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Sometimes you guys get pretty dark. I'm from your generation, and I'm a huge nerd. I've watched Star Wars many times, but I still agree with Younger Gabe. They hype and sheer size of the fandom for Star Wars, does not- in my opinion- match its actual quality. The problem here is that the younger generation isn't watching Star Wars with nostalgia goggles on, and they realize what I've always realized, because I refused to sheep-follow popular geek opinion, just because it's considered nearly a blaspheme to do so: Literally thousands of things have come out since Star Wars began, that are massively, mind-blowingly better than Star Wars. And you can't make kids under a certain age like it, without deliberately denying them access to newer content and media.
I think this is a pretty universal thing. We all disappoint our parents in our choice of hobbies and fandoms, only to be disappointed by our children in turn.
In 30 years Gabe the Younger will have to deal with the fact that Gabe the Even Younger isn't interested in setting up his own Minecraft server or creating his own games.
Besides the obvious fact of changing tastes, I'd say that while the overall quality of cinema or entertainment in general has not necessarily gone up, everything has at least had the foundation of past entertainment to build on. It's hard to appreciate Star Wars when so many other stories since are better than Star Wars, but only exist because of Star Wars. If anything Star Wars seems unoriginal because more recent stuff, that younger folks have probably seen first, did what Star Wars did, but better.
Besides the obvious fact of changing tastes, I'd say that while the overall quality of cinema or entertainment in general has not necessarily gone up, everything has at least had the foundation of past entertainment to build on. It's hard to appreciate Star Wars when so many other stories since are better than Star Wars, but only exist because of Star Wars. If anything Star Wars seems unoriginal because more recent stuff, that younger folks have probably seen first, did what Star Wars did, but better.
I think this has been my issue. I saw Star Wars for the first time around 12 but by that point had also seen Aliens, Robocop, Jurassic Park, Starship Troopers, Independence Day, etc. I never thought Star Wars was bad but it never really grabbed me or my wife until we played KotOR. The new movie is the first to have us excited too since it looks to be finally moving away from the OT. Even though it's obviously not done with it yet.
Besides the obvious fact of changing tastes, I'd say that while the overall quality of cinema or entertainment in general has not necessarily gone up, everything has at least had the foundation of past entertainment to build on. It's hard to appreciate Star Wars when so many other stories since are better than Star Wars, but only exist because of Star Wars. If anything Star Wars seems unoriginal because more recent stuff, that younger folks have probably seen first, did what Star Wars did, but better.
Same with popular "classics" since the beginning.
Gilgamesh is pretty important. There's some interesting stuff in it. It's kind of garbage.
Besides the obvious fact of changing tastes, I'd say that while the overall quality of cinema or entertainment in general has not necessarily gone up, everything has at least had the foundation of past entertainment to build on. It's hard to appreciate Star Wars when so many other stories since are better than Star Wars, but only exist because of Star Wars. If anything Star Wars seems unoriginal because more recent stuff, that younger folks have probably seen first, did what Star Wars did, but better.
Same with popular "classics" since the beginning.
Gilgamesh is pretty important. There's some interesting stuff in it. It's kind of garbage.
Dang kids and their new-fangled Beowulf.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
I was born in 1977, the same year Star Wars came out, so I grew up with it.
But I also always knew how, for lack of a better word, "fluffy" Star Wars is as sci fi/fantasy. It looks mighty good, but there's not much substance. I didn't collect the toys, I didn't even know that there was a character named Boba Fett until I was an adult. And it wasn't because of newer media coming out later, it was in fact because of older things like reading Lord of the Rings and Dune as a youngster.
Still a good fun romp, though. And the games built on that universe tend to be enjoyable.
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sequel to this comic:
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Old Gabe can comfort himself knowing that one day PewDiePie will show up in a Tide commercial and Young Gabe will dispair.
Sometimes you guys get pretty dark. I'm from your generation, and I'm a huge nerd. I've watched Star Wars many times, but I still agree with Younger Gabe. They hype and sheer size of the fandom for Star Wars, does not- in my opinion- match its actual quality. The problem here is that the younger generation isn't watching Star Wars with nostalgia goggles on, and they realize what I've always realized, because I refused to sheep-follow popular geek opinion, just because it's considered nearly a blaspheme to do so: Literally thousands of things have come out since Star Wars began, that are massively, mind-blowingly better than Star Wars. And you can't make kids under a certain age like it, without deliberately denying them access to newer content and media.
For me it's never been the movies themselves as much as the universe that the movies created. KOTOR and Jedi Academy were what really started my fandom.
ha great comic, glad I saw the film last night before I saw this strip pop up on facebook, since some no-chin internet douche decided to drop spoilers in the comments. If you havent seen the movie yet.. do yourself a favor and go dark until you do.
Thanks for confirming for me that the spoiler was true
ha great comic, glad I saw the film last night before I saw this strip pop up on facebook, since some no-chin internet douche decided to drop spoilers in the comments. If you havent seen the movie yet.. do yourself a favor and go dark until you do.
Yeah, you need to be cautious.
It'd suck if someone spoiled the climax, where Chewbacca is finally caught by trappers. That final scene, with the pelt hanging to dry... haunting stuff.
Kylo Ren is actually a good guy, sent from the future to protect Finn Connor, the future leader of the Resistance. The film this references was the first I ever had spoiled on the internet.
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Sometimes you guys get pretty dark. I'm from your generation, and I'm a huge nerd. I've watched Star Wars many times, but I still agree with Younger Gabe. They hype and sheer size of the fandom for Star Wars, does not- in my opinion- match its actual quality. The problem here is that the younger generation isn't watching Star Wars with nostalgia goggles on, and they realize what I've always realized, because I refused to sheep-follow popular geek opinion, just because it's considered nearly a blaspheme to do so: Literally thousands of things have come out since Star Wars began, that are massively, mind-blowingly better than Star Wars. And you can't make kids under a certain age like it, without deliberately denying them access to newer content and media.
I've actually never seen Star Wars, and I'm planning to watch it this weekend before I see The Force Awakens. I'm curious to see where I'll fall on the original trilogy, and I wonder if my fondness for KOTOR and such might have an effect on my opinion of the films.
So the takeaway is that the prequels are responsible for turning off an entire generation to Star Wars?
...even if it's not, that's what I'm going to take from it.
Thanks, Lucas.
I think its just one of those things, I wasnt born when Star Wars came out nor was I old enough to see Empire or Jedi in the theatre, I do recall my parents renting the series on Betamax (oooh yea) and watching it with them and I loved it. We never had a mess of Star Wars toys though, I had like the Bespin Speeder Pilot.. C3-P0 that was in pieces and had the mesh backpack for chewie to hold and I think one of the green palace guards of Jabbas (Luke sliced him in RotJ) I wanted a toy lightsaber but never got one., we did have the read along cassette books though for all 3 of the films.. Oh and I had a Star Wars pop up book that was totally sweet)
Then it faded from the toy scene and there wasnt other films or such. While you would catch Star Wars on TV here and there (I made sure to always watch when it was being aired) there really wasnt anything at the time that gave the same experience. I didnt get into the EU or read any of the books, did end up working in a video store for years and bought the digitally remastered THX widescreen edition when it was released on VHS.. and I think there was a run of it in the theatre before special editions showed up but I could be wrong.
In one way or another if the films really grabbed you then you could easily just steep yourself in it. Now a days for kids there is a million different stories , games, movies and shows that all are competing for viewers. Why pretend to play star wars when you can be an Avenger or a pokemon trainer or just disapeer into Minecraft.
Sometimes you guys get pretty dark. I'm from your generation, and I'm a huge nerd. I've watched Star Wars many times, but I still agree with Younger Gabe. They hype and sheer size of the fandom for Star Wars, does not- in my opinion- match its actual quality. The problem here is that the younger generation isn't watching Star Wars with nostalgia goggles on, and they realize what I've always realized, because I refused to sheep-follow popular geek opinion, just because it's considered nearly a blaspheme to do so: Literally thousands of things have come out since Star Wars began, that are massively, mind-blowingly better than Star Wars. And you can't make kids under a certain age like it, without deliberately denying them access to newer content and media.
For me it's never been the movies themselves as much as the universe that the movies created. KOTOR and Jedi Academy were what really started my fandom.
I think this sums it up for me. I liked the original trilogy, in the same way that I like "classic" sci-fi movies like Terminator and Alien. I liked The Force Awakens in the same way that I liked the Star Trek reboot or other attempts to breathe new life into an aging series. But the games where you got to actually interact with some of the amazing worlds these movies introduced us to.
I was never into star wars as a kid, until I played Jedi Knight.
Strange to call a game "Jedi" Knight when all you do is force choke people and then throw them off of cliffs. I guess "Space Wizard Chokey Knight" doesn't have the same mystique.
That's more Outcast and Academy! Jedi Knight didn't have the same use for choke. You do still shoot and chop a lot of people though.
I thought you could still choke people off cliffs in Jedi Knight! It's been too long I guess. You could still force pull weapons and then beat people to death with your hands / lightsaber, right? In retrospect the game was kind of a really amazing quake-ish mod.
Shame the series seems to have died out. I'd love a cooperative Jedi Acadmey game.
Okay, so I made a silly post, but I was really into Star Wars as a kid. I watched the first movie when it was first broadcast, at a really early age. My first, vague, movie memory is Chewbacca and Han in a cockpit. Someone we knew taped it, and I watched it religiously for years, every weekend.
Now, this is before the Internet, so imagine young Grislo, blissfully unaware, browsing tapes in a local VHS rental shop, and stumbling across a movie called 'The Empire Strikes Back'...
I think I watched the movies on television, but my parents recorded them, so I watched them a bunch of times. Rewatching tapes was one of my first major pastimes.
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Besides the obvious fact of changing tastes, I'd say that while the overall quality of cinema or entertainment in general has not necessarily gone up, everything has at least had the foundation of past entertainment to build on. It's hard to appreciate Star Wars when so many other stories since are better than Star Wars, but only exist because of Star Wars. If anything Star Wars seems unoriginal because more recent stuff, that younger folks have probably seen first, did what Star Wars did, but better.
Same with popular "classics" since the beginning.
Gilgamesh is pretty important. There's some interesting stuff in it. It's kind of garbage.
Star Wars is basically the sci-fi equivalent of The Beatles: i.e., very famous, very influential, very good, but overrated. Not overrated in the sense of a mediocre thing being made to sound good, but overrated in the sense of the concept of the good thing outgrowing the actual thing so that it must exist in the surreal state of living in its own shadow.
It reminds me of Lewis Black's story about how CBS was doing a show based on his on-stage persona, and they flew him to audition to play the role of... himself. And all the drugs in the world could not have prepared him for the day where he would have to audition to be himself. And then, to make it even better, they told him he had given a pretty good audition, but someone else had given a BETTER one. "Unbeknowns to me... there was a better me."
This is pretty much the reality that Star Wars exists in now.
I never really understood why people liked the movies so much, but some of the spin-offs were interesting. Loved the Kotor games, even played the online one for a while, until they ruined it with F2p. Used to run around as a Sith with dual white sabers, hunting Jedi. Was a real dick about it, because...RP...lol
I tried what Felixtkatt suggested, and still couldn't see the comic, nor any from the past. This saddens me, although maybe it's for my own good because spoilers?
Star Wars is meh and now the Beatles are overrated. Jesus fuck.
Overrated =/= bad, though!
It's like expecting the strongest man in the world to literally be superman. He cannot do that. It is not possible. He can't live up to the legend people now expect him to live up to. BUT HE'S STILL THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD.
Star Wars is meh and now the Beatles are overrated. Jesus fuck.
Overrated =/= bad, though!
It's like expecting the strongest man in the world to literally be superman. He cannot do that. It is not possible. He can't live up to the legend people now expect him to live up to. BUT HE'S STILL THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD.
If that makes sense.
while "overrated" is correct, I feel that it is such a loaded word now that if someone says something is overrated they think it deserves none of the praise that it gets. Beatles, fuck yes they deserve praise, are they the second coming.. bigger than Jesus no.. same thing with Star Wars, deserves the heaps of praise that it gets but the series is almost mythic now.. like William Wallace with the fire from his eyes and lightning from his arse.
I enjoy Star Wars, but I'll admit that I do roll my eyes a bit at my friends who post on social media when they are about to introduce their children to it for the first time as if it's some huge milestone in the child's life.
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In 30 years Gabe the Younger will have to deal with the fact that Gabe the Even Younger isn't interested in setting up his own Minecraft server or creating his own games.
I think this has been my issue. I saw Star Wars for the first time around 12 but by that point had also seen Aliens, Robocop, Jurassic Park, Starship Troopers, Independence Day, etc. I never thought Star Wars was bad but it never really grabbed me or my wife until we played KotOR. The new movie is the first to have us excited too since it looks to be finally moving away from the OT. Even though it's obviously not done with it yet.
found this pretty funny!
Same with popular "classics" since the beginning.
Gilgamesh is pretty important. There's some interesting stuff in it. It's kind of garbage.
Dang kids and their new-fangled Beowulf.
But I also always knew how, for lack of a better word, "fluffy" Star Wars is as sci fi/fantasy. It looks mighty good, but there's not much substance. I didn't collect the toys, I didn't even know that there was a character named Boba Fett until I was an adult. And it wasn't because of newer media coming out later, it was in fact because of older things like reading Lord of the Rings and Dune as a youngster.
Still a good fun romp, though. And the games built on that universe tend to be enjoyable.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Thanks!
For me it's never been the movies themselves as much as the universe that the movies created. KOTOR and Jedi Academy were what really started my fandom.
Thanks for confirming for me that the spoiler was true
Yeah, you need to be cautious.
It'd suck if someone spoiled the climax, where Chewbacca is finally caught by trappers. That final scene, with the pelt hanging to dry... haunting stuff.
-P. J. O'Rourke
Darth Vader is
-P. J. O'Rourke
...even if it's not, that's what I'm going to take from it.
Thanks, Lucas.
I've actually never seen Star Wars, and I'm planning to watch it this weekend before I see The Force Awakens. I'm curious to see where I'll fall on the original trilogy, and I wonder if my fondness for KOTOR and such might have an effect on my opinion of the films.
I think its just one of those things, I wasnt born when Star Wars came out nor was I old enough to see Empire or Jedi in the theatre, I do recall my parents renting the series on Betamax (oooh yea) and watching it with them and I loved it. We never had a mess of Star Wars toys though, I had like the Bespin Speeder Pilot.. C3-P0 that was in pieces and had the mesh backpack for chewie to hold and I think one of the green palace guards of Jabbas (Luke sliced him in RotJ) I wanted a toy lightsaber but never got one., we did have the read along cassette books though for all 3 of the films.. Oh and I had a Star Wars pop up book that was totally sweet)
Then it faded from the toy scene and there wasnt other films or such. While you would catch Star Wars on TV here and there (I made sure to always watch when it was being aired) there really wasnt anything at the time that gave the same experience. I didnt get into the EU or read any of the books, did end up working in a video store for years and bought the digitally remastered THX widescreen edition when it was released on VHS.. and I think there was a run of it in the theatre before special editions showed up but I could be wrong.
In one way or another if the films really grabbed you then you could easily just steep yourself in it. Now a days for kids there is a million different stories , games, movies and shows that all are competing for viewers. Why pretend to play star wars when you can be an Avenger or a pokemon trainer or just disapeer into Minecraft.
I think this sums it up for me. I liked the original trilogy, in the same way that I like "classic" sci-fi movies like Terminator and Alien. I liked The Force Awakens in the same way that I liked the Star Trek reboot or other attempts to breathe new life into an aging series. But the games where you got to actually interact with some of the amazing worlds these movies introduced us to.
Strange to call a game "Jedi" Knight when all you do is force choke people and then throw them off of cliffs. I guess "Space Wizard Chokey Knight" doesn't have the same mystique.
I thought you could still choke people off cliffs in Jedi Knight! It's been too long I guess. You could still force pull weapons and then beat people to death with your hands / lightsaber, right? In retrospect the game was kind of a really amazing quake-ish mod.
Shame the series seems to have died out. I'd love a cooperative Jedi Acadmey game.
Now, this is before the Internet, so imagine young Grislo, blissfully unaware, browsing tapes in a local VHS rental shop, and stumbling across a movie called 'The Empire Strikes Back'...
Hey now them's fighting words.
I was super into star wars and then I played Outcast for like two years straight. Other games might as well have stopped existing.
It reminds me of Lewis Black's story about how CBS was doing a show based on his on-stage persona, and they flew him to audition to play the role of... himself. And all the drugs in the world could not have prepared him for the day where he would have to audition to be himself. And then, to make it even better, they told him he had given a pretty good audition, but someone else had given a BETTER one. "Unbeknowns to me... there was a better me."
This is pretty much the reality that Star Wars exists in now.
it was this one
-P. J. O'Rourke
Overrated =/= bad, though!
It's like expecting the strongest man in the world to literally be superman. He cannot do that. It is not possible. He can't live up to the legend people now expect him to live up to. BUT HE'S STILL THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD.
If that makes sense.
while "overrated" is correct, I feel that it is such a loaded word now that if someone says something is overrated they think it deserves none of the praise that it gets. Beatles, fuck yes they deserve praise, are they the second coming.. bigger than Jesus no.. same thing with Star Wars, deserves the heaps of praise that it gets but the series is almost mythic now.. like William Wallace with the fire from his eyes and lightning from his arse.
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