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[DC Movies] Batsgofuckyerself -- we're getting an Affleck-directed Batman flick

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Mego Thor wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    JK Simmons has been cast as Commissioner Gordon in Justice League.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-adds-jk-simmons-873227

    I hope he tries to sell them insurance.

    I hope he demands the whole Gotham City PD get him pictures of Spider-Man.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Nah, she should be, but I'd wager more folks know Green Lantern and Flash than Wonder Woman.

    They certainly do now.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    bowen wrote: »
    I'm not really going to get in another pissing contest over definitions of words and hyper critical nit picking about what is and is not the minutia to determine "consensus on the public's awareness of superman's mythos".

    That's what we were doing moments ago and I was asking because I didn't know what you meant by that phrasing. I'm not nitpicking either, every thing I bought up was true. Your argument was that Superman isn't iconic, I showed evidence which disproved that theory.

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    Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Mego Thor wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    JK Simmons has been cast as Commissioner Gordon in Justice League.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-adds-jk-simmons-873227

    I hope he tries to sell them insurance.

    I hope he demands the whole Gotham City PD get him pictures of Spider-Man.

    But is he a hero or a menace?

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Really though, Clark Kent would have Farmers insurance, this is super synergy here.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I'm not really going to get in another pissing contest over definitions of words and hyper critical nit picking about what is and is not the minutia to determine "consensus on the public's awareness of superman's mythos".

    That's what we were doing moments ago and I was asking because I didn't know what you meant by that phrasing. I'm not nitpicking either, every thing I bought up was true.

    I never contested anything you were saying, just that he isn't as popular and isn't going to draw an orgasmic crowd to a movie like Chris Hemsworth who's already been in 3 movies can.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    Farmer's agents all over Metropolis filling out claims.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I never contested anything you were saying, just that he isn't as popular and isn't going to draw an orgasmic crowd to a movie like Chris Hemsworth who's already been in 3 movies can.

    I dunno, Cavill has quite a large crowd of fan girls himself.

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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    "Now go out there and get me pictures, PICTURES OF BATMAN!"

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I never contested anything you were saying, just that he isn't as popular and isn't going to draw an orgasmic crowd to a movie like Chris Hemsworth who's already been in 3 movies can.

    I dunno, Cavill has quite a large crowd of fan girls himself.

    He's my man crush.

    But the established universe means something. Another origin story is kind of bland. But we needed it for BvS. I want to see if BvS can do Avenger's numbers. I think Batman has more pull, but the first time on the big screen for both of these guys? Oh man. This might be the thing that does it.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I can't wrap my head around this. Superman is an icon permanently seared into public consciousness.

    So is Micky Mouse. Doesn't necassrily translate to instant success. Is there even a Micky cartoon being made right now?

    Like, Superman is absolutely more well known than Thor, but paradoxically that doesn't mean he's going to be more popular. Like, if you asked random people on the street, you would totally get more people recognizing Superman than Thor; but that doesn't mean those people who recognize him are going to go out and see a movie with him in it. Brand recognition is important, but it isn't the end-all, be-all of success.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I never contested anything you were saying, just that he isn't as popular and isn't going to draw an orgasmic crowd to a movie like Chris Hemsworth who's already been in 3 movies can.

    I dunno, Cavill has quite a large crowd of fan girls himself.

    He's my man crush.

    But the established universe means something. Another origin story is kind of bland. But we needed it for BvS. I want to see if BvS can do Avenger's numbers. I think Batman has more pull, but the first time on the big screen for both of these guys? Oh man. This might be the thing that does it.

    Oh yeah, it'll be huge. No argument there, whether it'll reach Avengers numbers...

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    TexiKen wrote: »
    It is sad that I will have lived in a time where Superman went from tie for #1 most recognizable hero to clear #2.

    ...gotta go read Action Comics #768 again...
    Not to get all 'Morrisony' but I think it was the Death of Superman storyline that did it. People actually thought that Superman was dead and I think it was that which hurt Superman where it hurt the most. The public perception of him. To most people (ie, people who don't read comics), Superman died. And bringing him back (although he never left) just isn't the same, even if most people wouldn't put it that way. It was more like a sea change, not the death itself, but the effect it has on the public conciousness.

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    CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    I think the average person has no idea Superman died in a comic book. Comic books and cartoons do not enter the average moviegoers knowledge. The only reason I knew he died was at some point I saw that Max Landis video about him complaining about it and I sure as hell didn't even watch that entire thing.

    Most of the larger audience is going to have even less comic book knowledge than I have and I only have surface knowledge. I enjoy comic book movies because I like fantasy and scifi shows and novels.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Cabezone wrote: »
    I think the average person has no idea Superman died in a comic book. Comic books and cartoons do not enter the average moviegoers knowledge. The only reason I knew he died was at some point I saw that Max Landis video about him complaining about it and I sure as hell didn't even watch that entire thing.

    Most of the larger audience is going to have even less comic book knowledge than I have and I only have surface knowledge. I enjoy comic book movies because I like fantasy and scifi shows and novels.

    I like them because they're fun.

    It's fun seeing superman zip around and flying and punching shit.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I can't wrap my head around this. Superman is an icon permanently seared into public consciousness.

    So is Micky Mouse. Doesn't necassrily translate to instant success. Is there even a Micky cartoon being made right now?

    There are, and they're freaking awesome. Very well-watched on YouTube, to boot.





    But yes, Mickey's remained an icon, even though he was in very, very little of consequence after the theatrical shorts dried up in the early 60s. Superman's the same way. (Remained an icon, that is, and he's been in much more stuff than Mickey.)

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I can't wrap my head around this. Superman is an icon permanently seared into public consciousness.

    So is Micky Mouse. Doesn't necassrily translate to instant success. Is there even a Micky cartoon being made right now?

    There are, and they're freaking awesome. Very well-watched on YouTube, to boot.





    But yes, Mickey's remained an icon, even though he was in very, very little of consequence after the theatrical shorts dried up in the early 60s. Superman's the same way.

    Superman's dipped a bit, but he's hardly disappeared like Mickey has - even outside his films.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Oops. I meant that Superman's remained an icon. Sorry, badly written there.

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    DurkhanusDurkhanus Commander Registered User regular
    Cabezone wrote: »
    I think the average person has no idea Superman died in a comic book. Comic books and cartoons do not enter the average moviegoers knowledge. The only reason I knew he died was at some point I saw that Max Landis video about him complaining about it and I sure as hell didn't even watch that entire thing.

    Most of the larger audience is going to have even less comic book knowledge than I have and I only have surface knowledge. I enjoy comic book movies because I like fantasy and scifi shows and novels.

    Depends on who you think of as the average person. I recall the promotional campaign for The Death of Superman, since I was a teenager at the time. It was turned into a Big Deal, being covered by the major news outlets of the day. Pretty sure they went on about it for weeks. I've never bothered to read any Marvel/DC/anything else comics, I could still recognize comic book characters that didn't have their own movies/tv shows, and know the bigger highlights about them, just due to their presence in pop culture.

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    I thought there was intel floating around that Gordon was dead by the time of BvS?

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    ryvenryven Registered User regular
    think the rumor was changed to 'retired'

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    CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    Well he's seen on the news Batman branding the shit outta people so he gets all pissed off and has to come out to talk some sense into Batman.

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    mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    Death of superman was the first DC comics I ever bought because it was presented like one of these 4 dudes is going to end up with the REAL title of Superman.

    I picked Eradicator.

    I was the wrongest.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    I thought there was intel floating around that Gordon was dead by the time of BvS?

    it got better!

    edit; also Gordon died twice in the Nolan movies. He has a knack for coming back.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Death of superman was the first DC comics I ever bought because it was presented like one of these 4 dudes is going to end up with the REAL title of Superman.

    I picked Eradicator.

    I was the wrongest.

    Could be worse, you could have chosen Cyborg Superman. :)

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    jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Wha? How could anyone go against Superboy? Leather jacket aside that costume was totally bitchin

    Plus Tom Grummett had the best pencils of everyone from that era of Superbooks

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    The Death of Superman story was a big deal, way way beyond the comic book world when it happened. It was an international news story.

    I think people here who are underselling it are simply too young to recall it accurately.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    The Death of Superman story was a big deal, way way beyond the comic book world when it happened. It was an international news story.

    I think people here who are underselling it are simply too young to recall it accurately.

    I only bought Marvel comics at the time but the Death of Superman? I still have my copy in a mylar bag somewhere.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    (That was me. I thought Cyborg Superman was fuckin' rad.)

    I liked the Man of Steel guy. He was the only one who seemed like he could measure up to Superman morally.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    (That was me. I thought Cyborg Superman was fuckin' rad.)

    I liked the Man of Steel guy. He was the only one who seemed like he could measure up to Superman morally.

    I collected those for a bit during my comic book phase.

    I read about the resolution later. That shit went wacky places.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    (That was me. I thought Cyborg Superman was fuckin' rad.)

    I liked the Man of Steel guy. He was the only one who seemed like he could measure up to Superman morally.

    I collected those for a bit during my comic book phase.

    I read about the resolution later. That shit went wacky places.

    Man superman is a Saiyan isn't even on the list of whacky shit comics have got up to. None of it makes any sense; they're like soap operas on American SuperDrugs.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    mxmarks wrote: »
    I picked Eradicator.
    https://youtu.be/JpWa2uJZb1g

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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Rise of the Supermen gave me Conner Kent and John Henry Irons, two of my favorite characters in DC.

    Two amazing characters that no longer exist in the form I know in the DC Universe because of the New 52. :evil:

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Rise of the Supermen gave me Conner Kent and John Henry Irons, two of my favorite characters in DC.

    Two amazing characters that no longer exist in the form I know in the DC Universe because of the New 52. :evil:

    You'll always have Young Justice and the Timm-verse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phnXMWvHtzQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyKhJ2KfnCI

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    The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    If you want a rough litmus test on what is in the public consciousness... ask an elderly person.

    If you show the pictures, they'll probably instantly get Superman, and not know who the hell Thor is.

    If you just verbally ask them, they'll still probably get Superman. If you're lucky they'll probably get Thor, but only via the actual norse mythology. Which while technically correct, I think everyone would agree doesn't really count.

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Mego Thor wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    JK Simmons has been cast as Commissioner Gordon in Justice League.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-adds-jk-simmons-873227

    I hope he tries to sell them insurance.

    I hope he demands the whole Gotham City PD get him pictures of Spider-Man.

    I found a leak of the last scene of Dawn of Justice. Gotta say, it's pretty interesting.

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    Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Rise of the Supermen gave me Conner Kent and John Henry Irons, two of my favorite characters in DC.

    Two amazing characters that no longer exist in the form I know in the DC Universe because of the New 52. :evil:

    You'll always have Young Justice and the Timm-verse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phnXMWvHtzQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyKhJ2KfnCI

    Don't forget this cinematic masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAWWmLfkWo

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    That movie had Oracle though, so it's not all bad.

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