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It only took Abbadon 13 times to finally beat Cadia.
And even then, a techpriest threw a tantrum and blew the planet up anyway.
Cadia wasn't the goal of the previous Black Crusades. They all had a goal and were achieved. Like, the 12th Black Crusade was aimed at the Gothic sector to capture the Blackstone Fortresses, of which he took two. The 1st Black Crusade was entirely to gain the daemon sword Drach'nyen.
So it only took him one to beat Cadia.
Remember, Chaos always wins.
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
Abaddon will never be truly cool until he gets a giant chaos chimera like Archaon.
Honestly, the daemonhorse pre-Age of Sigmar Dorghar is cooler.
"The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
I'm just happy Games Workshop is finally coming to an understanding of how bat-style wings are supposed to look and function. Some of the older models with wings like that, vargheists for example, are really tragic looking.
Some of that is the style it's painted in, I think. A lot of their new stuff looks way too busy and difficult to parse until they get into people's hands and you start seeing photos of some more subdued paintjobs on the internet.
I love the over ornate and ridiculous style of the Chaos models in TW, for some reason that particular model has just tipped over a point where my eyes can't pick stuff out because it's so busy
Holy shit Archaon, calm down with your titles. "Archaon, the Everchosen, the Lord of the End Times, the Exalted Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse." I think we get the point dude.
Lord_AsmodeusgoeticSobriquet:Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered Userregular
"Archaon, that one Everchosen they didn't abandon after he failed 9 times for no good reason" is probably an appropriate title. And the whole "End Times is what should have happened when we tried to destroy the setting the last time" thing is one of the thing that bothers me most about it, besides it destroying one of my favorite fantasy universes as an ongoing thing. A shame to see a setting destroyed due to a combination of bad business direction and a weird obsession the creative heads seemed to have with smashing it.
On actual Total War discussion I've been playing Skarsnik and I find him to be pretty hard so far. I love the Goblin focus over Orcs but it does present challenges, especially versus Dwarfs who have been my main opponents so far, have to learn to play like a Goblin, sneaky and underhanded. Never fight a fair fight when you can crush much weaker enemies or drown your enemies in bodies instead!
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
"Archaon, that one Everchosen they didn't abandon after he failed 9 times for no good reason" is probably an appropriate title.
Look. If you take the title "Everchosen" it's a for life appointment. It's not "Temporarily chosen" after all. If someone else wants to be the warlord of chaos they can take it from your cold dead hands. So far nobody has managed to put Archaeon in the ground, so he's still da baws.
On actual Total War discussion I've been playing Skarsnik and I find him to be pretty hard so far. I love the Goblin focus over Orcs but it does present challenges, especially versus Dwarfs who have been my main opponents so far, have to learn to play like a Goblin, sneaky and underhanded. Never fight a fair fight when you can crush much weaker enemies or drown your enemies in bodies instead!
I find that my most important "warparty" early on are my 4 Sneak regiments; 2 Nightgoblins and 2 Nasty skulkers.
They start by clearing out enemy warmachines and then crash into the enemy archers. Squigs provide additional flanking power.
Later on you add monstrous units (giants, arachnaroks, trolls) and catapults (taking out their really high value units).
Personally I found Skarsnik to be a pretty easy campaign since you can field about three times as many armies as your neighbours as long as they contain mostly goblins. That's not even counting the waaghs.
"The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
Doesn't killing everyone and destroying universes reduce the amount of chaos in existence?
Yes, which is why Slaneesh was opposed to the end times and mysteriously vanished sometime between the destruction of the world and the creation of the new one.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
Doesn't killing everyone and destroying universes reduce the amount of chaos in existence?
It all gets recycled for another go in the eternal conflict.
I can't read the phrase "another go" in the context of Warhammer without thinking of this quote:
Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!
What's scary is that Relic's voice-over work for the Dawn of War games has been so full of character and effective at breathing life into the units, that I could've sworn that quote was used in one of the games because I can hear the generic 'boyz' voice saying that in my head.
Doesn't killing everyone and destroying universes reduce the amount of chaos in existence?
It is in the nature of Chaos and the 4 Gods to destroy itself/themselves. Khorne can't stop killing but needs people alive for him to kill them- Nurgle's power depends on people suffering but they'll die for his illnesses eventually regardless- Slaanesh can't plan for the long haul due to being excess incarnate- and Tzeencth can never actually achieve his master plan because that would lead to an end of scheming itself.
@As for the Archaon model, it looks better in person when you can actually make out the detail. It's BIG too.
I am super hyped. Lizardmen look so cool! I'm not sure if I'm more excited for them or Skaven. Skaven I like more, but Lizardmen are gonna look so cool in action!
Also I have completed my Empire game. Well, sort of. I have united the Empire and stopped Chaos. I still have to kill the Warherd of Chaos, but they refuse to leave Norsca, so it kind of feels like I've completed that part in spirit. I mean, I could spend like... thirty turns slowly hunting them through Norsca while fending off the tribes there and spamming Witch Hunters to hopefully block them. But that sounds less like fun and more like busy work.
That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
I'm beginning to wonder if this is the only corner of the internet that likes Total Warhammer. Looking at the comment threads and forum posts elsewhere, people hate this series. I just don't get it.
I'm beginning to wonder if this is the only corner of the internet that likes Total Warhammer. Looking at the comment threads and forum posts elsewhere, people hate this series. I just don't get it.
It got outstanding reviews both critically and on steam. Lots of people like it.
I'm beginning to wonder if this is the only corner of the internet that likes Total Warhammer. Looking at the comment threads and forum posts elsewhere, people hate this series. I just don't get it.
It's the collision between the grognardiest of grognards. On one side we have Warhammer fans. On the other we have historical warfare fans.
That there are vocal critics on both sides was inevitable.
In terms of legitimate critique:
1. Army running isn't particulary fun. I wish it was possible to design fast flying/cavalry armies to run down artillery laden siege armies. But no.
2. While gorgeous the battlefields are not quite as tactically interesting as older warhammer titles. No river crossings, no big hills or mountain tops, nowhere that elite troops can put their quality to use except siege battles (which are flawed in their own way since it's very hard to leverage the advantage of ranged units). Shogun 2 had far more interesting siege and field battles in terms of tactical terrain (in terms of units however it sucked since the differences between the various sides were marginal and strategicly it was a mess).
Warhammers strength are its interesting units, its visual galore and its varied factions.
Overall IMHO it's the best Total War title. Certainly better than Rome 2, Attila or Empire.
"The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
Don't forget the historical total war fans who are angry about fantasy games currently being their main focus.
Once they announce what era they are working on right now, those people hopefully quiet down.
and I mean, come on, vampire armies? Goblins riding giant spiders? Gryphon knights? How can you hate fantasy when it's that awesome?
Also, the same team that worked on Attila immediately went from Attila to the new historical game, Total War: Warhammer was made by a different team. (There's a historical team and fantasy team of equal sizes)
They've been pretty explicit that the historical title is in development but there were a lot of angry people when the trailer for Warhammer 2 wasn't a historical game.
I hope they find a way to fix the annoying chase game you play with random armies. With the underway and so on sometimes it's so frustrating especially when enemy armies get past you and sack towns and still move out of range.
Yeah, the game is selling incredibly well as is all of the DLC. These forums do a better job than most in avoiding the downward tailspin of negativity that affects so many other forums and comment sections. If it's popular, I have to hate it!
Like, most of the negativity I see is from people who are still pissed off about horse armor and DLC existing at all. I wish I had the time to explain to all of them that they loved $30 expansion packs back in the day, inflation exists, and none of those $30 expansion packs were giving you two entirely new races and unit rosters. Any time an RTS expansion added one race I was fucking jazzed, that was rare!
Fiatil on
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FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
I mean, I love history. That's why I started playing TW. I'm not as big a fan of high fantasy or whatever you'd call Warhammer, but it's an interesting universe and they made a game that was real fun out of it. I don't see the issue, but there's something about the internet that makes people need to have an issue at all times.
I assume a lot of is people simply upset that there was an announcement and it did not line up to their preferences. They're disappointed and not acting rationally. They're also probably afraid more money is gonna pour into TW: Warhammer, but the game sold super well so that stands to reason. They have two active teams though and as long as people buy them they'll keep selling historical titles.
And yeah, there are also a lot of people irritated at DLC. I have found them all pretty awesome and worth the cost though. Only big disappointment is I wish Beastmen had a few more units (particularly a new hero or two and monstrous unit more fitting than a giant) and I wish The Grim and the Grave had subfactions like the King and the Warlord DLC. Well, and a Strigoi Legendary Lord as opposed to another Necromancer, but that's personal preference.
Overall I've nearly put 200 hours into it and I've generally had a blast.
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Remember, Chaos always wins.
DLC that in please, Total War.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
Technically, the "Grimgor headbutts Archaon," invasion was retconned, it's what would've happened if the End Times didn't.
Also missing the Slaanesh head coming from between the legs.
MWO: Adamski
It took me a second too.
"Neat, it has a head for each chaos god... wait, where's Slaanesh's head?
...
Oh..... ooohhhhhhhhhh"
Maybe it's because 40K was my in to Warhammer, but that feels appropriate to me. I mean, look at the Imperium ships in Battlefleet Gothic.
To my mind, crazy amounts of detail and embellishment is part of the Warhammer brand.
On actual Total War discussion I've been playing Skarsnik and I find him to be pretty hard so far. I love the Goblin focus over Orcs but it does present challenges, especially versus Dwarfs who have been my main opponents so far, have to learn to play like a Goblin, sneaky and underhanded. Never fight a fair fight when you can crush much weaker enemies or drown your enemies in bodies instead!
Look. If you take the title "Everchosen" it's a for life appointment. It's not "Temporarily chosen" after all. If someone else wants to be the warlord of chaos they can take it from your cold dead hands. So far nobody has managed to put Archaeon in the ground, so he's still da baws.
I find that my most important "warparty" early on are my 4 Sneak regiments; 2 Nightgoblins and 2 Nasty skulkers.
They start by clearing out enemy warmachines and then crash into the enemy archers. Squigs provide additional flanking power.
Later on you add monstrous units (giants, arachnaroks, trolls) and catapults (taking out their really high value units).
Personally I found Skarsnik to be a pretty easy campaign since you can field about three times as many armies as your neighbours as long as they contain mostly goblins. That's not even counting the waaghs.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
It all gets recycled for another go in the eternal conflict.
Yes, which is why Slaneesh was opposed to the end times and mysteriously vanished sometime between the destruction of the world and the creation of the new one.
I can't read the phrase "another go" in the context of Warhammer without thinking of this quote:
What's scary is that Relic's voice-over work for the Dawn of War games has been so full of character and effective at breathing life into the units, that I could've sworn that quote was used in one of the games because I can hear the generic 'boyz' voice saying that in my head.
1) They are still on track for the extra large map.
2) Dark Elves are in the game.
Literally the only two things I cared about.
It is in the nature of Chaos and the 4 Gods to destroy itself/themselves. Khorne can't stop killing but needs people alive for him to kill them- Nurgle's power depends on people suffering but they'll die for his illnesses eventually regardless- Slaanesh can't plan for the long haul due to being excess incarnate- and Tzeencth can never actually achieve his master plan because that would lead to an end of scheming itself.
@As for the Archaon model, it looks better in person when you can actually make out the detail. It's BIG too.
Color me hyped
Also I have completed my Empire game. Well, sort of. I have united the Empire and stopped Chaos. I still have to kill the Warherd of Chaos, but they refuse to leave Norsca, so it kind of feels like I've completed that part in spirit. I mean, I could spend like... thirty turns slowly hunting them through Norsca while fending off the tribes there and spamming Witch Hunters to hopefully block them. But that sounds less like fun and more like busy work.
It got outstanding reviews both critically and on steam. Lots of people like it.
It's the collision between the grognardiest of grognards. On one side we have Warhammer fans. On the other we have historical warfare fans.
That there are vocal critics on both sides was inevitable.
In terms of legitimate critique:
1. Army running isn't particulary fun. I wish it was possible to design fast flying/cavalry armies to run down artillery laden siege armies. But no.
2. While gorgeous the battlefields are not quite as tactically interesting as older warhammer titles. No river crossings, no big hills or mountain tops, nowhere that elite troops can put their quality to use except siege battles (which are flawed in their own way since it's very hard to leverage the advantage of ranged units). Shogun 2 had far more interesting siege and field battles in terms of tactical terrain (in terms of units however it sucked since the differences between the various sides were marginal and strategicly it was a mess).
Warhammers strength are its interesting units, its visual galore and its varied factions.
Overall IMHO it's the best Total War title. Certainly better than Rome 2, Attila or Empire.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
Once they announce what era they are working on right now, those people hopefully quiet down.
They've been pretty explicit that the historical title is in development but there were a lot of angry people when the trailer for Warhammer 2 wasn't a historical game.
I hope they find a way to fix the annoying chase game you play with random armies. With the underway and so on sometimes it's so frustrating especially when enemy armies get past you and sack towns and still move out of range.
Like, most of the negativity I see is from people who are still pissed off about horse armor and DLC existing at all. I wish I had the time to explain to all of them that they loved $30 expansion packs back in the day, inflation exists, and none of those $30 expansion packs were giving you two entirely new races and unit rosters. Any time an RTS expansion added one race I was fucking jazzed, that was rare!
And yeah, there are also a lot of people irritated at DLC. I have found them all pretty awesome and worth the cost though. Only big disappointment is I wish Beastmen had a few more units (particularly a new hero or two and monstrous unit more fitting than a giant) and I wish The Grim and the Grave had subfactions like the King and the Warlord DLC. Well, and a Strigoi Legendary Lord as opposed to another Necromancer, but that's personal preference.
Overall I've nearly put 200 hours into it and I've generally had a blast.
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