And it sold OK on DVD/Blu-Ray. Better than both Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 but a lot less than Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, and even the first Iron Man.
Money wasn't exactly the only problem execs had with it, Marvel films usually aren't that polarizing. IM 3 was, but it broke the billion dollar barrier so that made it less of a big deal than it otherwise would have been - and it was the third movie in a successful franchise not the first.
i forgot about IM3, i burned that movie from my memory
That movie was excellent it did something different I will fight you.
I really liked the message at the end.
When Tony comes to the realization that he is the superhero, not the suit of armor. When he said "I am Iron Man" in the first film he was saying "Yeah, I'm the guy in the suit." but now he's saying "Iron Man is who I am, the suit is just gear." I thought that was just great.
Yeah, it did better than any of Marvel's first attempts with the exception of the Avengers, which was itself really a sequel to every Marvel property running at the time.
I imagine BvS will quite easily clear a Billy. The DCCU is going to be in very good shape as long as Suicide Squad doesn't suck a big one.
it made more than most of the marvel movies aside from avengers 1/2, guardians and TWS i think
it definitely made more than thor 1, thor 2, ant-man, ironman 1 and 2, cap 1, hulk
It did about equal with thor 2 actually, once you factor in production fee's.
More to the point though it should do better on name recognition alone.
Further, your analogy ignores that aside from Ant-Man (a movie whose production was plagued with problems and a bunch of dirty laundry being aired) every marvel movie released since then has done as well if not better then MoS, and I don't see Civil war or Doc Strange being duds.
Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
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Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
That can't be right. If you went to any middle school in America and showed students pictures of Thor and pictures of Superman, you're saying Thor is more recognizable than Superman?
Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
That can't be right. If you went to any middle school in America and showed students pictures of Thor and pictures of Superman, you're saying Thor is more recognizable than Superman?
Right now?
Yeah I actually have no idea. Quite possibly Thor would win there.
Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
That can't be right. If you went to any middle school in America and showed students pictures of Thor and pictures of Superman, you're saying Thor is more recognizable than Superman?
I'm saying they're equally recognizable now.
Hence why Superman wouldn't necessarily beat him.
Superman was popular in the 80s and 90s because he was in a TON of media. Movies, tv shows, cartoons, comics. What's he in now? A single movie. Occasionally stopping by in some Batman cartoons. A few cartoon direct release movies.
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Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
That can't be right. If you went to any middle school in America and showed students pictures of Thor and pictures of Superman, you're saying Thor is more recognizable than Superman?
Contemporarily, yeah, thanks to the two Thor centric movies and the two other wildly popular films in which he appears.
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I can't wrap my head around this. Superman is an icon permanently seared into public consciousness.
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If it's not in the public eye, people tend to forget about it. You and I know him as the Superhero. My nieces and nephews only know him as the guy Batman fights with.
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Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
The thing about Thor2 being on par with MoS feeling weird to me is that Thor 1 felt like the writers had two different idea's for what they wanted to do with their movie but couldn't flesh out either one enough for a feature length film so they did there best to mash them together and then wish the directors and actor's good luck.
And it was a good movie that I quite enjoyed, but a lot of that has to do with how well the actor's were at selling me on the idea of them being gods and how they examined the idea of responsibility for the heir to the throne of Asgard.
After that came Avengers which while certainly making fat stacks of cash and letting him do interesting things wasn't exactly TDK.
By contrast, DC had Just finished up Nolan's trilogy which did insanely well and were marketing the hell out of it.
A rough tie should not have been the result of this comparison.
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Mm, saying it should do better is kind of odd. Superman hasn't really been in the public light for nearly a decade. Thor has. People know Thor. Most people know of Superman, but, not a lot has built up around him lately.
People don't know Marvel's Thor - which is quite different than Norse Thor and people only know that because of his movies and recent cartoons. And that doesn't discount how WB has had Superman penetrate American and the worldwide culture for decades before that in multiple media. Plus he's been in animated movies lately too, alone and in Justice League.
you bring up the lego movie and that's actually a perfect example. He was barely part of the supporting cast. Batman was all over that movie.
Popular culture recognition is all about what have you done for me lately. Before MoS, you had Superman Returns, and that wasn't incredibly well received. Compare that to the last batman movies.
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Nah, she should be, but I'd wager more folks know Green Lantern and Flash than Wonder Woman.
you bring up the lego movie and that's actually a perfect example. He was barely part of the supporting cast. Batman was all over that movie.
He was in it, though. They didn't ignore him.
Popular culture recognition is all about what have you done for me lately. Before MoS, you had Superman Returns, and that wasn't incredibly well received. Compare that to the last batman movies.
He's been in a lot of productions on the video game and animated side when he isn't in movies or have his show at the moment. He has a strong presence despite that, and it's not like he needs it so people know who he is. Super girl itself is an indirect promotion for him and that's on tv every week. And once again this ignores how he has merchandise everywhere.
edit: Batman's in another league now, has been for a while. That isn't proof DC isn't investing in Superman - he's the only one in their IP's who comes close to getting that backing.
None of those superman roles are critical, important, or relevant to the average consumer.
They're just one offs here and there.
Smallville was kinda-sorta relevant, but became less relevant as the show fatigued in the later seasons (seasons 6+). I'm not saying he's dissappearing, or that he's not important. Direct release movies don't really.. count. I can't just turn on my TV or load up netflix and see Superman.
I'm just saying Thor became just as "in the now" as Big Blue. My nieces and nephews know who thor is. And can rattle off a lot of relevant data points about him and his universe.
The only thing they can tell me about Superman is Krypton(-ite) and Luthor.
So yeah, that's why Man of Steel didn't resonate, he's just kinda... meh, sure, cool, hey look a superman movie... and that was about the end of it as far as anyone was concerned.
I still loved Man of Steel, don't get me wrong.
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None of those superman roles are critical, important, or relevant to the average consumer.
They're just one offs here and there.
Define critical. Those projects keep him in the spotlight continuously, sure it may not be the movies - but he doesn't really need it since he's not obscure and he could not have a movie for 20 years and people would still know the basis about who he is.
edit: Batman gets the same things when he's not in movies.
Smallville was kinda-sorta relevant, but became less relevant as the show fatigued in the later seasons (seasons 6+). I'm not saying he's dissappearing, or that he's not important. Direct release movies don't really.. count. I can't just turn on my TV or load up netflix and see Superman.
Smallville kept his brand up for another generation. Why don't they count? People watch them. You may not do that but others do, or WB wouldn't keep making them. Clearly they have an audience and they're not stopping. Not everything has to be a big budget movie to get attention, most of Batman's media don't do that either. They're important in that they give the public another thing to watch him on, to remind them about him - which DC has never stopped doing. You can't turn on your tv and load up Netflix and see Batman either.
edit: What about his presence on Young Justice and Supergirl?
I'm just saying Thor became just as "in the now" as Big Blue. My nieces and nephews know who thor is. And can rattle off a lot of relevant data points about him and his universe.
The only thing they can tell me about Superman is Krypton(-ite) and Luthor.
So yeah, that's why Man of Steel didn't resonate, he's just kinda... meh, sure, cool, hey look a superman movie... and that was about the end of it as far as anyone was concerned.
I still loved Man of Steel, don't get me wrong.
Not anyone, you. Superman didn't lose his fan base, which is far bigger than his comic fanbase, and love from the public when the Reeves movies ended.
edit: How an IP becomes iconic like Batman and Superman isn't simply from the movies in theaters, though it helps. How they do that is by continuously appearing in media in multiple forms again and again - which DC does to both of them. If Superman isn't iconic, neither is Batman and that's false.
edit: For contrast, Mickey Mouse is in less things than either Batman and Superman and he remains iconic.
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I'm not really going to get in another pissing contest over definitions of words and hyper critical nit picking about what is and is not the minutia to determine "consensus on the public's awareness of superman's mythos".
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It made way less than Iron Man 3, and it made about 30 mill more than Thor 2, but Thor 2 cost 50 mill less to make.
It definitely did better than the pre-Avengers films and Ant-Man.
And it sold OK on DVD/Blu-Ray. Better than both Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 but a lot less than Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, and even the first Iron Man.
Money wasn't exactly the only problem execs had with it, Marvel films usually aren't that polarizing. IM 3 was, but it broke the billion dollar barrier so that made it less of a big deal than it otherwise would have been - and it was the third movie in a successful franchise not the first.
That movie was excellent it did something different I will fight you.
I really liked the message at the end.
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I imagine BvS will quite easily clear a Billy. The DCCU is going to be in very good shape as long as Suicide Squad doesn't suck a big one.
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It did about equal with thor 2 actually, once you factor in production fee's.
More to the point though it should do better on name recognition alone.
Further, your analogy ignores that aside from Ant-Man (a movie whose production was plagued with problems and a bunch of dirty laundry being aired) every marvel movie released since then has done as well if not better then MoS, and I don't see Civil war or Doc Strange being duds.
That can't be right. If you went to any middle school in America and showed students pictures of Thor and pictures of Superman, you're saying Thor is more recognizable than Superman?
Right now?
Yeah I actually have no idea. Quite possibly Thor would win there.
I'm saying they're equally recognizable now.
Hence why Superman wouldn't necessarily beat him.
Superman was popular in the 80s and 90s because he was in a TON of media. Movies, tv shows, cartoons, comics. What's he in now? A single movie. Occasionally stopping by in some Batman cartoons. A few cartoon direct release movies.
Contemporarily, yeah, thanks to the two Thor centric movies and the two other wildly popular films in which he appears.
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What about:
Scruff, McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652
Or
Only you can prevent forest fires!
If it's not in the public eye, people tend to forget about it. You and I know him as the Superhero. My nieces and nephews only know him as the guy Batman fights with.
It's true.
I refuse to believe!
*sobs*
The thing about Thor2 being on par with MoS feeling weird to me is that Thor 1 felt like the writers had two different idea's for what they wanted to do with their movie but couldn't flesh out either one enough for a feature length film so they did there best to mash them together and then wish the directors and actor's good luck.
And it was a good movie that I quite enjoyed, but a lot of that has to do with how well the actor's were at selling me on the idea of them being gods and how they examined the idea of responsibility for the heir to the throne of Asgard.
After that came Avengers which while certainly making fat stacks of cash and letting him do interesting things wasn't exactly TDK.
By contrast, DC had Just finished up Nolan's trilogy which did insanely well and were marketing the hell out of it.
A rough tie should not have been the result of this comparison.
I never noticed it before, but young Martha Kent looks just like Lois Lane.
Smallville started in 2001, it ended in 2011.
Has a re-ocurring role and large presence on Supergirl.
People don't know Marvel's Thor - which is quite different than Norse Thor and people only know that because of his movies and recent cartoons. And that doesn't discount how WB has had Superman penetrate American and the worldwide culture for decades before that in multiple media. Plus he's been in animated movies lately too, alone and in Justice League.
And video games.
And he was in Lego Movie.
And he had a re-occuring role in Young Justice.
Superman Returns was in 2006. He didn't disappear off the map when the Timm-verse ended.
edit: This is ignoring Superman's merchandise being made and sold around the world.
I agree, and Superman's the second most iconic super-hero at DC. Wonder Woman's a distance third.
Popular culture recognition is all about what have you done for me lately. Before MoS, you had Superman Returns, and that wasn't incredibly well received. Compare that to the last batman movies.
He was in it, though. They didn't ignore him.
He's been in a lot of productions on the video game and animated side when he isn't in movies or have his show at the moment. He has a strong presence despite that, and it's not like he needs it so people know who he is. Super girl itself is an indirect promotion for him and that's on tv every week. And once again this ignores how he has merchandise everywhere.
edit: Batman's in another league now, has been for a while. That isn't proof DC isn't investing in Superman - he's the only one in their IP's who comes close to getting that backing.
They're just one offs here and there.
Smallville was kinda-sorta relevant, but became less relevant as the show fatigued in the later seasons (seasons 6+). I'm not saying he's dissappearing, or that he's not important. Direct release movies don't really.. count. I can't just turn on my TV or load up netflix and see Superman.
I'm just saying Thor became just as "in the now" as Big Blue. My nieces and nephews know who thor is. And can rattle off a lot of relevant data points about him and his universe.
The only thing they can tell me about Superman is Krypton(-ite) and Luthor.
So yeah, that's why Man of Steel didn't resonate, he's just kinda... meh, sure, cool, hey look a superman movie... and that was about the end of it as far as anyone was concerned.
I still loved Man of Steel, don't get me wrong.
Define critical. Those projects keep him in the spotlight continuously, sure it may not be the movies - but he doesn't really need it since he's not obscure and he could not have a movie for 20 years and people would still know the basis about who he is.
edit: Batman gets the same things when he's not in movies.
Smallville kept his brand up for another generation. Why don't they count? People watch them. You may not do that but others do, or WB wouldn't keep making them. Clearly they have an audience and they're not stopping. Not everything has to be a big budget movie to get attention, most of Batman's media don't do that either. They're important in that they give the public another thing to watch him on, to remind them about him - which DC has never stopped doing. You can't turn on your tv and load up Netflix and see Batman either.
edit: What about his presence on Young Justice and Supergirl?
Not anyone, you. Superman didn't lose his fan base, which is far bigger than his comic fanbase, and love from the public when the Reeves movies ended.
edit: How an IP becomes iconic like Batman and Superman isn't simply from the movies in theaters, though it helps. How they do that is by continuously appearing in media in multiple forms again and again - which DC does to both of them. If Superman isn't iconic, neither is Batman and that's false.
edit: For contrast, Mickey Mouse is in less things than either Batman and Superman and he remains iconic.
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