I really had a blast playing this in the Beta. I think I'm going to pick it up at some point, but I need to finish Uncharted 4 first. Also my wife's due date for our first kid is in like two weeks, so my time for games is going to diminish greatly. Though I have thought that Overwatch would probably be a great game to play in short spurts which is all I'll be doing soon.
Zenyatta is probably my favorite support character. I like using the balance between the harmony and discord orbs, my only gripe is that the guy is made of tissue and he feels really slow.
Zenyatta is probably my favorite support character. I like using the balance between the harmony and discord orbs, my only gripe is that the guy is made of tissue and he feels really slow.
I love playing him with a Symmetra on my team for that reason. You'd think that 25 hp wouldn't make that much difference but it seriously makes the world, especially because it joins the rest of his armor pool and recharges with it.
i think the most helpful mei strat i read is that her ice cocoon negates zen's discord orb
saved my bacon many a time in the last couple of games
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the problem with zenyatta is that he dies in a single bodyshot from widowmaker
and typically people are like "man just don't be in widowmaker's sightline" which is a pretty ridiculous thing to suggest about a hero whose functionality is contingent on actually maintaining line of sight with the enemy
dude's not Mercy, if you're not putting rounds downrange you might as well just switch
so yeah, I only play zenyatta while there isn't a sniper, but he's a blast when you're not getting completely shut down
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Zenyatta with Symmetra shields and Torbjorn armor is actually kinda terrifying.
the problem with zenyatta is that he dies in a single bodyshot from widowmaker
and typically people are like "man just don't be in widowmaker's sightline" which is a pretty ridiculous thing to suggest about a hero whose functionality is contingent on actually maintaining line of sight with the enemy
dude's not Mercy, if you're not putting rounds downrange you might as well just switch
so yeah, I only play zenyatta while there isn't a sniper, but he's a blast when you're not getting completely shut down
Also "stay out of widowmaker's sightline" in general is not really useful advice. Yeah, always stay out of the sightline of a hyper mobile character with a grappling hook while also being useful to your team on the offense or defense. Good luck with that!
Coming from TF2, Widowmaker seems kind of insane. The sniper in TF2 shoots and charges slooooooooooooooooowly, has to unscope after every shot, and his non-sniping secondary weapon might as well be a tickle gun. Widowmaker shoots fast, doesn't leave scope between shots, charges up her shots twice as fast, and her rifle is good unscoped as well. Even I can feel like I'm contributing with her. It's a weird adjustment and I shudder to think what someone who's actually a good sniper could do with her.
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Coming from TF2, Widowmaker seems kind of insane. The sniper in TF2 shoots and charges slooooooooooooooooowly, has to unscope after every shot, and his non-sniping secondary weapon might as well be a tickle gun. Widowmaker shoots fast, doesn't leave scope between shots, charges up her shots twice as fast, and her rifle is good unscoped as well. Even I can feel like I'm contributing with her. It's a weird adjustment and I shudder to think what someone who's actually a good sniper could do with her.
the only thing the TF2 sniper has on her is that his gun can eventually kill any character from full health
I always liked playing medic in tf2, but I've only barely played mercy.
I kind of want to wait for the average player skill to go up a bit, she's so dependent on having a decent team to play behind.
Whereas with Lucio you can just kinda stay vaguely near your team and mostly do your own thing.
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lucio also organically generates teamwork in even the most horrendous pubs because
A) Everyone wants that speed boost from spawn People know that if they stay near Lucio they WILL be healed, whereas with Mercy it's sort of a crapshoot
Every time I try to play Mercy, it seems I have a team that doesn't understand that having your Mercy constantly get flanked and murdered is not conducive to a good time. So I switch to Torbjorn and hammer my turret to POTG while still losing.
Every time I play Mercy, I end up flying to a teammate going into a precarious situation, only to have them die as soon as I get there leaving me with a cooldown on my fly away ability.
Had a fun potg as Reinhardt just now, missed my charge, but ended up behind enemy lines....ult + hammer = 4(?) kills, I think.
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I think every time I play this I find a new favorite character. First it was Lucio, then Junkrat, then Roadhog.
Now I'm all about that Torbjorn. At least for when I'm on defense. Got my first PotG just from standing in a corner, and I did the same exact thing one match later.
The general lists I see put Lucio, Mcree and Reindhart at the top and D.Va at the bottom. The middle bits are pretty much as you'd expect, generically good people like 76 and Mercy are above more niche picks like Symmetra or Zayra.
I feel like Symmetra has some design problems, especially compared to Torbjorn. The only reason to use her at all is her teleporter, which is definitely a good enough of a reason to use her, but it's not very fun or interactive. I think her gun should be more useful at long ranges at least, the altfire as it currently exists is utterly terrible. Detailed thoughts:
Sym and Torb have very similar toolsets: they both create turrets, they both buff their team's health. But while Torbjorn's also encouraged to get into the fray himself by his good weapon, direct combat buff ultimate and his need to collect scrap from corpses to keep the stream of bonus health going for his allies, Symmetra's gun is terrible except in close range ambushes with sentries or teammates distracting the enemy, her bonus health ability is just a boring set-it-and-forget-it buff that doesn't create interesting gameplay (as opposed to how Lucio needs to stay in the fray near his teammates for his passive aura to work, or Torbjorn needs to venture forward to collect scrap to keep replenishing the bonus health he provides with new armor packs), and her whole game plan revolves around charging her teleporter up and then defending it more than being an effective combatant or directly supporting her teammates while being in the fray in the way that Torbjorn, Lucio, Mercy and Zenyatta do. Her teleporter is of course super useful and enough of a reason to use her all by itself, but that seems to have left the designers thinking that because she has that powerful utility she has to be otherwise boring and weak in direct combat.
The general lists I see put Lucio, Mcree and Reindhart at the top and D.Va at the bottom. The middle bits are pretty much as you'd expect, generically good people like 76 and Mercy are above more niche picks like Symmetra or Zayra.
I long for D.va buffs. She's my new favorite character once I started playing her a bunch during release. I wish the Meka's guns were a bit better and that her 500 hp wasn't actually only 250 because 95% of hits on her are headshots. But I always get a ton of damage and eliminations as her, and she's super sticky if you're good with the Light Pistol which is secretly her best gun and I want a hero based around that pistol it's so good.
Lucio seems good enough to put on every team in every situation and make your team better. I've never said "Damn if only that Lucio was someone else" compared to every other hero which has situations which don't favor them. Which I'm not really sure how to fix balance wise, but might need a little poking at.
Symmetra's gun is incredible. Her orbs actually body immovable/slow stuff like Torbjorn's turret, bastion, and Reinhardt and it's generally incredible at holding chokepoints cause you can just fire giant orbs through them from a safe distance. Fully charged orbs are also like 20% ult charge per hit.
If you can be sneaky she's also a pretty strong flanker because people are kind of screwed if you ambush them and get a head start with her beam because of how it ramps up in damage the longer it's locked on, and if that doesn't work out and you die, you're still contributing to the team, particularly on defense, cause you're turrets and teleporters don't need you around to be awesome.
Generally there's no point in defending teleporter's in my experience... if junkrat or someone knows where it's at a few turrets isn't going to deter them, you're better off just putting it somewhere clever so the other team has to search for it, or generally just can't find it, that leaves your turrets for controlling useful space, and you for engaging people directly.
D.Va does good damage, has great mobility, and is incredibly sticky on points with even a little support from allies.
The problem is that she doesn't have any mobility while dealing damage. Removing or lowering the speed debuff while firing would solve pretty much all her problems.
She also generates a lot of Ult charge for the opposing team, which is Bad.
I emphatically disagree with D.Va being ranked last or even near the bottom. I think people just don't know how to play her and/or she's mis-categorized as a tank.
She wins pretty much any alleyway 1-on-1 and that's what she's for. She can take reapers and widowmakers out of the game entirely.
Most of the heroes are super good, and even some non-intuitive and non-standard team comps are really strong. So far when people are whining about who's playing what on our team it's less that we needed to switch to counter something and more that someone on the other team was being a god and it's leading to general frustration and folks are grasping at straws.
Symmetra's gun is incredible. Her orbs actually body immovable/slow stuff like Torbjorn's turret, bastion, and Reinhardt and it's generally incredible at holding chokepoints cause you can just fire giant orbs through them from a safe distance. Fully charged orbs are also like 20% ult charge per hit.
If you can be sneaky she's also a pretty strong flanker because people are kind of screwed if you ambush them and get a head start with her beam because of how it ramps up in damage the longer it's locked on, and if that doesn't work out and you die, you're still contributing to the team, particularly on defense, cause you're turrets and teleporters don't need you around to be awesome.
Generally there's no point in defending teleporter's in my experience... if junkrat or someone knows where it's at a few turrets isn't going to deter them, you're better off just putting it somewhere clever so the other team has to search for it, or generally just can't find it, that leaves your turrets for controlling useful space, and you for engaging people directly.
I strongly disagree about the orbs. They body immobile stuff about as much as every long ranged weapon does. Torbjorn's single spike fire mode for example. Reinhardt can sidestep them easily even with his shield up. The only place they are good is hallway chokepoints, and that's pretty situational and reliant on bad map design or dumb enemies not using flanking routes.
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aw man blizz why you do me like that
there are multiple beautiful bird-themed Egyptian gods right there
Kali, even on an Indian, is still problematic, but bah bah
I love playing him with a Symmetra on my team for that reason. You'd think that 25 hp wouldn't make that much difference but it seriously makes the world, especially because it joins the rest of his armor pool and recharges with it.
saved my bacon many a time in the last couple of games
and typically people are like "man just don't be in widowmaker's sightline" which is a pretty ridiculous thing to suggest about a hero whose functionality is contingent on actually maintaining line of sight with the enemy
dude's not Mercy, if you're not putting rounds downrange you might as well just switch
so yeah, I only play zenyatta while there isn't a sniper, but he's a blast when you're not getting completely shut down
Also "stay out of widowmaker's sightline" in general is not really useful advice. Yeah, always stay out of the sightline of a hyper mobile character with a grappling hook while also being useful to your team on the offense or defense. Good luck with that!
the only thing the TF2 sniper has on her is that his gun can eventually kill any character from full health
the same cannot be said of widowmaker
everyone else is either weak or situational or requires some sort of concession from the map, the objective, the opponent comp, or their own team
you can get into any quickplay with lucio and be guaranteed to make an impact
A good Mercy is incredibly useful
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But the siren call of D.Va is so strong oh my gosh.
didn't say she's not useful. she's just not as gdlk as Lucio, who can make his entire team functionally immortal for n-seconds
I kind of want to wait for the average player skill to go up a bit, she's so dependent on having a decent team to play behind.
Whereas with Lucio you can just kinda stay vaguely near your team and mostly do your own thing.
A) Everyone wants that speed boost from spawn
i'm churning about one of these every day now. Not sure if they're good, but they're fun to make.
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Now I'm all about that Torbjorn. At least for when I'm on defense. Got my first PotG just from standing in a corner, and I did the same exact thing one match later.
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I long for D.va buffs. She's my new favorite character once I started playing her a bunch during release. I wish the Meka's guns were a bit better and that her 500 hp wasn't actually only 250 because 95% of hits on her are headshots. But I always get a ton of damage and eliminations as her, and she's super sticky if you're good with the Light Pistol which is secretly her best gun and I want a hero based around that pistol it's so good.
Lucio seems good enough to put on every team in every situation and make your team better. I've never said "Damn if only that Lucio was someone else" compared to every other hero which has situations which don't favor them. Which I'm not really sure how to fix balance wise, but might need a little poking at.
If you can be sneaky she's also a pretty strong flanker because people are kind of screwed if you ambush them and get a head start with her beam because of how it ramps up in damage the longer it's locked on, and if that doesn't work out and you die, you're still contributing to the team, particularly on defense, cause you're turrets and teleporters don't need you around to be awesome.
Generally there's no point in defending teleporter's in my experience... if junkrat or someone knows where it's at a few turrets isn't going to deter them, you're better off just putting it somewhere clever so the other team has to search for it, or generally just can't find it, that leaves your turrets for controlling useful space, and you for engaging people directly.
Edit: to balance him his heal aura should have a reduced or no effect on himself like the other 2 healers.
The problem is that she doesn't have any mobility while dealing damage. Removing or lowering the speed debuff while firing would solve pretty much all her problems.
She also generates a lot of Ult charge for the opposing team, which is Bad.
And all of a sudden I feel like there should be a Winston skin where he wears a tie.
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She wins pretty much any alleyway 1-on-1 and that's what she's for. She can take reapers and widowmakers out of the game entirely.
I strongly disagree about the orbs. They body immobile stuff about as much as every long ranged weapon does. Torbjorn's single spike fire mode for example. Reinhardt can sidestep them easily even with his shield up. The only place they are good is hallway chokepoints, and that's pretty situational and reliant on bad map design or dumb enemies not using flanking routes.
why would that be a head hitbox though
it's an armored canopy, you're not hitting Dva's actual head