I think they could have set a few things up for sequels pretty easily without being super obvious. Like having
Gordon Godfrey be the leader of the Superman worshipers or as a television personality stirring up people one way or the other. Or having Luthor working with a weapons dealer named Kanto.
The shield thing was goofy as hell but ultimately was just a gag
And I would definitely agree about the Mjolnir thing if it wasn't an after credits stinger
A lot of the glaring problem with the dream sequence is that it is right in the middle of the flick
More along the weird stuff in regards to SHIELD and Tony which never felt much more than half baked to me.
How so?
Admittedly I am probably looking back more fondly since Howard and SHIELD's relationship has been more well defined in the years since then, but outside of the really dumb plot of finding a new element it seemed to just be "hey Tony your dad helped found SHIELD, surprise, and we're keeping an eye on you you dumbass"
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
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I actually found BvS strangely enjoyable. Not good or recommendable. But it's the kind of ineptitude that I find oddly enthralling.
Is having Flash show up, no weird Future Batman, and give a more clear warning that ultimately leads to Bruce calling a truce with Clark
And ideally this would also have Lex's contact with aliens be more overt than just HEY THE BELL HAS BEEN RUNG
Flash is recognizable enough at this point that having him show up from a dystopic future to warn Batman before being yanked back into the future wouldn't be too jarring as long as it directly contributed to the resolution of the film, instead of vaguely hinting at and setting up a movie that comes out years from now wrapped in an extra confusing double dream sequence
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
The shield thing was goofy as hell but ultimately was just a gag
And I would definitely agree about the Mjolnir thing if it wasn't an after credits stinger
A lot of the glaring problem with the dream sequence is that it is right in the middle of the flick
More along the weird stuff in regards to SHIELD and Tony which never felt much more than half baked to me.
How so?
Admittedly I am probably looking back more fondly since Howard and SHIELD's relationship has been more well defined in the years since then, but outside of the really dumb plot of finding a new element it seemed to just be "hey Tony your dad helped found SHIELD, surprise, and we're keeping an eye on you you dumbass"
It felt like it was only there to remind me of the after credit stinger of Iron Man. But yeah. The new element stuff was absurdly dumb for me. Especially since it was trying to be a surrogate of Tony's alcoholism arc/
I also don't watch ABC Marvel, and kind of only give a flip about half of First Avenger, so I have zero ties to Howard Stark.
The shield thing was goofy as hell but ultimately was just a gag
And I would definitely agree about the Mjolnir thing if it wasn't an after credits stinger
A lot of the glaring problem with the dream sequence is that it is right in the middle of the flick
More along the weird stuff in regards to SHIELD and Tony which never felt much more than half baked to me.
How so?
Admittedly I am probably looking back more fondly since Howard and SHIELD's relationship has been more well defined in the years since then, but outside of the really dumb plot of finding a new element it seemed to just be "hey Tony your dad helped found SHIELD, surprise, and we're keeping an eye on you you dumbass"
It felt like it was only there to remind me of the after credit stinger of Iron Man. But yeah. The new element stuff was absurdly dumb for me. Especially since it was trying to be a surrogate of Tony's alcoholism arc/
I also don't watch ABC Marvel, and kind of only give a flip about half of First Avenger, so I have zero ties to Howard Stark.
Iron Man 2 was a real mess of a movie all around. There were the threads of two or three good movies in there but they were all different materials and didn't really fit when spun together.
Batman has the bad dream, wakes up, Flash comes in and screams a bunch of incoherent nonsense, and then Batman wakes up from that dream
Etchwarts on
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I saw BvS earlier today.
My mind couldn't help but continually note what and how scenes could be re-edited to improve the movie. I can't remember them all, but off the top of my head:
Shorten/remove the "parents are dead" flashbacks.
Remove Parademon nightmare.
Cut down some of the goofier Luthor ravings.
"Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator?" happens twice. Remove one.
How many Superman glory shots do you need, really?
Also:
"The work day is over, so there's almost no one in that district." and "Striker Island is uninhabited." seems really overt. I mean, it's good, but really overt.
If I had to choose between Batman's no-guns and no-killing rule, I'd keep the no-killing rule. Unfortunately, he violates both. But I can deal with a different version of Batman, I guess.
This Lex would be fine if he took some of the mannerisms down a notch.
All in all, this is one of those movies I'm unlikely to watch all the way through again. Instead, I'm just going to watch the highlight reel.
My mind couldn't help but continually note what and how scenes could be re-edited to improve the movie. I can't remember them all, but off the top of my head:
Shorten/remove the "parents are dead" flashbacks.
Remove Parademon nightmare.
Cut down some of the goofier Luthor ravings.
"Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator?" happens twice. Remove one.
How many Superman glory shots do you need, really?
Also:
"The work day is over, so there's almost no one in that district." and "Striker Island is uninhabited." seems really overt. I mean, it's good, but really overt.
If I had to choose between Batman's no-guns and no-killing rule, I'd keep the no-killing rule. Unfortunately, he violates both. But I can deal with a different version of Batman, I guess.
This Lex would be fine if he took some of the mannerisms down a notch.
All in all, this is one of those movies I'm unlikely to watch all the way through again, instead just watching a highlight reel.
My mind couldn't help but continually note what and how scenes could be re-edited to improve the movie. I can't remember them all, but off the top of my head:
Shorten/remove the "parents are dead" flashbacks.
Remove Parademon nightmare.
Cut down some of the goofier Luthor ravings.
"Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator?" happens twice. Remove one.
How many Superman glory shots do you need, really?
Also:
"The work day is over, so there's almost no one in that district." and "Striker Island is uninhabited." seems really overt. I mean, it's good, but really overt.
If I had to choose between Batman's no-guns and no-killing rule, I'd keep the no-killing rule. Unfortunately, he violates both. But I can deal with a different version of Batman, I guess.
This Lex would be fine if he took some of the mannerisms down a notch.
All in all, this is one of those movies I'm unlikely to watch all the way through again, instead just watching a highlight reel.
Yeah I'm only going to watch the fight scenes.
With a couple of exceptions, the fight scenes are actually super bland! The Superman vs Batman stuff had me practically checking the time to see if the movie was almost over
My mind couldn't help but continually note what and how scenes could be re-edited to improve the movie. I can't remember them all, but off the top of my head:
Shorten/remove the "parents are dead" flashbacks.
Remove Parademon nightmare.
Cut down some of the goofier Luthor ravings.
"Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator?" happens twice. Remove one.
How many Superman glory shots do you need, really?
Also:
"The work day is over, so there's almost no one in that district." and "Striker Island is uninhabited." seems really overt. I mean, it's good, but really overt.
If I had to choose between Batman's no-guns and no-killing rule, I'd keep the no-killing rule. Unfortunately, he violates both. But I can deal with a different version of Batman, I guess.
This Lex would be fine if he took some of the mannerisms down a notch.
All in all, this is one of those movies I'm unlikely to watch all the way through again, instead just watching a highlight reel.
Yeah I'm only going to watch the fight scenes.
With a couple of exceptions, the fight scenes are actually super bland! The Superman vs Batman stuff had me practically checking the time to see if the movie was almost over
yeah other than Batman taking out the goons in the warehouse, which is very clearly inspired by the Arkham games but even more brutal because Snyder, the action in the movie is either boring (title fight) or mostly an incoherent cg mess (doomsday fight)
Honestly that nightmare isn't the worst tie in sequence BY FAR.
Bruce Wayne using messenger to show Wonder Woman the Justice League is right there as far as badly done set ups go.
Honestly, I would have probably given all of the teases a pass if at the very end of the movie, we get a glimpse of what Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash are up to while Bruce and Diana are at Clark's funeral.
It would've been way better than "I found a bunch of surveillance footage that Lex was somehow competent enough to assemble despite being batshit crazy, let me attach this to an e-mail that could easily be traced by an untrustworthy third party."
EDIT: Wait, hold on... how did he get Diana's e-mail in the first place???
So I finished all of Peter David's X-Factor (except for All-New) and I have to say I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be an article or an interview with him that mentions how deeply rooted the story is in suicide. Practically every character in that book either kills themselves or wants to kill themselves at some point. I'd go so far as to say it's even the main theme of the run.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Honestly that nightmare isn't the worst tie in sequence BY FAR.
Bruce Wayne using messenger to show Wonder Woman the Justice League is right there as far as badly done set ups go.
Honestly, I would have probably given all of the teases a pass if at the very end of the movie, we get a glimpse of what Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash are up to while Bruce and Diana are at Clark's funeral.
It would've been way better than "I found a bunch of surveillance footage that Lex was somehow competent enough to assemble despite being batshit crazy, let me attach this to an e-mail that could easily be traced by an untrustworthy third party."
EDIT: Wait, hold on... how did he get Diana's e-mail in the first place???
He's Batman.
But yeah, no, there were two or three scenes that felt like after credits teases just dropped randomly into the movie.
The shield thing was goofy as hell but ultimately was just a gag
And I would definitely agree about the Mjolnir thing if it wasn't an after credits stinger
A lot of the glaring problem with the dream sequence is that it is right in the middle of the flick
More along the weird stuff in regards to SHIELD and Tony which never felt much more than half baked to me.
How so?
Admittedly I am probably looking back more fondly since Howard and SHIELD's relationship has been more well defined in the years since then, but outside of the really dumb plot of finding a new element it seemed to just be "hey Tony your dad helped found SHIELD, surprise, and we're keeping an eye on you you dumbass"
It felt like it was only there to remind me of the after credit stinger of Iron Man. But yeah. The new element stuff was absurdly dumb for me. Especially since it was trying to be a surrogate of Tony's alcoholism arc/
I also don't watch ABC Marvel, and kind of only give a flip about half of First Avenger, so I have zero ties to Howard Stark.
Man there is so much weird stuff in phase one in retrospect
Like how the details of the super soldier program are classified in incredible hulk and blonsky doesn't recognize it but there's a public museum exhibit about it in Cap 2
I mean maybe that only got declassified after avengers
But I do like to my being irreverent with the cap shield replica because he doesn't like cap
Man there is so much weird stuff in phase one in retrospect
Like how the details of the super soldier program are classified in incredible hulk and blonsky doesn't recognize it but there's a public museum exhibit about it in Cap 2
I mean maybe that only got declassified after avengers
But I do like to my being irreverent with the cap shield replica because he doesn't like cap
People knew about Captain America. They may not have known he was juiced up on an experimental formula.
Also the exhibit might have only been made after Steve came back.
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Also I don't know if the Hulk is the best title to use for continuity hiccups
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Admittedly I am probably looking back more fondly since Howard and SHIELD's relationship has been more well defined in the years since then, but outside of the really dumb plot of finding a new element it seemed to just be "hey Tony your dad helped found SHIELD, surprise, and we're keeping an eye on you you dumbass"
And ideally this would also have Lex's contact with aliens be more overt than just HEY THE BELL HAS BEEN RUNG
Flash is recognizable enough at this point that having him show up from a dystopic future to warn Batman before being yanked back into the future wouldn't be too jarring as long as it directly contributed to the resolution of the film, instead of vaguely hinting at and setting up a movie that comes out years from now wrapped in an extra confusing double dream sequence
It felt like it was only there to remind me of the after credit stinger of Iron Man. But yeah. The new element stuff was absurdly dumb for me. Especially since it was trying to be a surrogate of Tony's alcoholism arc/
I also don't watch ABC Marvel, and kind of only give a flip about half of First Avenger, so I have zero ties to Howard Stark.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Iron Man 2 was a real mess of a movie all around. There were the threads of two or three good movies in there but they were all different materials and didn't really fit when spun together.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Nooooot good
My mind couldn't help but continually note what and how scenes could be re-edited to improve the movie. I can't remember them all, but off the top of my head:
Remove Parademon nightmare.
Cut down some of the goofier Luthor ravings.
"Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator?" happens twice. Remove one.
How many Superman glory shots do you need, really?
Also:
If I had to choose between Batman's no-guns and no-killing rule, I'd keep the no-killing rule. Unfortunately, he violates both. But I can deal with a different version of Batman, I guess.
This Lex would be fine if he took some of the mannerisms down a notch.
All in all, this is one of those movies I'm unlikely to watch all the way through again. Instead, I'm just going to watch the highlight reel.
Yeah I'm only going to watch the fight scenes.
With a couple of exceptions, the fight scenes are actually super bland! The Superman vs Batman stuff had me practically checking the time to see if the movie was almost over
yeah other than Batman taking out the goons in the warehouse, which is very clearly inspired by the Arkham games but even more brutal because Snyder, the action in the movie is either boring (title fight) or mostly an incoherent cg mess (doomsday fight)
It would've been way better than "I found a bunch of surveillance footage that Lex was somehow competent enough to assemble despite being batshit crazy, let me attach this to an e-mail that could easily be traced by an untrustworthy third party."
EDIT: Wait, hold on... how did he get Diana's e-mail in the first place???
He's Batman.
But yeah, no, there were two or three scenes that felt like after credits teases just dropped randomly into the movie.
God damn that's a good book, I love her so much it's so good
You should check out Agent Carter.
yet to be cast are Cannonball, Sunspot, and Mirage
no but we have a ton of Fox dates with no movies attached
Nicolas Cage
Eddie Izzard
The Pain
Stan Beeman
Jerry Seinfeld
Buzz the Honey Nut Cheerios Mascot
Like how the details of the super soldier program are classified in incredible hulk and blonsky doesn't recognize it but there's a public museum exhibit about it in Cap 2
I mean maybe that only got declassified after avengers
But I do like to my being irreverent with the cap shield replica because he doesn't like cap
Could buy the trades! volume 2 just hit! Or be even cooler and grab the singles! Comixology is waiting for yooou!
Don't tempt me, I can't justify paying for Unlimited and trades.
People knew about Captain America. They may not have known he was juiced up on an experimental formula.
Also the exhibit might have only been made after Steve came back.
Ahh yes, Trump's less known second book.
You're fired.