have without this so-called "controversy".

    Have they? Because the game hasn't come out yet and there aren't any actual sales figures available to anyone yet.

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