yeah, Trek has always had a fantastically psuedoscientific notion of evolution, by which all life eventually evolves toward sentience and from there into beings of pure energy with PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER.
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
Pretty sure it's just an up armored genetically engineered T-rex used as a mobile weapons platform. But not tied in with the Borg (who tend towards green glowy bits, instead of blue).
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Voth cybernetics, not Borg. In STO, the Voth specialize in terror weapons on the ground. They have several breeds of cybernetic dinosaurs (another is raptors with cloaks, you can see a few dead ones on the field there, there's also a carnotaurus that's basically a downscaled version of this guy) and mech walkers in addition to the regular infantry most factions have.
I always thought that instead of using the high tech future mobile holo emitter on the doctor, they should have instead used it to create Moriarty in the body of a Velociraptor.
yeah, Trek has always had a fantastically psuedoscientific notion of evolution, by which all life eventually evolves toward sentience and from there into beings of pure energy with PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER.
They covered this in a TNG episode. Everyone evolved similarly because of aliens, not pseudoscience.
Please describe the environmental conditions that might positively select for the trait "noncorporeal being of pure thought." For bonus points, indicate on what chromosome(s) this trait would be encoded.
Please describe the environmental conditions that might positively select for the trait "noncorporeal being of pure thought." For bonus points, indicate on what chromosome(s) this trait would be encoded.
Please describe the environmental conditions that might positively select for the trait "noncorporeal being of pure thought." For bonus points, indicate on what chromosome(s) this trait would be encoded.
Does it count that being an immortal being of pure thought would be totally rad?
yeah, Trek has always had a fantastically psuedoscientific notion of evolution, by which all life eventually evolves toward sentience and from there into beings of pure energy with PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER.
At least Quinn suggested that the Q's powers were technological in origin. That one episode in TNG where a species was randomly transforming was silly, though.
Please describe the environmental conditions that might positively select for the trait "noncorporeal being of pure thought." For bonus points, indicate on what chromosome(s) this trait would be encoded.
To be fair, there's nothing about evolution that requires DNA - just variation and reproduction. Once you're a post human society comprised of uploaded minds whole bunch of other selection pressures might come into play. Maybe writing yourself into the underlying fabric of the universe is the end game, as whilst the universe still exists you're not going to get any corruption of data. And with infinite time, anyone who doesn't do this has their lineage end.
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Please describe the environmental conditions that might positively select for the trait "noncorporeal being of pure thought." For bonus points, indicate on what chromosome(s) this trait would be encoded.
It didn't go that far, just described why so many species in the galaxy were humanoids. Essentially there was a millions or billions years old civilization of humanoid creatures who were basically alone except for possibly a few very, very alien species for thousands and thousands of years and decided "this fucking sucks" so they seeded a portion of the habitable worlds in the galaxy with life, or at least with genetic coding, that would in whatever species inherited it have at least one form that would evolve towards bipedal sapients (though evolving from different types of creatures) so future civilizations would have tons of similar species around when they emerged as space faring civilizations.
Admittedly I don't know exactly how you would guide evolution toward that point once you're gone, but I am not a member of an ancient precursor species. They're always doing crazy shit.
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Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
I've seen those before.
Me too:
(actually, the Thraddash are more like hippos. Angry hippos.)
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
I've seen those before.
Me too:
(actually, the Thraddash are more like hippos. Angry hippos.)
Hippos are always angry.
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Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
I've seen those before.
Me too:
(actually, the Thraddash are more like hippos. Angry hippos.)
Hippos are always angry.
Maybe they're angry because really, they're hungry...
Computer guess at what happens to a dinosaur if it evolved for 65 million years instead of dying out
Oh wow it's almost exactly like those aliens we're dealing with what are the odds
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
STO looked at the Voth, said, "That's ridiculous, how can we fix that?" and someone else said
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
I've seen those before.
Me too:
(actually, the Thraddash are more like hippos. Angry hippos.)
Hippos are always angry.
Maybe they're angry because really, they're hungry...
That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
WHY? I mean, really why does Star Trek need an TV-MA rating? Every time Trek has taken a swing in that direction it's been awful. From that ham fisted swearing scene in DS9 to the "oh shit" Data drops in Generations to that god awful Naked Now episode. None of it has been handled well and had generally detracted from the story. I pray they steer clear of the decon chamber.
WHY? I mean, really why does Star Trek need an TV-MA rating? Every time Trek has taken a swing in that direction it's been awful. From that ham fisted swearing scene in DS9 to the "oh shit" Data drops in Generations to that god awful Naked Now episode. None of it has been handled well and had generally detracted from the story. I pray they steer clear of the decon chamber.
Because not everything has to be family friendly? Frankly it's about time for Trek to step up for an adult feel. Whether they do it well is another thing altogether. IIRC Fuller originally wanted full on nudity and sex scenes ala HBO.
edit: I've actually read Trek novels which would pass for that rating with scenes like that, though not at HBO level so it wouldn't be a first for the franchise itself, only the live action portion.
Frankly it's about time for Trek to step up for an adult feel.
How? The last Star Trek TV show did that.
The captain torturing a person in one episode and not even as a moral dilemma of the episode was not the high point of the series.
It's not about just certain subjects, it's how it's made to be more mature. The Expanse is a great example of how to do espionage, war and politics at a mature level - the only series which comes close to that was Deep Space 9, and that is not as realistic as current mature shows depict those subjects. With exceptions.
I really hate this trend in fiction (and audiences) that dark, moody tales about betrayal, manipulation, and deliberate cruelty is 'adult' and optimistic tales about people acting like professionals, working together for a common good while striving to find common ground among themselves is somehow 'immature'. It's one of the most bullshit kinds of backwards labeling I've seen.
If you want dark, moody fiction, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Expanse, etc. are all there. Trek has never been, and I daresay should never be, like them.
I really hate this trend in fiction (and audiences) that dark, moody tales about betrayal, manipulation, and deliberate cruelty is 'adult' and optimistic tales about people acting like professionals, working together for a common good while striving to find common ground among themselves is somehow 'immature'. It's one of the most bullshit kinds of backwards labeling I've seen.
If you want dark, moody fiction, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Expanse, etc. are all there. Trek has never been, and I daresay should never be, like them.
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I have zero faith at all that there will be a reasonable justification for the TV-MA rating and that it will be anything but an excuse to go the cheap route by replacing the crappy tradition of sticking female cast in catsuits with the new way of just throwing in gratuitous sex and nudity to dredge up views.
Even if they somehow miraculously don't take a lazy route like that, the alternative is that the show is going to be violent and gory, which doesn't fit Star Trek either.
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environmental parameters?
what environmental parameters?
Look if there is a cosmic plan...
Remember the space dinosaurs from Voyager
yeah me either
I tried to suppress them, but now I kind of like them (but still not that episode).
You can't fix the Voth, but awesome things can come of saying, "Fuck it, go crazy."
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Not just T-Rexes, but also no-shit Laser Cyber-Raptors.
Which work alongside power armored evolved dinosaurs.
I don't give a fig if if fits the Trek vision, there is nothing about those phrases that is not awesome.
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They also operate out of a carrier ship that holds entire wings of that gigantic carrier ship from the Voyager episode. Shown here in scale comparison to who the fuck cares what its in comparison to it's that huge.
They covered this in a TNG episode. Everyone evolved similarly because of aliens, not pseudoscience.
Aliens.
Or a salamander
To be fair, there's nothing about evolution that requires DNA - just variation and reproduction. Once you're a post human society comprised of uploaded minds whole bunch of other selection pressures might come into play. Maybe writing yourself into the underlying fabric of the universe is the end game, as whilst the universe still exists you're not going to get any corruption of data. And with infinite time, anyone who doesn't do this has their lineage end.
It didn't go that far, just described why so many species in the galaxy were humanoids. Essentially there was a millions or billions years old civilization of humanoid creatures who were basically alone except for possibly a few very, very alien species for thousands and thousands of years and decided "this fucking sucks" so they seeded a portion of the habitable worlds in the galaxy with life, or at least with genetic coding, that would in whatever species inherited it have at least one form that would evolve towards bipedal sapients (though evolving from different types of creatures) so future civilizations would have tons of similar species around when they emerged as space faring civilizations.
Admittedly I don't know exactly how you would guide evolution toward that point once you're gone, but I am not a member of an ancient precursor species. They're always doing crazy shit.
I think I need to get back into STO o_o
Nothing since The Sphere has been quite so epic, but the Tzenkethi are interesting (giant rhino men with vehicle grade weapons) and had some neat set pieces, like a battle skimming the event horizon of a black hole. But, yeah, even the Vaadwaur's quad tank paled next to the Cybersaurs Rex.
I've seen those before.
Me too:
(actually, the Thraddash are more like hippos. Angry hippos.)
Hippos are always angry.
Maybe they're angry because really, they're hungry...
Hungry, hungry even.
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Because not everything has to be family friendly? Frankly it's about time for Trek to step up for an adult feel. Whether they do it well is another thing altogether. IIRC Fuller originally wanted full on nudity and sex scenes ala HBO.
edit: I've actually read Trek novels which would pass for that rating with scenes like that, though not at HBO level so it wouldn't be a first for the franchise itself, only the live action portion.
The captain torturing a person in one episode and not even as a moral dilemma of the episode was not the high point of the series.
It's not about just certain subjects, it's how it's made to be more mature. The Expanse is a great example of how to do espionage, war and politics at a mature level - the only series which comes close to that was Deep Space 9, and that is not as realistic as current mature shows depict those subjects. With exceptions.
If you want dark, moody fiction, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Expanse, etc. are all there. Trek has never been, and I daresay should never be, like them.
Yeah, star trek was never dark
Even if they somehow miraculously don't take a lazy route like that, the alternative is that the show is going to be violent and gory, which doesn't fit Star Trek either.