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Penny Arcade - Comic - Illiterati

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Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    identeregareidenteregare Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Tycho's reaction seems highly ironic when seen in the following light:

    1) Short-form fiction is a very well-established literary form.
    2) Comic books can be seen as an offshoot of short-form fiction.
    3) Tycho is the fictional alter-ego of a person who writes comics for a living.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Tycho has a thing against James Patterson, if I recall correctly.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    Since the newspost isn't up yet I went and googled "bookshots" for myself

    can someone please tell me what in all blue hell is going on in the top right corner of this page?

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    If he is making money on short fiction, more power to him. It isn't as bad as poetry, but it's also harder to make bank off of than novels (which are hardly easy money). I think this is one of those comics that shows the differences between Jerry and Tycho.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Tycho is far more of an elitist/purist than Jerry. If anything, Jerry likes to parody those attitudes, and Tycho is his favorite vehicle for doing so.

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    Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Butler wrote: »
    Since the newspost isn't up yet I went and googled "bookshots" for myself

    can someone please tell me what in all blue hell is going on in the top right corner of this page?


    He's offering a chance to plunder his booty for $10,000!

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
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    identeregareidenteregare Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Butler wrote: »
    Since the newspost isn't up yet I went and googled "bookshots" for myself

    can someone please tell me what in all blue hell is going on in the top right corner of this page?

    It's clearly an image of an elderly man dressed as a pirate. Hovering over the image indicates that it is a hyperlink to another webpage that concerns books targeted towards readers who read at a middle-school level (or, in all likelihood, middle-school students, since the adult segment of that demographic would be more than amply served by James Patterson's Bookshots™)

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    halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    So... Novellas?

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    DomovoiDomovoi Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Tycho has a thing against James Patterson, if I recall correctly.

    Isn't that Robert Pattinson?

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    Butler wrote: »
    Since the newspost isn't up yet I went and googled "bookshots" for myself

    can someone please tell me what in all blue hell is going on in the top right corner of this page?

    It's clearly an image of an elderly man dressed as a pirate. Hovering over the image indicates that it is a hyperlink to another webpage that concerns books targeted towards readers who read at a middle-school level (or, in all likelihood, middle-school students, since the adult segment of that demographic would be more than amply served by James Patterson's Bookshots™)

    Yes

    but why

    is the rum gone?

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I very much doubt Tycho takes issue with short stories and is more upset that James Patterson is being read and loved given this previous post of his:
    Tycho wrote:
    The description for Patterson’s Maximum Ride, Book One: The Angel Experiment suggests that “Max, Fang, Iggy, Nudge, the Gasman, and Angel are pretty normal kids - except that they’re 98 percent human, 2 percent bird.” Gabriel read this aloud from the site, and I must have hit my head on the corner of my desk when I was gripped by a black sleep, because when I woke up there was blood.

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    twmjrtwmjr Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    I think the issue is not with short stories but the intimation that the difference between short stories and longer form writing is "filler" (which these are described as being without).

    edit: and while Jerry's personal opinion might be exaggerated here for effect, there was definitely genuine indignation when he linked to this on twitter a few days ago. ;)

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    ShowsniShowsni Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    I very much doubt Tycho takes issue with short stories and is more upset that James Patterson is being read and loved given this previous post of his:
    Tycho wrote:
    The description for Patterson’s Maximum Ride, Book One: The Angel Experiment suggests that “Max, Fang, Iggy, Nudge, the Gasman, and Angel are pretty normal kids - except that they’re 98 percent human, 2 percent bird.” Gabriel read this aloud from the site, and I must have hit my head on the corner of my desk when I was gripped by a black sleep, because when I woke up there was blood.

    I read those Maximum Ride books, and they always struck me as very childish writing. Like, he writes down to children, rather than respecting their intelligence. Did anyone else get that feeling? And then one of the books randomly goes for a full environmental message, which is fine, but seemed to come pretty much out of nowhere and be pretty preachy.

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    KagatoACKagatoAC Registered User regular
    The real crime here is that its 5$ for a 150 or less page short story, thats a ridiculous price point. I didn't look but any further but I assume they probably want that for the digital versions as well.

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    I don't think 5 bucks for a good novella is bad.

    I would't pay 5 bucks for a James Patterson novella, though.

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    I think the cost/time equation is non-linear for books. I expect to pay about the same for any novel despite them running from 250-1000+ pages. Similarly, I don't expect short form prices to fall to zero.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Today's post is excellent as well.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Tycho's reaction seems highly ironic when seen in the following light:

    1) Short-form fiction is a very well-established literary form.
    2) Comic books can be seen as an offshoot of short-form fiction.
    3) Tycho is the fictional alter-ego of a person who writes comics for a living.

    Based on my own personal revulsion, I'm guessing Tycho is objecting to Bookshot(tm) as a branded phrase, not to short fiction in general.

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    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    I'm pretty conflicted about James Patterson. As a librarian, I am pretty bummed out that I've got two full shelves of his books that circulate until they fall apart while I'm sending crisp, untouched copies of Nick Harkaway novels to the booksale. I gather that he treats his stable of writers well, but that whole business model makes me uneasy. Especially since people like James Frey are already taking the idea and saying "How can we do that, but make it more skeevy and predatory?"

    Still, I can't get too mad at someone who gets millions of adults to pick up a book, especially when if they weren't reading Patterson they might not be reading anything.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    I love short stories and novellas, brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz.

    I just take umbrage with the amazingly ugly turn of phrase that is "bookshot."

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    T-DangerT-Danger Registered User regular
    I've never been entirely convinced James Patterson is a real human being. Besides the huge number of books he puts out each year, how does one man go from writing primarily crime novels to suddenly putting out romance books, young adult books, books for middle schoolers, and books about fucking golf players?

    Clearly he's really some kind of advanced supercomputer hidden deep in LB Books basement, designed to read market trends and automatically generate the perfect bestseller.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    T-Danger wrote: »
    I've never been entirely convinced James Patterson is a real human being. Besides the huge number of books he puts out each year, how does one man go from writing primarily crime novels to suddenly putting out romance books, young adult books, books for middle schoolers, and books about fucking golf players?

    Clearly he's really some kind of advanced supercomputer hidden deep in LB Books basement, designed to read market trends and automatically generate the perfect bestseller.

    pretty sure a lot of those are more "James Patterson Presents: [author]"

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    The imagery that "bookshot" conjures in my mind is: "I was rubbing myself vigorously, and then this book came out."

    Peace to fashion police, I wear my heart
    On my sleeve, let the runway start
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    Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    T-Danger wrote: »
    and books about fucking golf players?

    Question: Are these erotic novels?

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    T-Danger wrote: »
    I've never been entirely convinced James Patterson is a real human being. Besides the huge number of books he puts out each year, how does one man go from writing primarily crime novels to suddenly putting out romance books, young adult books, books for middle schoolers, and books about fucking golf players?

    Clearly he's really some kind of advanced supercomputer hidden deep in LB Books basement, designed to read market trends and automatically generate the perfect bestseller.

    pretty sure a lot of those are more "James Patterson Presents: [author]"

    Yup, most of "Patterson's" books are some amount of concept and outline work by Patterson proper then farmed out to a ghostwriter. Which is why anyone working at a bookstore will laugh at you if you come in saying you like Patterson and are looking for something similar (since each ghostwriter can vary wildly in style and quality).

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Something must be done to combine this awful "Bookshots" idea and LMFAO's pop classic, "Shots," a song which will echo across our generation.

    What is this I don't even.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    I'm pretty sure that James Patterson is no more a real person than Victor Appleton, Laura Lee Hope, et al. (Actually, looking at that article, there's a fair chance that there's an actual JP who occupies the same space as Edward Stratemeyer.)

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    The imagery that "bookshot" conjures in my mind is: "I was rubbing myself vigorously, and then this book came out."

    You didn't envision a literary bartender, pouring words and paper into a shaker, and then into shotglass-sized covers?

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    MarcinMNMarcinMN Registered User regular
    This is the only comic I found that mentioned Patterson in the past: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/01/13

    I was actually looking for this one, but once I found it I discovered it was about another author (still funny though): https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/09/30/sanderfuge

    "It's just as I've always said. We are being digested by an amoral universe."

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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    Cambiata wrote: »
    The imagery that "bookshot" conjures in my mind is: "I was rubbing myself vigorously, and then this book came out."
    "I'm not throwin' away my bookshot!"
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    ShowsniShowsni Registered User regular
    MarcinMN wrote: »
    This is the only comic I found that mentioned Patterson in the past: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/01/13

    I was actually looking for this one, but once I found it I discovered it was about another author (still funny though):
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    Maybe Tycho just doesn't like popular authors. Except of course for the Anita Blake books.

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    GDT1985GDT1985 Registered User regular
    I tried to force myself through the "Witch and Wizard" series. I think I made it three or four books in. I picked it up because the premise was interesting, but the writing is so bad. It's hard to describe. I only picked up the other books because I am loathe to leave a story unfinished. And on the off chance that it would get better.(It did not) I have a soft spot for YA fiction, but these are written very simply, rather insultingly so. The potential for something interesting is there but they don't even come close. YA faction does not have to be written down to a child's supposed level. I don't begrudge anyone for liking his books, but I don't think I will pick up anymore with Patterson's name attached.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    I can't put my bookshot down either. It's earned a permanent place on my hotkeys, right next to the Ocarina or Sail, respectively.

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    RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    I very much doubt Tycho takes issue with short stories and is more upset that James Patterson is being read and loved given this previous post of his:
    Tycho wrote:
    The description for Patterson’s Maximum Ride, Book One: The Angel Experiment suggests that “Max, Fang, Iggy, Nudge, the Gasman, and Angel are pretty normal kids - except that they’re 98 percent human, 2 percent bird.” Gabriel read this aloud from the site, and I must have hit my head on the corner of my desk when I was gripped by a black sleep, because when I woke up there was blood.

    That sounds like it could have been a prequel to The Lake House? It was about six kids who were half bird and half human who escaped from the laboratory that did the experiments on them. One of them was even named Max, I recall. The whole plot revolved around them laying low and then going back to bring an end to their captors before they could do any more harm.

    Its one of two Patterson books I've read (the other was one in the Alex Cross series). The Alex Cross one was decent. The Lake House though? Holy shit was it ever generic and terrible in places. Some of it was some real amateur hour bullshit, quite honestly.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Showsni wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    I very much doubt Tycho takes issue with short stories and is more upset that James Patterson is being read and loved given this previous post of his:
    Tycho wrote:
    The description for Patterson’s Maximum Ride, Book One: The Angel Experiment suggests that “Max, Fang, Iggy, Nudge, the Gasman, and Angel are pretty normal kids - except that they’re 98 percent human, 2 percent bird.” Gabriel read this aloud from the site, and I must have hit my head on the corner of my desk when I was gripped by a black sleep, because when I woke up there was blood.

    I read those Maximum Ride books, and they always struck me as very childish writing. Like, he writes down to children, rather than respecting their intelligence. Did anyone else get that feeling? And then one of the books randomly goes for a full environmental message, which is fine, but seemed to come pretty much out of nowhere and be pretty preachy.

    My wife felt the same way about Women's Murder Club and abandoned it midway through the second book. Looking at Wikipedia, he ostensibly wrote that not as YA fiction but for adults. So I think there's more to it than writing down to a younger audience.

    I read some of his stuff, most of it's mentioned already in the thread. I just... I can't muster that much hate, because it's been so long that an author has actually managed to interest me*, so his stuff just seems normal lately.

    *-The one exception is Kevin Hearne, who after repeated recommendations and a forced audiobook listen actually got me to break my personal rule against starting series that haven't been finished yet (because goddamn after having several authors in a row die or burn out on me in the middle of series I was enjoying, I started sympathizing with those book burning groups).

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    MarlonMarlon Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    I really enjoyed both Maximum ride and Witch and Wizard-In their manga adaptations. I didn't bother reading the originals but I liked Witch and Wizard enough to actually purchase the trilogy for my collection(fantastic art by Svetlana Chmakova helped that decision).

    That said bookshots, seriously? I thought that was just made up but it's actually real. Can't he just call them light novels like the other 99% of the population instead of sounding like an asshole? Oh in English they are called Novella. I learn something new everyday.

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    shadowysea07shadowysea07 Registered User regular
    blugh I hate that as well. It feels like a complete waste of time when an author either quits dies or whatever before a series can finish. Or in cases like hiatus x hiatus it goes on for forever :/

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    wallywestwallywest Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    The imagery that "bookshot" conjures in my mind is: "I was rubbing myself vigorously, and then this book came out."

    You didn't envision a literary bartender, pouring words and paper into a shaker, and then into shotglass-sized covers?

    I was thinking of some kind of drink recipe/origami book that taught you how to fold the pages into little shotglasses after you mixed the drinks.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    A shot everyone is given at the bar, and after you drink it you in unfold to read the menu.

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    VirtualVoltVirtualVolt Registered User regular
    I've only read one Patterson novel, and it was before I had ever heard of him being this insane crazy bookmill, and it was Zoo. I thought it was a really fun neat ideas, chock full of fun neat scenes, which was written and constructed poorly. Needless to say, I will not be picking up any Bookshots™.

    On a separate note, has anyone seen the "Zoo" TV series? It's on US Netflix and it is positively dreadful. Some of the most wooden acting and horrific special effects I've ever seen, no clue how it made it to market. Although to it's credit, it does mirror the book in terms of quality.

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