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[Homestuck]: Turns out the ride NEVER ends

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    don't try to argue someone into seeing something they've decided they don't want to

    it's an extremely goosey move

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    That's not a thing.

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    it is absolutely a thing

    exhibit a being you, just now

    and it bugs the hell out of me when people do it

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Different people are absolutely allowed to have different limits on what they can tolerate in media

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    dapper hasn't actually said that this is past their limits, though

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Okay but that's not the point, the point is:don't try and force other people who have different identities to accept your own level of comfort with a piece of media

    You got super aggro about it! And I get it, I get real passionate about advocating for stuff I love

    But also: I don't expect everyone to love what I do and challenging their reasoning for doing so (like you did with kilroy) only serves to further alienate people from engaging with The Thing I Like

    In 2016 a fandom can be very intricately entangled with the thing itself and it can mean that advocacy of the thing is tricky

    Like say, with hamsteak

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    How was I aggro about it?

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    near as I can tell, this, and the brushing aside of a valid complaint
    cB557 wrote: »
    Is the homophobic stuff in early Homestuck a dealbreaker?

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    near as I can tell, this,
    cB557 wrote: »
    Is the homophobic stuff in early Homestuck a dealbreaker?
    I don't understand how this is aggro?
    and the brushing aside of a valid complaint
    and I'm not sure what this is referring to.

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    That's one episode out of like, fifty-two. The show is still a must-watch.

    Unfortunately, when a show has even one episode that throws around really shitty marginalizing and dehumanizing language, it tends to cast a fog over its surrounding media.

    The fact that the people behind a show even were okay with doing it once can make much of the rest of the show leave a bad taste in one's mouth, and make someone even feel shitty for continuing to watch it.

    I had a similar thing happen with a guy I was into on YouTube, GradeAunderA. I used to watch a bunch of his stuff.

    However at one point in one of his videos he makes fun of another YouTuber in the context of them having being very emotionally vulnerable after getting out of an abusive relationship with a very toxic person, and that seriously grossed me out. I've barely seen anything of his since then, and it will probably be a while before I regularly follow his work again, if I ever do.

    I take abuse extremely seriously, and anyone who makes light of it gets on my shit list pretty damn quick.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Someone said "this shitty thing is enough for me to write this off" and rather than trying to understand or accept their opinion you literally dismissed it by saying "that's only one episode, watch it anyway". Like, that's definitively trying to tell other people how to feel about something. And then when people tried to explain to you why that's shitty, you dug up a different example as if to "challenge" their point of view. Maybe that wasn't your intention but I'm having a hard time finding another reason for bringing up homophobic stuff in Homestuck.

    And, by the way, the answer to that is yes, it can be a dealbreaker. But not necessarily for the same people. The way that material is presented and the exact nature of it goes a long way toward determining whether it's something people are willing to put up with, and that line is a very personal thing that can vary from person to person and doesn't have to make sense to you. No one owes anyone any explanations for what they are and aren't okay with. If you want to try and understand their perspective, that's fine, but when you do it in a way that is not respecting that point of view and/or feels like you're trying to argue it, they're probably not going to be very inclined to speak with you about it.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Someone said "this shitty thing is enough for me to write this off" and rather than trying to understand or accept their opinion you literally dismissed it by saying "that's only one episode, watch it anyway".
    No, Speed brought up the episode. I was saying Dapper should try it, not Speed. Speed's already watched that show.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    I'm realizing that there may be some confusion on one point: I'm not saying that if you tried the show and didn't like it, that you have to keep watching until you like it or anysuch. Just that if you haven't watched it, you should give it a try because it's really good.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Hey cB557 you're being extremely dismissive of other peoples feelings and a huge goose about an extremely personal and subjective aspect of media

    Maybe step back and look at what you're saying instead of continuing to insist that what you said was fine

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Hey cB557 you're being extremely dismissive of other peoples feelings and a huge goose about an extremely personal and subjective aspect of media

    Maybe step back and look at what you're saying instead of continuing to insist that what you said was fine
    I have been doing so and I'm pretty sure it's that I've miscommunicated in some way as opposed to that.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    Hey cB557 you're being extremely dismissive of other peoples feelings and a huge goose about an extremely personal and subjective aspect of media

    Maybe step back and look at what you're saying instead of continuing to insist that what you said was fine
    I have been doing so and I'm pretty sure it's that I've miscommunicated in some way as opposed to that.

    Okay, it's good that you understand that. but the thing is you've made your case known and you keep pushing.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    People were saying I was being goosey and I disagreed.

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    BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    Getting defensive following criticism

    get a load of this human everyone

    Let's dogpile him

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    Getting defensive following criticism

    get a load of this human everyone

    Let's dogpile him

    people calmly explaining to someone why their behavior was not good ≠ dogpiling

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    BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    Getting defensive following criticism

    get a load of this human everyone

    Let's dogpile him

    people calmly explaining to someone why their behavior was not good ≠ dogpiling

    Disagree but I think I might change my mind if 5-10 others also calmly tell me that it's not dogpiling

    actually, genuinely would like to see that

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Y'all.

    Come on.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    Getting defensive following criticism

    get a load of this human everyone

    Let's dogpile him

    people calmly explaining to someone why their behavior was not good ≠ dogpiling

    Disagree but I think I might change my mind if 5-10 others also calmly tell me that it's not dogpiling

    actually, genuinely would like to see that

    I mean, it's not . No one was trying to score internet points or berate anybody for being wrong. It was a civilized discussion. Also it wasn't a string of replies to a single post, it was an actual conversation, which is another difference between a disagreement and a dogpile. Any instance where someone has an unpopular stance is not a dogpile, that would make discussion of anything nigh impossible

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    I think the point is officially across for both sides now. We're probably good here.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    So that Undyne, huh? And that Papyrus, what a character.

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    EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    Damn, with this many updates, I was hoping we finally were getting the epilogue.

    You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    So that Undyne, huh? And that Papyrus, what a character.

    He's more of a character set.

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    Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Awww

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    That is an incredibly good Rose

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Just realized the chief scientist in Stranger Things is named Dr Brenner.

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    Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Alpha Episode 1: Let Me Tell You About Bonus Episodes

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    As another person falls into the Homestuck fold, so too do the dark engines of LMTYAHS start again. Ashley is now joined by her friend and Totally Reprise co-host Molly to dive deep into the depths. They discuss what Molly has read so far, meet an Aimless Renegade, discuss just how cute baby Jade is and just when things pick up we are thrust into the world of The Midnight Crew.

    These episodes should come out on Tuesday for the foreseeable future.

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Undertale comic

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    That is clearly the way it happened.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Ms Dapper wrote: »
    Alpha Episode 1: Let Me Tell You About Bonus Episodes

    tumblr_inline_oc0jfa48ib1qdi3vj_540.gif
    As another person falls into the Homestuck fold, so too do the dark engines of LMTYAHS start again. Ashley is now joined by her friend and Totally Reprise co-host Molly to dive deep into the depths. They discuss what Molly has read so far, meet an Aimless Renegade, discuss just how cute baby Jade is and just when things pick up we are thrust into the world of The Midnight Crew.

    These episodes should come out on Tuesday for the foreseeable future.

    Ashley did a really good job on this ya'll

    almost makes me self conscious to post

    Episode 14: Let Me Tell You About Making Things Hapen

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    It's a Homestuck double-header today! Luke and Ashley barrel onward toward the end of Act 3, exploring John's love for his friends, the Aimless Renegade's crush on the Peregrine Mendicant, and Jack Noir's begrudging respect for John's dad. We also get some hints about the nature of Jade's future-sight, meet a few more trolls, and Ashley endorses my erstwhile OTP before everything rockets headlong into the end of Act 3.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Ms Dapper wrote: »
    Alpha Episode 1: Let Me Tell You About Bonus Episodes

    tumblr_inline_oc0jfa48ib1qdi3vj_540.gif
    As another person falls into the Homestuck fold, so too do the dark engines of LMTYAHS start again. Ashley is now joined by her friend and Totally Reprise co-host Molly to dive deep into the depths. They discuss what Molly has read so far, meet an Aimless Renegade, discuss just how cute baby Jade is and just when things pick up we are thrust into the world of The Midnight Crew.

    These episodes should come out on Tuesday for the foreseeable future.

    Ashley did a really good job on this ya'll

    almost makes me self conscious to post

    Episode 14: Let Me Tell You About Making Things Hapen

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    It's a Homestuck double-header today! Luke and Ashley barrel onward toward the end of Act 3, exploring John's love for his friends, the Aimless Renegade's crush on the Peregrine Mendicant, and Jack Noir's begrudging respect for John's dad. We also get some hints about the nature of Jade's future-sight, meet a few more trolls, and Ashley endorses my erstwhile OTP before everything rockets headlong into the end of Act 3.

    Multiple updates in one day? What is this, Homestuck?

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    I cracked up at "john and jade seem very brother and sisterly, I don't think they'd be a romantic thing"

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    "Height stuff kinda gets me" - Speed "Luke" Racer

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    masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    These are both very good episodes

    "Listen, you were promised lesbians, you'll get lesbians."
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