What is the earleist that she can solo dragon? Is there any other jungler out there (rip fiddlesticks) that can solo dragon super early?
Not really sure for Kindred--probably depends on getting some early passive stacks. I probably wouldn't try it before 5 or 6.
For the second part of the question, I'd just answer the usual suspects--Malzahar, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Warwick, Shaco. Basically people that can avoid taking damage and/or have a lot of sustain. Elise probably still qualifies, and Ekko might be able to do it kind of early given how solid his shield is. Skarner might be up there given his mini-game.
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So i'm trying to play a bit of kindred. Having decent success in normals. Terrified to go into ranked.
What is the earleist that she can solo dragon? Is there any other jungler out there (rip fiddlesticks) that can solo dragon super early?
I sort of understand why you want to solo dragon, but also can't you ask your lane or at least the support to help? In gold 5 isn't the river going to be warded much of the time and thus their botlane is going to come contest anyway? When I'm support I have pretty solid uptime on river wards and I am a bad. My fellow bads often do so as well.
A hardy no to both of those questions. People in gold 5 still ward the bush by river so it's not far enough up that early in the game. Bot laners usually only move up there if they see the enemy bot lane move that way. So, asking for help creates a disadvantage. Say only the support comes and the enemy team sends 3 etc. Before the rework I was taking dragon at level 3 consistently in gold IV.
edit: it sounds kind of dickish but the more consistently i can provide a benefit for my team without relying on or involving my teammates the better.
So i'm trying to play a bit of kindred. Having decent success in normals. Terrified to go into ranked.
What is the earleist that she can solo dragon? Is there any other jungler out there (rip fiddlesticks) that can solo dragon super early?
I sort of understand why you want to solo dragon, but also can't you ask your lane or at least the support to help? In gold 5 isn't the river going to be warded much of the time and thus their botlane is going to come contest anyway? When I'm support I have pretty solid uptime on river wards and I am a bad. My fellow bads often do so as well.
A hardy no to both of those questions. People in gold 5 still ward the bush by river so it's not far enough up that early in the game. Bot laners usually only move up there if they see the enemy bot lane move that way. So, asking for help creates a disadvantage. Say only the support comes and the enemy team sends 3 etc. Before the rework I was taking dragon at level 3 consistently in gold IV.
edit: it sounds kind of dickish but the more consistently i can provide a benefit for my team without relying on or involving my teammates the better.
That's not dickish; it's totally reasonable. My adc choice of Sivir is largely based on wanting to play someone who can 1v2 with no support/as if the support isn't there.
Hm, and once again a Zyra game starting out 0/3 in which we end up winning. Am I just not affecting these games at all, maybe...
That said, I do ward the river at dragon. But I guess it's not that common.
So i'm trying to play a bit of kindred. Having decent success in normals. Terrified to go into ranked.
What is the earleist that she can solo dragon? Is there any other jungler out there (rip fiddlesticks) that can solo dragon super early?
I sort of understand why you want to solo dragon, but also can't you ask your lane or at least the support to help? In gold 5 isn't the river going to be warded much of the time and thus their botlane is going to come contest anyway? When I'm support I have pretty solid uptime on river wards and I am a bad. My fellow bads often do so as well.
A hardy no to both of those questions. People in gold 5 still ward the bush by river so it's not far enough up that early in the game. Bot laners usually only move up there if they see the enemy bot lane move that way. So, asking for help creates a disadvantage. Say only the support comes and the enemy team sends 3 etc. Before the rework I was taking dragon at level 3 consistently in gold IV.
edit: it sounds kind of dickish but the more consistently i can provide a benefit for my team without relying on or involving my teammates the better.
That's not dickish; it's totally reasonable. My adc choice of Sivir is largely based on wanting to play someone who can 1v2 with no support/as if the support isn't there.
Hm, and once again a Zyra game starting out 0/3 in which we end up winning. Am I just not affecting these games at all, maybe...
That said, I do ward the river at dragon. But I guess it's not that common.
Depends on the enemy jungler. Somebody fast or early dragon potential? Ward high up. Someone who can hop walls? Closer to watch the vulnerable spots.
What is the earleist that she can solo dragon? Is there any other jungler out there (rip fiddlesticks) that can solo dragon super early?
Not really sure for Kindred--probably depends on getting some early passive stacks. I probably wouldn't try it before 5 or 6.
For the second part of the question, I'd just answer the usual suspects--Malzahar, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Warwick, Shaco. Basically people that can avoid taking damage and/or have a lot of sustain. Elise probably still qualifies, and Ekko might be able to do it kind of early given how solid his shield is. Skarner might be up there given his mini-game.
i think i'll try to bring Warwick out again along with Kindred. That should give me a decent ability to set the pace of the game through objectives.
What is the earleist that she can solo dragon? Is there any other jungler out there (rip fiddlesticks) that can solo dragon super early?
Not really sure for Kindred--probably depends on getting some early passive stacks. I probably wouldn't try it before 5 or 6.
For the second part of the question, I'd just answer the usual suspects--Malzahar, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Warwick, Shaco. Basically people that can avoid taking damage and/or have a lot of sustain. Elise probably still qualifies, and Ekko might be able to do it kind of early given how solid his shield is. Skarner might be up there given his mini-game.
i think i'll try to bring Warwick out again along with Kindred. That should give me a decent ability to set the pace of the game through objectives.
In this recent game, Warwick did dragon at like 6 minutes. Orianna did walk over to help him, but he didn't ask for her help, suggesting that he probably would have been able to solo? It took a long time, though.
This game in general was pretty fun. Win conditions: only teamfight, never don't teamfight. Once everyone understood that (and I helped defuse some incipient toxicity) we just walked up to towers and took them without contest. It was pretty great. Much of my team claimed to be smurfing afterwards, but their cs is abysmal, so I'm not sure. Jinx was pretty skilled.
I wonder what some of the new champs that came out post Dominion are gonna be like. Taliya and Aurelion can both show up instantly and turn any skirmish into a numbers advantage if their teleport cooldown are up. Taliya seems to have solid zone control through her W and E and her Q being AoE in tiny corridors could potentially be useful or really bad because of the worked ground restriction, buy also make her a nuisance thanks to all the move speed zones she'll have. Aurelion can cut off a lot of ground with his Q and his stars should be relatively painful to fight around too.
Also I won't have to worry about people trying to do nothing but back cap and CHASE THE GODDAMN SHACO OR NEVER BUILD A VISION ITEM aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
At least it's blind draft, so you can ban out Shaco and Kassadin.
It's also live on NA.
EDIT: And maaaaaaaaaaan, you get shit for champion mastery on there. Just got a A on there and you only get like 100 points. Although that was a loss, so.
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So my team is slightly losing early (our jg Shaco is bad). I ward dragon, as I do. Volibear tries to take it around lvl 5 ( @DasUberEdward I guess he's one of the people that can do that?) I ping a bunch, me (supp Naut) and Jinx go fight, Shaco very belatedly joins, Zed does not join, we trade like 1 for two (we die) and stop dragon. Volibear does it again, it is warded, I ping again, Jinx and I go, Shaco hasn't healed from last time and dies, Zed wanders around our red jg instead of coming to help, we die, Zed calls us useless and then sits in fountain for the rest of the game. Top Irelia then sits in fountain for most of the rest of the game.
It's ranked
???
I muted him but did tell him he was being unacceptable and making the game unfun to play, as well as not being responsive to situations at dragon where I expect mid to contribute. Then I reported him; can't really do anything else about it.
So my team is slightly losing early (our jg Shaco is bad). I ward dragon, as I do. Volibear tries to take it around lvl 5 ( @DasUberEdward I guess he's one of the people that can do that?) I ping a bunch, me (supp Naut) and Jinx go fight, Shaco very belatedly joins, Zed does not join, we trade like 1 for two (we die) and stop dragon. Volibear does it again, it is warded, I ping again, Jinx and I go, Shaco hasn't healed from last time and dies, Zed wanders around our red jg instead of coming to help, we die, Zed calls us useless and then sits in fountain for the rest of the game. Top Irelia then sits in fountain for most of the rest of the game.
It's ranked
???
I muted him but did tell him he was being unacceptable and making the game unfun to play, as well as not being responsive to situations at dragon where I expect mid to contribute. Then I reported him; can't really do anything else about it.
Time to take a break...
That is why I am terrified of requiring teammates to help with early dragon.
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Woo, my first mastery 6! I think the purple looks good with Vi's hair.
Kinda looks weird on my champion list with no others even at 5 yet
Kills come at a very high rate on Definitely Not Dominion. Low respawn timers have a hand in that.
One of my games my friend and I combined for 55-25 alone. That was a fun game. It was also his first Kha'zix game ever and wants to do nothing but play the stupid bug. I've unleashed a Kha'zix main on the world. ):
So I picked up Thresh, and have been trying to get a feel for him.
It seems like when I do land the clutch hook/hook combo, I make the plays to end all plays, feel like an unstoppable force, generally feel awesome.
Though also, I feel like I die way faster than I think I should with him. I guess it makes sense since the only real defense I have is lantern if I haven't used it, but I keep thinking that I should feel like a tank and then I feel way more squishy mage-y than I'd think.
Also I feel like I should at least try him with Relic shield instead of coin. I know it requires more coordination with the ADC so that we're not fighting over cs, but maybe the extra health will feel a little better.
I think im pretty good player, and i destroyed every enemy Riven so far. this time, even with ganks from my jungler, i couldnt do anything to her, and she carried game. Not fun, not fun at all.
I think im pretty good player, and i destroyed every enemy Riven so far. this time, even with ganks from my jungler, i couldnt do anything to her, and she carried game. Not fun, not fun at all.
Sometimes you have games like that. The best way to spot a smurf is by their CS. When solo laners will have like 50 cs, they'll be sitting on 150 somehow.
So I picked up Thresh, and have been trying to get a feel for him.
It seems like when I do land the clutch hook/hook combo, I make the plays to end all plays, feel like an unstoppable force, generally feel awesome.
Though also, I feel like I die way faster than I think I should with him. I guess it makes sense since the only real defense I have is lantern if I haven't used it, but I keep thinking that I should feel like a tank and then I feel way more squishy mage-y than I'd think.
Also I feel like I should at least try him with Relic shield instead of coin. I know it requires more coordination with the ADC so that we're not fighting over cs, but maybe the extra health will feel a little better.
"Moments of Godhood followed by LOOOOOOONG stretches of mediocrity" is pretty much how Thresh feels unless you're just really, really skilled at league, and even then if you don't particularly get him he can still fall short. Thresh both demands and rewards particular skill in him more than most if not all supports. I've had to tell myself to stop playing him no matter how great the great moments feel because I know I can't maintain that level of play.
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If someone is building percent health damage, e.g. a Shyvana with Bloodrazor and BotRK, you buy armor rather than health to counter right? Because the %-health damage (whether maximum or current) is calculated and then dealt as physical, not actually %-reducing your HP directly, and armor will reduce that damage whereas if you increase your health pool their damage scales up with it. Correct?
We had trouble closing this one out because sieging against Azir is hard and our Kindred didn't see the Azir turret and dove. Still very solid; completely crushed them in lane.
She would be pick or ban if not for the skill cap. I am absolutely positive that you can carry as a support with her.
I just about got there this morning. Longest match of League I've had in a very long time. Highlights were the murder machine Kha'zix (turns out you can foil that by hanging out near him at half health, watching for the jump, then slamming down your ult and hitting Zhonya's while Jinx and Talon vaporize him) and the jungle Yi who was constantly bitching about Jinx taking "his" CS. I love junglers who don't get that they're a 4, and the ADC is a 1.
Oh, and there was so much chasing of Singed. People never learn.
She would be pick or ban if not for the skill cap. I am absolutely positive that you can carry as a support with her.
I just about got there this morning. Longest match of League I've had in a very long time. Highlights were the murder machine Kha'zix (turns out you can foil that by hanging out near him at half health, watching for the jump, then slamming down your ult and hitting Zhonya's while Jinx and Talon vaporize him) and the jungle Yi who was constantly bitching about Jinx taking "his" CS. I love junglers who don't get that they're a 4, and the ADC is a 1.
Oh, and there was so much chasing of Singed. People never learn.
what on earth happened between 39:00 and 40:00 hahaha
She would be pick or ban if not for the skill cap. I am absolutely positive that you can carry as a support with her.
I am not convinced she's super-high skillcap any more. She's fragile before sightstone, but not the worst, and then often a Rylai's and/or BoC tanks her up. The fact that you get all these free seeds, and you don't even have to put your skillshots right on top of the seeds for them to turn into plants, means that you can essentially just Q wherever, vaguely close to the enemy, and then you will make two plants and they will attack the adc a few times and proc thunderlords and bam half the adc's health is gone.
Land an E-Q at lvl 2 and you can get first blood often. You also usually win 2v2s (unless they start by you instantly exploding) because of the plant damage. In teamfights, you just kinda E dangerous people, plot down ult, make some plants, whatever. If your team doesn't do well, you often have the most damage on the team; if they do do well, you hopefully have turned your adc into someone who does more damage than you.
I'm enjoying playing her a lot! Also I always love playing a support with good waveclear. You can contribute significantly to tower defense or to a pushing effort.
I have rediscovered Elise, the Forgotten Champion. She's not bad in Twisted Treeline but her Q feels weaker than it should be. 1 Q is worth 2 standard hits?
She would be pick or ban if not for the skill cap. I am absolutely positive that you can carry as a support with her.
I just about got there this morning. Longest match of League I've had in a very long time. Highlights were the murder machine Kha'zix (turns out you can foil that by hanging out near him at half health, watching for the jump, then slamming down your ult and hitting Zhonya's while Jinx and Talon vaporize him) and the jungle Yi who was constantly bitching about Jinx taking "his" CS. I love junglers who don't get that they're a 4, and the ADC is a 1.
Oh, and there was so much chasing of Singed. People never learn.
what on earth happened between 39:00 and 40:00 hahaha
Got them 5v4 at Baron, then we took Baron, 2 towers, and an inhib. Of course, people stuck around in their base after they started respawning, they died, and the game stretched on for another 15 minutes.
How come I have to eat the dodge penalty for the guy trying to lock in Vayne but locking in Trynd instead? I'm not the one who failed the lock-in...I guess I lost dodge chicken, even though I dodged with 1 sec left.
Dodge penalty really doesn't mean much unless you are in a series.
You get the lost LP back in a game or two because it doesn't impact your MMR.
I dodge all the time, and will continue to do so. Dodging and eating a 5 or even 30 min wait time is far superior than playing a game with people bickering from the get go.
I have rediscovered Elise, the Forgotten Champion. She's not bad in Twisted Treeline but her Q feels weaker than it should be. 1 Q is worth 2 standard hits?
Elise feels very good on Rift right now to me. I suppose mileage may vary, but she's my go-to AP jungler if I need one.
Tank also seems to work fairly well if you just wanna skitter around everywhere and not die.
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I think I will try picking up Vi again, I want an AD jungler that I can play as an alternative to Volibear, since I play Voli in every "serious" game that I'm jungle in. I'm just so bad with her Q's though. I feel like I used to whiff those all day.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
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Not really sure for Kindred--probably depends on getting some early passive stacks. I probably wouldn't try it before 5 or 6.
For the second part of the question, I'd just answer the usual suspects--Malzahar, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Warwick, Shaco. Basically people that can avoid taking damage and/or have a lot of sustain. Elise probably still qualifies, and Ekko might be able to do it kind of early given how solid his shield is. Skarner might be up there given his mini-game.
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A hardy no to both of those questions. People in gold 5 still ward the bush by river so it's not far enough up that early in the game. Bot laners usually only move up there if they see the enemy bot lane move that way. So, asking for help creates a disadvantage. Say only the support comes and the enemy team sends 3 etc. Before the rework I was taking dragon at level 3 consistently in gold IV.
edit: it sounds kind of dickish but the more consistently i can provide a benefit for my team without relying on or involving my teammates the better.
That's not dickish; it's totally reasonable. My adc choice of Sivir is largely based on wanting to play someone who can 1v2 with no support/as if the support isn't there.
Hm, and once again a Zyra game starting out 0/3 in which we end up winning. Am I just not affecting these games at all, maybe...
That said, I do ward the river at dragon. But I guess it's not that common.
Depends on the enemy jungler. Somebody fast or early dragon potential? Ward high up. Someone who can hop walls? Closer to watch the vulnerable spots.
i think i'll try to bring Warwick out again along with Kindred. That should give me a decent ability to set the pace of the game through objectives.
In this recent game, Warwick did dragon at like 6 minutes. Orianna did walk over to help him, but he didn't ask for her help, suggesting that he probably would have been able to solo? It took a long time, though.
This game in general was pretty fun. Win conditions: only teamfight, never don't teamfight. Once everyone understood that (and I helped defuse some incipient toxicity) we just walked up to towers and took them without contest. It was pretty great. Much of my team claimed to be smurfing afterwards, but their cs is abysmal, so I'm not sure. Jinx was pretty skilled.
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Fuck that shit
And available all the time.
And it should replace SR.
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Also I won't have to worry about people trying to do nothing but back cap and CHASE THE GODDAMN SHACO OR NEVER BUILD A VISION ITEM aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
It's also live on NA.
EDIT: And maaaaaaaaaaan, you get shit for champion mastery on there. Just got a A on there and you only get like 100 points. Although that was a loss, so.
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Trying to tear me away from Overwatch... bold move Riot.
Thanks for the heads up.
It's ranked
???
I muted him but did tell him he was being unacceptable and making the game unfun to play, as well as not being responsive to situations at dragon where I expect mid to contribute. Then I reported him; can't really do anything else about it.
Time to take a break...
That is why I am terrified of requiring teammates to help with early dragon.
Kinda looks weird on my champion list with no others even at 5 yet
Holy hell that comeback
Wow, that bronze-life kill total.
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One of my games my friend and I combined for 55-25 alone. That was a fun game. It was also his first Kha'zix game ever and wants to do nothing but play the stupid bug. I've unleashed a Kha'zix main on the world. ):
It seems like when I do land the clutch hook/hook combo, I make the plays to end all plays, feel like an unstoppable force, generally feel awesome.
Though also, I feel like I die way faster than I think I should with him. I guess it makes sense since the only real defense I have is lantern if I haven't used it, but I keep thinking that I should feel like a tank and then I feel way more squishy mage-y than I'd think.
Also I feel like I should at least try him with Relic shield instead of coin. I know it requires more coordination with the ADC so that we're not fighting over cs, but maybe the extra health will feel a little better.
I think im pretty good player, and i destroyed every enemy Riven so far. this time, even with ganks from my jungler, i couldnt do anything to her, and she carried game. Not fun, not fun at all.
Sometimes you have games like that. The best way to spot a smurf is by their CS. When solo laners will have like 50 cs, they'll be sitting on 150 somehow.
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"Moments of Godhood followed by LOOOOOOONG stretches of mediocrity" is pretty much how Thresh feels unless you're just really, really skilled at league, and even then if you don't particularly get him he can still fall short. Thresh both demands and rewards particular skill in him more than most if not all supports. I've had to tell myself to stop playing him no matter how great the great moments feel because I know I can't maintain that level of play.
In fact, I enabled 3 Vayne doublekills in lane...
feels pretty good!
We had trouble closing this one out because sieging against Azir is hard and our Kindred didn't see the Azir turret and dove. Still very solid; completely crushed them in lane.
Zyra feels pick or ban to me.
I just about got there this morning. Longest match of League I've had in a very long time. Highlights were the murder machine Kha'zix (turns out you can foil that by hanging out near him at half health, watching for the jump, then slamming down your ult and hitting Zhonya's while Jinx and Talon vaporize him) and the jungle Yi who was constantly bitching about Jinx taking "his" CS. I love junglers who don't get that they're a 4, and the ADC is a 1.
Oh, and there was so much chasing of Singed. People never learn.
what on earth happened between 39:00 and 40:00 hahaha
I am not convinced she's super-high skillcap any more. She's fragile before sightstone, but not the worst, and then often a Rylai's and/or BoC tanks her up. The fact that you get all these free seeds, and you don't even have to put your skillshots right on top of the seeds for them to turn into plants, means that you can essentially just Q wherever, vaguely close to the enemy, and then you will make two plants and they will attack the adc a few times and proc thunderlords and bam half the adc's health is gone.
Land an E-Q at lvl 2 and you can get first blood often. You also usually win 2v2s (unless they start by you instantly exploding) because of the plant damage. In teamfights, you just kinda E dangerous people, plot down ult, make some plants, whatever. If your team doesn't do well, you often have the most damage on the team; if they do do well, you hopefully have turned your adc into someone who does more damage than you.
I'm enjoying playing her a lot! Also I always love playing a support with good waveclear. You can contribute significantly to tower defense or to a pushing effort.
Got them 5v4 at Baron, then we took Baron, 2 towers, and an inhib. Of course, people stuck around in their base after they started respawning, they died, and the game stretched on for another 15 minutes.
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Anyone who tries to make you stop playing that twirling piece of Demacian man-meat is a bad person. You do you, boo.
You get the lost LP back in a game or two because it doesn't impact your MMR.
I dodge all the time, and will continue to do so. Dodging and eating a 5 or even 30 min wait time is far superior than playing a game with people bickering from the get go.
Elise feels very good on Rift right now to me. I suppose mileage may vary, but she's my go-to AP jungler if I need one.
Tank also seems to work fairly well if you just wanna skitter around everywhere and not die.
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