Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
i would argue Bale's performance in Batman Begins was the most nuanced. he essentially played three different characters; Batman, Bruce Wayne the Socialite, and real Bruce Wayne. a lot of things about the latter inform the first, but it's still distinct enough that there's a clear separation between them
the problem is that the sequels found the villains more interesting than Wayne and focused way less on him, which made Bale's performance suffer, so overall it doesn't look as good
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
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Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
i would argue Bale's performance in Batman Begins was the most nuanced. he essentially played three different characters; Batman, Bruce Wayne the Socialite, and real Bruce Wayne. a lot of things about the latter inform the first, but it's still distinct enough that there's a clear separation between them
the problem is that the sequels found the villains more interesting than Wayne and focused way less on him, which made Bale's performance suffer, so overall it doesn't look as good
Bale does a good job in all those movies! His character has depth and nuance and motivation! He's a great Bruce Wayne, both real and socialite, in every movie! The plot just gets away from his character (as it probably should, to a certain degree) and people get too hung up on the Batvoice (which is only really funny in like two scenes in the whole trilogy)
Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
I think there's definitely a case to be made for that, but at the same time, you could argue he's simply doing a simpler riff on the "Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the mask!!!" kinda shit
Like he doesn't do the thing that a lot of Bruce Waynes do where they try to put up a front as Wayne to throw people off from thinking he's Batman, by being a billionaire playboy and such? But he sort of comes off like a reclusive shut-in, even as he throws a weird gambling party for a ton of politicians (I think it was for charity though because someone was collecting donations)
I think the thing that separates Keaton's portrayal of Wayne away from Bale's is that while Bale is out there being a dumb, air-head socialite Keaton really sells the idea of Bruce Wayne being a dork.
Like, if you met Bale's Bruce Wayne you'd think he was a very charismatic albeit cowardly social king.
But Keaton's Bruce Wayne? What a fucking loser? Have you met that guy? What a piece of dry toast...
And I really, really love that version of Batman's disguise.
Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
I think there's definitely a case to be made for that, but at the same time, you could argue he's simply doing a simpler riff on the "Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the mask!!!" kinda shit
Like he doesn't do the thing that a lot of Bruce Waynes do where they try to put up a front as Wayne to throw people off from thinking he's Batman, by being a billionaire playboy and such? But he sort of comes off like a reclusive shut-in, even as he throws a weird gambling party for a ton of politicians (I think it was for charity though because someone was collecting donations)
I think the thing that separates Keaton's portrayal of Wayne away from Bale's is that while Bale is out there being a dumb, air-head socialite Keaton really sells the idea of Bruce Wayne being a dork.
Like, if you met Bale's Bruce Wayne you'd think he was a very charismatic albeit cowardly social king.
But Keaton's Bruce Wayne? What a fucking loser? Have you met that guy? What a piece of dry toast...
And I really, really love that version of Batman's disguise.
I didn't really get that from his performance! I mean, Robert Wuhl says that about him, but he comes off more as... well, an odd and reclusive shut-in
The guy's got a room full of weird armor from all over the world! He never really strikes me as the "boring, unnoticeable" type
Then again, we never really see him talk or interact with anyone except Alfred, Vicki Vale, and Robert Wuhl's character whose name I forget. Maybe that's where I get the "reclusive" from
Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
i would argue Bale's performance in Batman Begins was the most nuanced. he essentially played three different characters; Batman, Bruce Wayne the Socialite, and real Bruce Wayne. a lot of things about the latter inform the first, but it's still distinct enough that there's a clear separation between them
the problem is that the sequels found the villains more interesting than Wayne and focused way less on him, which made Bale's performance suffer, so overall it doesn't look as good
Bale does a good job in all those movies! His character has depth and nuance and motivation! He's a great Bruce Wayne, both real and socialite, in every movie! The plot just gets away from his character (as it probably should, to a certain degree) and people get too hung up on the Batvoice (which is only really funny in like two scenes in the whole trilogy)
i guess when i say his performance suffered i more mean the character he portrayed in the first movie. that movie is all about Bruce Wayne, so Bale really gets to shine. but from then on the story puts way less focus on him, despite him technically being the main character. there are a few moments in TDK where he gets to do some real work, but nothing quite like putting on the different faces he did in Begins, and the whole performance is easily overshadowed by anything Ledger did. then TDKR starts with Bruce in a really weird place (especially following the climax of the last movie) kinda fumbles his arc, even if Bale does a good job with what he's given
so while i think Bale is technically the best realized version of the character we've had so far, i would say that his peak was definitely in Begins because the material was a lot stronger for him as an actor
and also it really irks me seeing all the praise that Affleck has gotten, with a lot of people saying he's the best live action version of the character yet despite the movie's flaws
like, he's fine in the role, but he doesn't really do anything particularly noteworthy and barely gets any screen time whatsoever as "Bruce Wayne". sure, he punches dudes real good in that one scene, but other than that he's kinda just angry all the time and nothing about his performance stood out to me as particularly astounding
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Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
i would argue Bale's performance in Batman Begins was the most nuanced. he essentially played three different characters; Batman, Bruce Wayne the Socialite, and real Bruce Wayne. a lot of things about the latter inform the first, but it's still distinct enough that there's a clear separation between them
the problem is that the sequels found the villains more interesting than Wayne and focused way less on him, which made Bale's performance suffer, so overall it doesn't look as good
Bale does a good job in all those movies! His character has depth and nuance and motivation! He's a great Bruce Wayne, both real and socialite, in every movie! The plot just gets away from his character (as it probably should, to a certain degree) and people get too hung up on the Batvoice (which is only really funny in like two scenes in the whole trilogy)
i guess when i say his performance suffered i more mean the character he portrayed in the first movie. that movie is all about Bruce Wayne, so Bale really gets to shine. but from then on the story puts way less focus on him, despite him technically being the main character. there are a few moments in TDK where he gets to do some real work, but nothing quite like putting on the different faces he did in Begins, and the whole performance is easily overshadowed by anything Ledger did. then TDKR starts with Bruce in a really weird place (especially following the climax of the last movie) kinda fumbles his arc, even if Bale does a good job with what he's given
so while i think Bale is technically the best realized version of the character we've had so far, i would say that his peak was definitely in Begins because the material was a lot stronger for him as an actor
Sure, totally. I think that's a natural consequence of the story continuing past the first movie
and also it really irks me seeing all the praise that Affleck has gotten, with a lot of people saying he's the best live action version of the character yet despite the movie's flaws
like, he's fine in the role, but he doesn't really do anything particularly noteworthy and barely gets any screen time whatsoever as "Bruce Wayne". sure, he punches dudes real good in that one scene, but other than that he's kinda just angry all the time and nothing about his performance stood out to me as particularly astounding
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Also the Atom was very clearly supposed to be Ted Kord Blue Beetle
And now apparently Deathstroke is forbidden from showing up again
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Also the Atom was very clearly supposed to be Ted Kord Blue Beetle
And now apparently Deathstroke is forbidden from showing up again
And
Amanda Waller was killed off and was replaced with Lyla
for a company whose whole business model sometimes seems to be 'put a batman on it', they have been surprisingly stingy about using him on television
I actually think arrowverse or whatever they're calling it would be a good opportunity to do an adam west style batman, since nobody's really done anything close to that in the modern era other than I guess Keaton kind of
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Reflecting these past couple of years has brought me to the conclusion that I defiantly think Michael Keaton was both the best Bruce Wayne & Batman.
Each are so vividly different from each other but connected at the same time.
He's the only actor portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne where I could illustrate a solid Venn Diagram of personality traits.
are you strictly talking live action or are you including TAS? Honest question.
Live Action.
Although if I am being fair, I couldn't actually consider a voice acting in competition with a live action actor.
Sorry, but actually having to film the fight scenes is different from shrugging/huffing into a microphone...
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Shawshank redemption is on Netflix instant watch.
BvS: defeated.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Wait, so there is a Talia Al Gul out there, somewhere? The only reason I can think of why they haven't used her yet is for the long shot Hail Mary chance for an Arrowverse Batman show/storyline
Sadly,
We will never have Batman or any of his associates in Arrow as long as Gotham or any other show directly tied to him exists, because DC literally thinks people would get needlessly confused at more than one version of Batman and company on television and so they forbid any of their characters from being in multiple shows. This is also why DC forbids Arrow from having a variety of characters in it, even ones that aren't actually in Gotham at the moment.
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
Also the Atom was very clearly supposed to be Ted Kord Blue Beetle
And now apparently Deathstroke is forbidden from showing up again
So looking at the time line he didn't take over as CEO until March 2013, so I can see Deadshot and Kord occurring before he changed things.
Waller happens after... Though I'm 50/50 that on that being related to the upcoming movie, could have been a number of things.
Even without a World War Z or a Straight Outta Compton waiting in the wings, the Zack Snyder superhero sequel still dropped huge on its second Friday. That’s a larger drop than the likes of Fantastic Four (-78.7%), Watchmen (-78.4%), The Dark Knight Rises (-76.6%), Hulk (-76.5%), X-Men Origins: Wolverine (-75.8%), Green Lantern (-72%), and Man of Steel (-71.5%).
Woah, what? I thought people (besides me) liked that movie
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i would argue Bale's performance in Batman Begins was the most nuanced. he essentially played three different characters; Batman, Bruce Wayne the Socialite, and real Bruce Wayne. a lot of things about the latter inform the first, but it's still distinct enough that there's a clear separation between them
the problem is that the sequels found the villains more interesting than Wayne and focused way less on him, which made Bale's performance suffer, so overall it doesn't look as good
First off, I actually liked it a lot!
However
Bale does a good job in all those movies! His character has depth and nuance and motivation! He's a great Bruce Wayne, both real and socialite, in every movie! The plot just gets away from his character (as it probably should, to a certain degree) and people get too hung up on the Batvoice (which is only really funny in like two scenes in the whole trilogy)
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I think the thing that separates Keaton's portrayal of Wayne away from Bale's is that while Bale is out there being a dumb, air-head socialite Keaton really sells the idea of Bruce Wayne being a dork.
Like, if you met Bale's Bruce Wayne you'd think he was a very charismatic albeit cowardly social king.
But Keaton's Bruce Wayne? What a fucking loser? Have you met that guy? What a piece of dry toast...
And I really, really love that version of Batman's disguise.
Legends of Tomorrow is really good now
it's really good in an episode where Vandal Savage doesn't appear at all
I didn't really get that from his performance! I mean, Robert Wuhl says that about him, but he comes off more as... well, an odd and reclusive shut-in
The guy's got a room full of weird armor from all over the world! He never really strikes me as the "boring, unnoticeable" type
Then again, we never really see him talk or interact with anyone except Alfred, Vicki Vale, and Robert Wuhl's character whose name I forget. Maybe that's where I get the "reclusive" from
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i guess when i say his performance suffered i more mean the character he portrayed in the first movie. that movie is all about Bruce Wayne, so Bale really gets to shine. but from then on the story puts way less focus on him, despite him technically being the main character. there are a few moments in TDK where he gets to do some real work, but nothing quite like putting on the different faces he did in Begins, and the whole performance is easily overshadowed by anything Ledger did. then TDKR starts with Bruce in a really weird place (especially following the climax of the last movie) kinda fumbles his arc, even if Bale does a good job with what he's given
so while i think Bale is technically the best realized version of the character we've had so far, i would say that his peak was definitely in Begins because the material was a lot stronger for him as an actor
like, he's fine in the role, but he doesn't really do anything particularly noteworthy and barely gets any screen time whatsoever as "Bruce Wayne". sure, he punches dudes real good in that one scene, but other than that he's kinda just angry all the time and nothing about his performance stood out to me as particularly astounding
Sure, totally. I think that's a natural consequence of the story continuing past the first movie
His hair is better than Keaton's, too
The late 80's/early 90's were... unfortunate
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Maybe he's just exceeding very low expectations.
Sadly,
For instance, Deadshot was killed in Arrow, so that the character will not co-exist in both Arrow and the Suicide Squad movie.
In a season 2 episode of Arrow, we briefly see a gal in a cell that is strongly implied to be Harley Queen, and DC basically said "NO FUCKING WAY" to that and so she's never seen again.
As if last year that's not true anymore.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-cw-warner-bros-dc-the-flash-arrow-1201646970/
So yes what you mentioned was part of the old "policy" this new one is one of the reasons why Supergirl and Gotham even exsist.
So it much more a possibility now than it would have been during the first 3 seasons of Arrow.
Also the Atom was very clearly supposed to be Ted Kord Blue Beetle
And now apparently Deathstroke is forbidden from showing up again
that's an incredibly bad drop
it actually puts it about on par with MoS's second week drop, which had Monsters University and World War Z open the following weekend
BvS's competition is...
I actually think arrowverse or whatever they're calling it would be a good opportunity to do an adam west style batman, since nobody's really done anything close to that in the modern era other than I guess Keaton kind of
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
and people hated it
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just because
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Not entirely. 60's Batman was cheesy but Batman was always played seriously. Batman was the straight man in all the cheese and silliness.
With Batman & Robin, Batman is part of the silliness and that ruins a lot of the fun.
THE ICE AGE
Iunno, Zootopia? By all accounts it's doing surprisingly well.
Drastic changes in the environment that forced species to adapt or go extinct over a period of time?
Oh right, I keep forgetting my country just had a late release.
Staying home and watching something on T V, judging by what I saw tonight
Young Justice Season 2 on Netflix.
Let us go enjoy a dark, broody DC that is excellent rather than passable.
Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
Curtis's flip over the monitors
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BvS: defeated.
So looking at the time line he didn't take over as CEO until March 2013, so I can see Deadshot and Kord occurring before he changed things.
Waller happens after... Though I'm 50/50 that on that being related to the upcoming movie, could have been a number of things.
A) Holy shit
Woah, what? I thought people (besides me) liked that movie