Timm is known as an animation guy, and there might be an unwillingness to let animated guys hop to live-action, as that doesn't always work (see: John Carter). Or maybe he just flat-out doesn't want to do it.
Much as I think DC has botched things I don't think there's a big conspiracy theory here.
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I just love that in 1999 Marvel Comics went to their editing room and said "hey Kevin? You want to go up to Vancouver for a few weeks and see what Fox is up to and make sure they're not fucking up too bad?" and it's taken Warner until now to figure out that might have been a good idea.
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From what I understood Johns was brought onto the GL movie as a script cleanup at the last minute by Diane Nelson, who currently runs DC Entertainment (and needs to hella not be there anymore). It was not only to work the script (he gave the ending apparently) but also to put her person in the room because it's all corporate espionage stab you in the back with a Bic type thing.
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Yeah, I guess my statement about DC would be under the assumption that their working environment is on par with Marvel.
I mean neither of the big two are perfect, but I feel like Marvel's put out better comics over the years as well. (for the most part)
From an outsiders point of view, GL wasn't that bad; I thought that Ryan looked good as the charactr, the special effects were on point and it presented an interesting premise in the form of heroes empowered by their will and imagination to defend the universe.
What it screwed the pooch on was parallax; putting aside how completely unnecessary he was for an entry level movie to a franchise it's infuriating that DC failed to learn from FF4: rise of the silver surfer that evil space clouds do not for good movie villains make, even when they inexplicably make the green lanterns powers not work.
A better move (and one which could have made for a much more relatable, human story) would have been an exploration of how how Hal and Hector dealt with their father issues and coming into superhuman powers.
Also: saving the space stuff for a sequel and focusing on just whats going on on earth.
From what I understood Johns was brought onto the GL movie as a script cleanup at the last minute by Diane Nelson, who currently runs DC Entertainment (and needs to hella not be there anymore). It was not only to work the script (he gave the ending apparently) but also to put her person in the room because it's all corporate espionage stab you in the back with a Bic type thing.
And WB is apparently STILL full of weird fiefdoms that make pointless restrictions on each other. The "Bat-embargo" of JLU lives on in Supergirl, which apparently can't cast a Superman and has to restrict him to being seen in shadows or in text message conversations with Supergirl. Yes, it's as awkward as it sounds.
From what I understood Johns was brought onto the GL movie as a script cleanup at the last minute by Diane Nelson, who currently runs DC Entertainment (and needs to hella not be there anymore). It was not only to work the script (he gave the ending apparently) but also to put her person in the room because it's all corporate espionage stab you in the back with a Bic type thing.
And WB is apparently STILL full of weird fiefdoms that make pointless restrictions on each other. The "Bat-embargo" of JLU lives on in Supergirl, which apparently can't cast a Superman and has to restrict him to being seen in shadows or in text message conversations with Supergirl. Yes, it's as awkward as it sounds.
Jesus christ, the more I hear about WB's fractious BS the more I can't help but be reminded of Game of thrones, and how they desperatley need an Aegon Targaryen to unite the 7 kingdoms.
Didn't Geoff Johns have a big hand in Hal Jordan being the Green Lantern in that movie? At that time, Justice League was the only mainstream exposure GL got and they had John Stewart. A lot of people were confused about Ryan Reynolds being cast as GL because they thought GL was a black guy.
Also, Bruce Timm pretty much proved that he's way better than Geoff Johns since he developed the animated Green Lantern show with Giancarlo Volpe, and that show was a million times better than the movie.
Didn't Geoff Johns have a big hand in Hal Jordan being the Green Lantern in that movie? At that time, Justice League was the only mainstream exposure GL got and they had John Stewart. A lot of people were confused about Ryan Reynolds being cast as GL because they thought GL was a black guy.
Also, Bruce Timm pretty much proved that he's way better than Geoff Johns since he developed the animated Green Lantern show with Giancarlo Volpe, and that show was a million times better than the movie.
If you've watched the GL film (and read any GL comics) it's very easy to understand why they went with Hal. The film was loaded with fan service to the point of its detriment, and Hal is the comic book GL fan favorite.
It would be shocking to make the movie they made and have it be anyone but Hal. Completely counter intuitive.
But like I said, the level of fan servicey shit going in that film dragged it down so I'm not saying these were good choices, merely obvious ones given their raison d'être.
From what I understood Johns was brought onto the GL movie as a script cleanup at the last minute by Diane Nelson, who currently runs DC Entertainment (and needs to hella not be there anymore). It was not only to work the script (he gave the ending apparently) but also to put her person in the room because it's all corporate espionage stab you in the back with a Bic type thing.
And WB is apparently STILL full of weird fiefdoms that make pointless restrictions on each other. The "Bat-embargo" of JLU lives on in Supergirl, which apparently can't cast a Superman and has to restrict him to being seen in shadows or in text message conversations with Supergirl. Yes, it's as awkward as it sounds.
So they have an organizational structure like Microsoft.
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I believe I read that the reasons dini and time don't do more with live action things js cuz they can't due to some union or guild membership thing.
Would love to hear from you guys your top choices for animated movies. I've seen one or two, can't remember which. Haven't watched a lot of the shows other than Batman when I was a kid. Tried Justice League cartoon last year, wasn't too into it. Enjoyed the Green Lantern CG show from a couple years ago, though still wouldn't say I loved it.
Would love to hear from you guys your top choices for animated movies. I've seen one or two, can't remember which. Haven't watched a lot of the shows other than Batman when I was a kid. Tried Justice League cartoon last year, wasn't too into it. Enjoyed the Green Lantern CG show from a couple years ago, though still wouldn't say I loved it.
For TV shows, watch Young Justice. Both seasons are up on Netflix in the US now and it's great. The second seasons does have some flaws as a result of them needing to rush the plot in an attempt to stave off cancellation (they failed), but the series as a whole is very good.
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Mask of the Phantasm
Return of the Joker
Wonder Woman
Gods and Monsters
Justice League: New Frontier
Superman vs. the Elite
Under the Red Hood
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights
Crisis on Two Earths
Some of the shorts are also pretty good.
As for the shows, even though they weren't really made to be part of a universe, there's still continuity so it's better to watch them in order. Start with the first three seasons of Batman: The Animated Series, Mask of the Phantasm and Mr. Freeze movies, then the first season of Superman: The Animated Series, and then Superman and the fourth season of Batman together. Then Batman Beyond, and Static Shock and Justice League together.
I found the new Teen Titans one with Damien awful trash.
Other than that, the DC ones are usually good.
Ya I was looking so forward to TT vs JL, but I shut that off about 5-10 minutes into the un-ending dance competition/montage to fall out boy clone music
I found the new Teen Titans one with Damien awful trash.
Other than that, the DC ones are usually good.
Ya I was looking so forward to TT vs JL, but I shut that off about 5-10 minutes into the un-ending dance competition/montage to fall out boy clone music
Ha, that was the exact same scene I wanted to give up on. I'm a sadist and watched it all, you didn't miss anything but kids going toe to toe with Wonder Woman.
I found the new Teen Titans one with Damien awful trash.
Other than that, the DC ones are usually good.
Ya I was looking so forward to TT vs JL, but I shut that off about 5-10 minutes into the un-ending dance competition/montage to fall out boy clone music
Ha, that was the exact same scene I wanted to give up on. I'm a sadist and watched it all, you didn't miss anything but kids going toe to toe with Wonder Woman.
Would love to hear from you guys your top choices for animated movies. I've seen one or two, can't remember which. Haven't watched a lot of the shows other than Batman when I was a kid. Tried Justice League cartoon last year, wasn't too into it. Enjoyed the Green Lantern CG show from a couple years ago, though still wouldn't say I loved it.
Batman: mask of the phantasm is good because it examines Bruce's early years as Batman and the objective choices he makes regarding what his life is going to be as a vigilante.
Under the red hood is fantastic, since it focuses on the ideals of the character.
Batman beyond is great all the way through (terry is way more intereting to me as batman then bruce), and it's one movie "return of the joker" is probably one of my favorites.
Superman doomsday is interesting not just as a microcosm of the death and return of superman arc, but also because it shows how integral Clark's upbringing is to who he is and what his values are.
Superman vs. the elite is another one that is interesting to watch, as it examines his "no killing" policy.
I'll agree that Superman: Doomsday is seriously underrated -- it took the crazy complicated death and rebirth of Superman arc and turned it into something with an actually good plot. And it made cat petting into the most tense thing ever.
And Superman vs. The Elite, despite that spoiler of a title, is a much better rumination on who Superman is and how he fits in a complex, post 9-11 society than anything Zack Snyder could ever come up with.
The single Wonder Woman animated move is great too.
And don't forget Justice League: Gods and Monsters which made the big three dark n' gritty yet made them compelling. Bruce Timm did great stuff.
But yeah, the direct-to-video output has been waaaaay hit or miss, though leaning much more to miss on all the New 52 stuff. Though hopefully that mandate's going away now that we're getting Killing Joke.
Of the more recent, so called "DC Universe Animated Original Movies"
Superman: Doomsday
Justice League: The New Frontier (not seen it)
Batman: Gotham Knight Wonder Woman
Green Lantern: First Flight
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies
Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
Batman: Under the Red Hood
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse
All-Star Superman
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights Batman: Year One
Justice League: Doom
Superman vs. The Elite
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
Superman: Unbound (not seen it) Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox
Justice League: War Son of Batman Batman: Assault on Arkham
Justice League: Throne of Atlantis Batman vs. Robin
Justice League: Gods and Monsters Batman: Bad Blood
Justice League vs. Teen Titans (only one ive genuinely disliked)
And Superman vs. The Elite, despite that spoiler of a title, is a much better rumination on who Superman is and how he fits in a complex, post 9-11 society than anything Zack Snyder could ever come up with.
Superman vs the elite is an uncritical cop out of a film with the worst deus ex since superman himself. It's really not good.
Back on topic (DC at least), New Frontier is based on an excellent comic series, and Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman movies.
Oh, and All-Star Superman is an adaptation of a really great comic.
I haven't seen Mask of the Phantasm since I was, like... eleven years old
But All-Star is so close to the comic, that one should really, really just read the comic
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Gods and Monsters is good, War was fairly solid but a bit one note, Flashpoint Paradox I couldn't get into, I really liked the Justice League Flash and the movie Flash was a different critter.
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Yes, I am wary as well, since early reactions to Batman V Superman were also positive. At least Comicsalliance made sure to check that these appear to be real people making these tweets.
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Dini hasn't been in-house at WB for years.
Timm is known as an animation guy, and there might be an unwillingness to let animated guys hop to live-action, as that doesn't always work (see: John Carter). Or maybe he just flat-out doesn't want to do it.
Much as I think DC has botched things I don't think there's a big conspiracy theory here.
I mean neither of the big two are perfect, but I feel like Marvel's put out better comics over the years as well. (for the most part)
What it screwed the pooch on was parallax; putting aside how completely unnecessary he was for an entry level movie to a franchise it's infuriating that DC failed to learn from FF4: rise of the silver surfer that evil space clouds do not for good movie villains make, even when they inexplicably make the green lanterns powers not work.
A better move (and one which could have made for a much more relatable, human story) would have been an exploration of how how Hal and Hector dealt with their father issues and coming into superhuman powers.
Also: saving the space stuff for a sequel and focusing on just whats going on on earth.
And WB is apparently STILL full of weird fiefdoms that make pointless restrictions on each other. The "Bat-embargo" of JLU lives on in Supergirl, which apparently can't cast a Superman and has to restrict him to being seen in shadows or in text message conversations with Supergirl. Yes, it's as awkward as it sounds.
Jesus christ, the more I hear about WB's fractious BS the more I can't help but be reminded of Game of thrones, and how they desperatley need an Aegon Targaryen to unite the 7 kingdoms.
Also, Bruce Timm pretty much proved that he's way better than Geoff Johns since he developed the animated Green Lantern show with Giancarlo Volpe, and that show was a million times better than the movie.
If you've watched the GL film (and read any GL comics) it's very easy to understand why they went with Hal. The film was loaded with fan service to the point of its detriment, and Hal is the comic book GL fan favorite.
It would be shocking to make the movie they made and have it be anyone but Hal. Completely counter intuitive.
But like I said, the level of fan servicey shit going in that film dragged it down so I'm not saying these were good choices, merely obvious ones given their raison d'être.
It used to be fairly equal, nowadays DC Comics is a shit show who is losing talent and people stay away from for various reasons.
So they have an organizational structure like Microsoft.
Justice League: War
Justice League: Gods and Monsters
Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox
I've heard Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman: Under the Red Hood are fantastic.
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For TV shows, watch Young Justice. Both seasons are up on Netflix in the US now and it's great. The second seasons does have some flaws as a result of them needing to rush the plot in an attempt to stave off cancellation (they failed), but the series as a whole is very good.
Just rewatch BTAS
Can verify Under the Red Hood is super good ( killer soundtrack, and I get weepy at the ending everytime)
edit: seriously that soundtrack is so good
Mask of the Phantasm
Return of the Joker
Wonder Woman
Gods and Monsters
Justice League: New Frontier
Superman vs. the Elite
Under the Red Hood
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights
Crisis on Two Earths
Some of the shorts are also pretty good.
As for the shows, even though they weren't really made to be part of a universe, there's still continuity so it's better to watch them in order. Start with the first three seasons of Batman: The Animated Series, Mask of the Phantasm and Mr. Freeze movies, then the first season of Superman: The Animated Series, and then Superman and the fourth season of Batman together. Then Batman Beyond, and Static Shock and Justice League together.
Other than that, the DC ones are usually good.
Ya I was looking so forward to TT vs JL, but I shut that off about 5-10 minutes into the un-ending dance competition/montage to fall out boy clone music
Ha, that was the exact same scene I wanted to give up on. I'm a sadist and watched it all, you didn't miss anything but kids going toe to toe with Wonder Woman.
Seriously how long does that montage go on for
Batman: mask of the phantasm is good because it examines Bruce's early years as Batman and the objective choices he makes regarding what his life is going to be as a vigilante.
Under the red hood is fantastic, since it focuses on the ideals of the character.
Batman beyond is great all the way through (terry is way more intereting to me as batman then bruce), and it's one movie "return of the joker" is probably one of my favorites.
Superman doomsday is interesting not just as a microcosm of the death and return of superman arc, but also because it shows how integral Clark's upbringing is to who he is and what his values are.
Superman vs. the elite is another one that is interesting to watch, as it examines his "no killing" policy.
And Superman vs. The Elite, despite that spoiler of a title, is a much better rumination on who Superman is and how he fits in a complex, post 9-11 society than anything Zack Snyder could ever come up with.
The single Wonder Woman animated move is great too.
And don't forget Justice League: Gods and Monsters which made the big three dark n' gritty yet made them compelling. Bruce Timm did great stuff.
But yeah, the direct-to-video output has been waaaaay hit or miss, though leaning much more to miss on all the New 52 stuff. Though hopefully that mandate's going away now that we're getting Killing Joke.
Of the more recent, so called "DC Universe Animated Original Movies"
Superman: Doomsday
Justice League: The New Frontier (not seen it)
Batman: Gotham Knight
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern: First Flight
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies
Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
Batman: Under the Red Hood
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse
All-Star Superman
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights
Batman: Year One
Justice League: Doom
Superman vs. The Elite
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
Superman: Unbound (not seen it)
Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox
Justice League: War
Son of Batman
Batman: Assault on Arkham
Justice League: Throne of Atlantis
Batman vs. Robin
Justice League: Gods and Monsters
Batman: Bad Blood
Justice League vs. Teen Titans (only one ive genuinely disliked)
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Dammit, now I actually want to see a Shakespearean stage production of Hulk.
Hulk vs. Thor has a fair bit of Shakespearean prose uttered by the various asgardians.
Superman vs the elite is an uncritical cop out of a film with the worst deus ex since superman himself. It's really not good.
Back on topic (DC at least), New Frontier is based on an excellent comic series, and Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman movies.
Oh, and All-Star Superman is an adaptation of a really great comic.
I haven't seen Mask of the Phantasm since I was, like... eleven years old
But All-Star is so close to the comic, that one should really, really just read the comic
Yes, I am wary as well, since early reactions to Batman V Superman were also positive. At least Comicsalliance made sure to check that these appear to be real people making these tweets.
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Exactly.
Fool me thrice...
Shame on Zoidberg?
Why I fear the ocean.
I buy the ticket again.