I'd love to hear them. I don't know much about the character or the actress.
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Sebastian Stan still has my favorite trash-talk towards DC.
"Yeah, I’m sitting here and I’m listening to you and I’m thinking, “Do I want to fire some shots at DC right now, at Zack Snyder?” I read some of those comments where he said something about Batman and Superman, I can’t remember where I read that, somewhere… Something about, “It’s not going to be your flavor-of-the-week Ant-Man.” And I was like, “Oh thanks, Zack. That’s great. Way to do something original.”"
"But I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that."
I'd love to hear them. I don't know much about the character or the actress.
On the one hand, cool. I like Henwick and it's nice to see another East Asian actress land a major role. However I'm personally still not over their casting decision for Iron Fist himself. That, plus the fact that while Colleen has a Chinese name her entire character's backstory revolves her Japanese ancestry (samurai and daimyo and ninjas, etc.). Now normally I'd think that they could do something interesting with a mixed background, that struggle of cultural identity especially between two of Asia's major powers, but I frankly just don't trust them to.
It doesn't help as well that Henwick's casting is another case of them probably not really caring all that much about actual differences in race and heritage, considering the fact that she's Singaporean Chinese. It doesn't seem like a lot to others, some consider it similar to casting a Brit to play an American, but this matters a fair amount as so many East Asian races are treated as interchangeable as is.
I want to be happily surprised, but while it's not the same people behind Daredevil, my faith just isn't all that high with regards to how they'll treat Asian characters in Iron Fist. The surface level vague Asian mysticism and stereotypical aura surrounding Kung-fu and martial arts and that whole region's combined history and folklore may have worked decades ago, but at this point I expect more especially if that's still going to be the core of this series.
Again, I want them to prove me wrong, but I doubt they will.
Sebastian Stan still has my favorite trash-talk towards DC.
"Yeah, I’m sitting here and I’m listening to you and I’m thinking, “Do I want to fire some shots at DC right now, at Zack Snyder?” I read some of those comments where he said something about Batman and Superman, I can’t remember where I read that, somewhere… Something about, “It’s not going to be your flavor-of-the-week Ant-Man.” And I was like, “Oh thanks, Zack. That’s great. Way to do something original.”"
"But I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that."
the most fun thing to me about this quote is that stan isn't even in ant-man
I like to imagine that the actors are steadily identifying with particular brands in the same way fans would, although that probably isn't the case for most of them
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I think if you have a problem with magic kung-fu on a base level then you're going to have a problem with Iron Fist no matter what they do
I don't have a problem with magic Kung-fu at all. I have a problem with it being essentially a vehicle for stereotyping and whatnot when it's produced in the West.
I'd love to hear them. I don't know much about the character or the actress.
On the one hand, cool. I like Henwick and it's nice to see another East Asian actress land a major role. However I'm personally still not over their casting decision for Iron Fist himself. That, plus the fact that while Colleen has a Chinese name her entire character's backstory revolves her Japanese ancestry (samurai and daimyo and ninjas, etc.). Now normally I'd think that they could do something interesting with a mixed background, that struggle of cultural identity especially between two of Asia's major powers, but I frankly just don't trust them to.
It doesn't help as well that Henwick's casting is another case of them probably not really caring all that much about actual differences in race and heritage, considering the fact that she's Singaporean Chinese. It doesn't seem like a lot to others, some consider it similar to casting a Brit to play an American, but this matters a fair amount as so many East Asian races are treated as interchangeable as is.
I want to be happily surprised, but while it's not the same people behind Daredevil, my faith just isn't all that high with regards to how they'll treat Asian characters in Iron Fist. The surface level vague Asian mysticism and stereotypical aura surrounding Kung-fu and martial arts and that whole region's combined history and folklore may have worked decades ago, but at this point I expect more especially if that's still going to be the core of this series.
Again, I want them to prove me wrong, but I doubt they will.
Thanks. I definitely see where you're coming from and would share your apprehension about them pulling it off well, given, well, basically everything that's been made by western media up to this point.
Sebastian Stan still has my favorite trash-talk towards DC.
"Yeah, I’m sitting here and I’m listening to you and I’m thinking, “Do I want to fire some shots at DC right now, at Zack Snyder?” I read some of those comments where he said something about Batman and Superman, I can’t remember where I read that, somewhere… Something about, “It’s not going to be your flavor-of-the-week Ant-Man.” And I was like, “Oh thanks, Zack. That’s great. Way to do something original.”"
"But I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that."
the most fun thing to me about this quote is that stan isn't even in ant-man
I like to imagine that the actors are steadily identifying with particular brands in the same way fans would, although that probably isn't the case for most of them
I imagine they do. My hear guys spend a lot of their time doing these movies. The same faces over and over and the avengers crew has expressed a clear fondness for each other.
Also even if it's an attack on antman what Snyder was really calling out were the marvel movies in general.
The multi-part teaser picture for the Spider-Man event Dead No More is complete. I'm sure some of you had a good guess who was in the missing middle portion.
The event's said by Marvel EIC Axel Alonso to be like Spider-Verse in that most of the Spider-titles will take part of it.
The multi-part teaser picture for the Spider-Man event Dead No More is complete. I'm sure some of you had a good guess who was in the missing middle portion.
The event's said by Marvel EIC Axel Alonso to be like Spider-Verse in that most of the Spider-titles will take part of it.
Well considering there are like nearly a dozen Spidey titles they could release the whole thing in one month.
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I hope in whatever form Misty Knight appears she keeps her bionic arm.
I also hope that the Chris Claremont story where Misty and Colleen are captured by a drug lord and injected with heroin until they are addicted, but Misty isn't addicted because they've been injecting the heroin into her robot arm is NOT adapted.
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Thank you, Owen"previews"ashi
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Wait wait wait
Where the FUCK is Ben Reilly in that teaser image?
Taking about clones, what happened to Ultimate Jessica Drew?
The same thing that happened to the rest of the Ultimate Universe! Ba-zing!
Seriously though after going on the run in USM she appeared in Ultimate Doom taking down random Corporations that were pursuing immoral research. In Hickmans Ultimates she is drafted to the Ultimates and its awesome but she basically never does anything. She gives Miles her blessing and helps him out and then has a small part in the Galactus storyline and is on the New Ultimates team made up of teenaged Heroes.
It goes nowhere and now the Ultimate Universe is gone.
Man, you don't realize how many dang false starts the Ultimate Universe had until to trace a characters history...
Taking about clones, what happened to Ultimate Jessica Drew?
The same thing that happened to the rest of the Ultimate Universe! Ba-zing!
Seriously though after going on the run in USM she appeared in Ultimate Doom taking down random Corporations that were pursuing immoral research. In Hickmans Ultimates she is drafted to the Ultimates and its awesome but she basically never does anything. She gives Miles her blessing and helps him out and then has a small part in the Galactus storyline and is on the New Ultimates team made up of teenaged Heroes.
It goes nowhere and now the Ultimate Universe is gone.
Man, you don't realize how many dang false starts the Ultimate Universe had until to trace a characters history...
It was relaunched 3 times in 5 years. If not for Ultimate Spider-Man, I think they would have snuffed it long ago.
Sorry, yeah, that's what I meant. She had a reasonably sized role during *shudder* Spider-Verse, but she hasn't appeared in any of the big team shots after SW. Even Anya got screen time there!
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So in the wake of all the criticism over Batman Vee Superman Colon Dawn of Justice, I decided to go back and look at some old movies
There's been a lot of talk about specific interpretations of the characters and what's wrong with them and what's right about other ones, and it got me thinking: Michael Keaton killed people as Batman. Were those movies also bad? I mean I remember a period where I dismissed them, but I couldn't remember if that was because they were bad movies or bad Batman movies or if I was just in that particular teenage period where things I thought were awesome when I was younger were patently not awesome
Well, I watched Batman tonight. The first one, from 1989. And you know what? It was totally watchable!
Now, it's very obviously a Tim Burton joint, and Batman does totally kill at least one person on screen (and is likely responsible for at least a dozen other deaths) so it is a very different interpretation of Batman... but there's a lot they get right. Michael Keaton is appropriately menacing as Batman and his version of Bruce Wayne is a pretty weird guy, but it also feels like a lived-in performance. He's not perfect. He makes mistakes. In private he's quiet and thoughtful. Pensive, even. He's not awkward, socially, but he is odd, and a bit cold. He even tries to save at least one criminal from a fatal fall! All very Batman qualities, I would say
As a movie, it's also a lot more charming than I remember! I don't know how it was received when it first released, but there's a very real, palpable vein of camp running through the whole thing. It's not Adam West, and they made great pains to make that clear to people when the movie was being made and coming out, but it is intensely theatrical, and operates on a lighter, funnier level than I remember--probably because I was like four when I saw it and the whole thing seemed deathly serious (as did the Adam West show, of course). There's a ton of cheesy-but-sort-of-cool fights, little bits of humor, great little music cues (and I don't mean the Prince songs which only play when Joker is blasting them from a giant boombox but those are fun too) and a ton of great visuals and atmosphere, including some of the most adorable miniatures I've seen in some time
I guess what I was wondering to begin with was "is the concept of Batman killing guys what drove some people away from BvS? do people just want really specific interpretations of this character? can you make a good Batman movie where he kills some guys deliberately?"
And the answer is yeah, totally. It's not a great movie, and it's not what I would consider "definitive" (though I think it's a fairly decent encapsulation of that Batman comic book period post-Adam West and pre-Frank Miller) but it's a totally watchable, charming, entertaining little movie that isn't overwhelmingly dark or even necessarily driven by being "cool." It is a Batman comic book as filtered through a very unique filmmaker's vision, and while that's not really Classic Batman™, it still carries enough of that character and enough of the world around him to feel like Batman even as he blows up an entire chemical factory with the Batmobile
It's definitely more a style-piece than a character-piece, though
Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
I think there's definitely a case to be made for that, but at the same time, you could argue he's simply doing a simpler riff on the "Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the mask!!!" kinda shit
Like he doesn't do the thing that a lot of Bruce Waynes do where they try to put up a front as Wayne to throw people off from thinking he's Batman, by being a billionaire playboy and such? But he sort of comes off like a reclusive shut-in, even as he throws a weird gambling party for a ton of politicians (I think it was for charity though because someone was collecting donations)
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That's way too "nothing" of an announcement to be a joke. Like, it's cool and kind of exciting, but it's not exactly a headline.
I won't lie, I've got mixed feelings about this.
I'd love to hear them. I don't know much about the character or the actress.
On the one hand, cool. I like Henwick and it's nice to see another East Asian actress land a major role. However I'm personally still not over their casting decision for Iron Fist himself. That, plus the fact that while Colleen has a Chinese name her entire character's backstory revolves her Japanese ancestry (samurai and daimyo and ninjas, etc.). Now normally I'd think that they could do something interesting with a mixed background, that struggle of cultural identity especially between two of Asia's major powers, but I frankly just don't trust them to.
It doesn't help as well that Henwick's casting is another case of them probably not really caring all that much about actual differences in race and heritage, considering the fact that she's Singaporean Chinese. It doesn't seem like a lot to others, some consider it similar to casting a Brit to play an American, but this matters a fair amount as so many East Asian races are treated as interchangeable as is.
I want to be happily surprised, but while it's not the same people behind Daredevil, my faith just isn't all that high with regards to how they'll treat Asian characters in Iron Fist. The surface level vague Asian mysticism and stereotypical aura surrounding Kung-fu and martial arts and that whole region's combined history and folklore may have worked decades ago, but at this point I expect more especially if that's still going to be the core of this series.
Again, I want them to prove me wrong, but I doubt they will.
the most fun thing to me about this quote is that stan isn't even in ant-man
I like to imagine that the actors are steadily identifying with particular brands in the same way fans would, although that probably isn't the case for most of them
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I don't have a problem with magic Kung-fu at all. I have a problem with it being essentially a vehicle for stereotyping and whatnot when it's produced in the West.
Thanks. I definitely see where you're coming from and would share your apprehension about them pulling it off well, given, well, basically everything that's been made by western media up to this point.
I imagine they do. My hear guys spend a lot of their time doing these movies. The same faces over and over and the avengers crew has expressed a clear fondness for each other.
Also even if it's an attack on antman what Snyder was really calling out were the marvel movies in general.
The event's said by Marvel EIC Axel Alonso to be like Spider-Verse in that most of the Spider-titles will take part of it.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Well considering there are like nearly a dozen Spidey titles they could release the whole thing in one month.
I also hope that the Chris Claremont story where Misty and Colleen are captured by a drug lord and injected with heroin until they are addicted, but Misty isn't addicted because they've been injecting the heroin into her robot arm is NOT adapted.
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Where the FUCK is Ben Reilly in that teaser image?
No prob.
Kaine's already there representing the Scarlet Spider brand. That or maybe clones simply don't have souls in Marvel.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
edit: only in the comics thread can you use phrases like " The last time he was brought back to life"
Prowler's not much of a surprise since he's become a part of the post-SW supporting cast.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
That was my first thought, too, but Kaine is a clone.
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The same thing that happened to the rest of the Ultimate Universe! Ba-zing!
Seriously though after going on the run in USM she appeared in Ultimate Doom taking down random Corporations that were pursuing immoral research. In Hickmans Ultimates she is drafted to the Ultimates and its awesome but she basically never does anything. She gives Miles her blessing and helps him out and then has a small part in the Galactus storyline and is on the New Ultimates team made up of teenaged Heroes.
It goes nowhere and now the Ultimate Universe is gone.
Man, you don't realize how many dang false starts the Ultimate Universe had until to trace a characters history...
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
It was relaunched 3 times in 5 years. If not for Ultimate Spider-Man, I think they would have snuffed it long ago.
If that happened nothing of value would have been lost when they ended the universe.
I mean Kitty Pryde was cool but mostly for becoming a freedom fighter leader and they had already ended that.
I thought Kaine was still alive.
Though, according to Venom series, when X-23 showed up during a Mephisto arc, clones do in fact have souls.
Hmmm. You might be right. I remember him sacrificing himself or something at the end of Spider-Verse, but I think his fate was actually left unclear.
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Sorry, yeah, that's what I meant. She had a reasonably sized role during *shudder* Spider-Verse, but she hasn't appeared in any of the big team shots after SW. Even Anya got screen time there!
There's been a lot of talk about specific interpretations of the characters and what's wrong with them and what's right about other ones, and it got me thinking: Michael Keaton killed people as Batman. Were those movies also bad? I mean I remember a period where I dismissed them, but I couldn't remember if that was because they were bad movies or bad Batman movies or if I was just in that particular teenage period where things I thought were awesome when I was younger were patently not awesome
Well, I watched Batman tonight. The first one, from 1989. And you know what? It was totally watchable!
Now, it's very obviously a Tim Burton joint, and Batman does totally kill at least one person on screen (and is likely responsible for at least a dozen other deaths) so it is a very different interpretation of Batman... but there's a lot they get right. Michael Keaton is appropriately menacing as Batman and his version of Bruce Wayne is a pretty weird guy, but it also feels like a lived-in performance. He's not perfect. He makes mistakes. In private he's quiet and thoughtful. Pensive, even. He's not awkward, socially, but he is odd, and a bit cold. He even tries to save at least one criminal from a fatal fall! All very Batman qualities, I would say
As a movie, it's also a lot more charming than I remember! I don't know how it was received when it first released, but there's a very real, palpable vein of camp running through the whole thing. It's not Adam West, and they made great pains to make that clear to people when the movie was being made and coming out, but it is intensely theatrical, and operates on a lighter, funnier level than I remember--probably because I was like four when I saw it and the whole thing seemed deathly serious (as did the Adam West show, of course). There's a ton of cheesy-but-sort-of-cool fights, little bits of humor, great little music cues (and I don't mean the Prince songs which only play when Joker is blasting them from a giant boombox but those are fun too) and a ton of great visuals and atmosphere, including some of the most adorable miniatures I've seen in some time
I guess what I was wondering to begin with was "is the concept of Batman killing guys what drove some people away from BvS? do people just want really specific interpretations of this character? can you make a good Batman movie where he kills some guys deliberately?"
And the answer is yeah, totally. It's not a great movie, and it's not what I would consider "definitive" (though I think it's a fairly decent encapsulation of that Batman comic book period post-Adam West and pre-Frank Miller) but it's a totally watchable, charming, entertaining little movie that isn't overwhelmingly dark or even necessarily driven by being "cool." It is a Batman comic book as filtered through a very unique filmmaker's vision, and while that's not really Classic Batman™, it still carries enough of that character and enough of the world around him to feel like Batman even as he blows up an entire chemical factory with the Batmobile
It's definitely more a style-piece than a character-piece, though
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Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
are you strictly talking live action or are you including voice actors?
I ask because I'm genuinely curious.
Live Action.
Although if I am being fair, I couldn't actually consider a voice acting in competition with a live action actor.
Sorry, but actually having to film the fight scenes is different from shrugging/huffing into a microphone...
I think there's definitely a case to be made for that, but at the same time, you could argue he's simply doing a simpler riff on the "Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the mask!!!" kinda shit
Like he doesn't do the thing that a lot of Bruce Waynes do where they try to put up a front as Wayne to throw people off from thinking he's Batman, by being a billionaire playboy and such? But he sort of comes off like a reclusive shut-in, even as he throws a weird gambling party for a ton of politicians (I think it was for charity though because someone was collecting donations)
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