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Kill it with fire! [Spider Identification]

GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
Hi all,

Recently moved (moving?) from Boston to the Seattle area. We are in the process of closing on a house here and I was doing the final walkthrough when I found that the house was already inhabited:
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It was the biggest spider I've ever seen, and not something I ever want to go remotely near. It was about the size of a hackey sack, maybe a little bigger. Google suggests that it might be a Giant House Spider (which reading about will give me nightmares forever, thanks #2 fastest spider in the world) or a Hobo Spider, which is actaully poisonous.

Can anyone tell from the blurry pictures? Should I call somebody? An exorcist maybe?

If someone could ID this one as well I'd be grateful. There's a bunch of them right outside our temporary housing:
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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    second one looks like an orb weaver

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    So, a few things. I can't tell from the first picture what that spider is....it MIGHT be a giant house spider, but it's most certainly NOT a hobo spider.

    Incidentally, hobo spiders aren't actually poisonous OR venomous, so even it was a hobo spider, you'd be safe.

    The danger of hobo spiders is vastly overstated, and is actually a very weird story....my PhD advisor did some work on the subject, and it's a real doozy.

    The second picture is some kind of orb weaver, probably a member of the Argiope genus of orb weavers. Not deadly, have a decently painful bite, but just let them alone and they'll be fine.

    Especially if you just moved to Seattle area, the Argiope spiders are out in force- a lot of my entomology friends in the area have been posting pictures of them en masse

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    If you live in the Pacific Northwest, I'd recommend Quaoar Power's youtube channel.

    He works for the USDA out in that area, and is someone I know in professional circles by reputation as a great guy, and he makes really informative Youtube channels about spiders and their non-danger.

    EDIT: for context, he has videos where he takes a giant house spider or hobo spider and tries to induce them to bite him. neither does, even when he holds them against his arm.

    Arch on
  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    So it's definitely encouraging to see that they're (probably?) not dangerous. Next up - how do I...uh..."encourage them to leave?"

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    So it's definitely encouraging to see that they're (probably?) not dangerous. Next up - how do I...uh..."encourage them to leave?"

    Shoo them out of the house with a broom? As to "stopping them from getting in"....well that's harder.

    Make sure all doorframes are well sealed, and that any openings to the outside are also well sealed. Especially seal up doors to basements and garages. Make sure the outside of the house is sealed as well (so they can't get into places like attics and walls. It's hard to say without physically looking at your house to see where they could be getting in from....

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    spiders are awesome because they eat all the nasty and annoying bugs in your home

    I always respect a spider

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    spiders are awesome because they eat all the nasty and annoying bugs in your home

    I always respect a spider

    Spiders are great as long as they exist in that "out of sight, out of mind" capacity.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    Spiders are my buddies, just as long as they keep there webs out of my way and of course aren't black widows.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    If you can't stand spiders in your house (and that's not abnormal) just don't sweat it. Move in, put in furniture and occupy. Some spiders won't be there because you are. And if there are still some there, they'll be behind the bookcase and shit, like they are in every house, and you won't notice.

    It's just hella easy to spot spiders in an empty, white house.

    What is this I don't even.
  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    Next up - how do I...uh..."encourage them to leave?"
    The odd spider that gets noticed and a guest spazzes out about I coax onto a flyswatter (which is reserved for mosquitoes) and carry them outside. They always seem to be Bold Jumpers.

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  • HollerHoller Registered User regular
    This is probably not enormously helpful, but I've lived around Seattle my whole life, have seen what looks to be both of these guys around my home many times through the years (especially the second one, those bad boys are everywhere during spider season) and have never gotten a spider bite/been bitten by anything more poisonous than a mosquito. We are currently at what I would say is peak spider season, so it's not really surprising that you've got a couple. My family has never sprayed for spiders, because they are rarely dangerous but make for good pest control. Your money is better spent spraying for termites.

    My policy for spiders has been: if it builds a web in an out of the way place, it can stay and eat any bugs it finds.
    If it's standing peacefully or slowly roaming around, I put it in a cup and set it outside.
    If it is running very very fast, I smash it to death.
    And if it has the appearance of a black widow, which I've never actually had in my home, I would very carefully smash it. We have a pretty common lookalike breed here that doesn't have the red hourglass, but Eastern WA does have black widow populations and very occasionally Western WA gets them too. I've never seen a black widow in my life, but it's something to be aware of.

    Most dangerous spiders here are both very rare, and very shy. Here is the health departments rundown on what to look out for. The only real problem you are at all likely to have with spiders is if one of you is very afraid of them. If so, the other person will probably need to get comfortable dealing with the spider situation, but an exterminator is unlikely to be a good investment unless it's a grade-A phobia.

  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    I don't know how I feel about my new home having a "spider season," but what can you do I guess. Will talk to the wife and see what she wants to do about it :D

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Hey man, you seem to have photographed two spiders that are very common and not dangerous at all.

    A housespider and an orb weaver.

    Frankly i'm surprised you've never seen them before. Did you move a long distance or between different climates? (Is Boston - Seattle far? dumb yurper here)

    bwanie on
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Boston and Seattle are on the opposite sides of the continent. About 3000 miles.

    Imagine travelling from Spain to Ukraine. And back.

    You're muckin' with a G!

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  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    Boston and Seattle are on the opposite sides of the continent. About 3000 miles.

    Imagine travelling from Spain to Ukraine. And back.

    This. The worst we get in Boston proper is tiny black spiders and house centipedes, and the occasional cockroach.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Tiny black spiders are way more worth fearing, generally speaking. :P

    What is this I don't even.
  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Some bug sprays will kill spiders. You can get sticky traps for cockroaches and mice that would also catch spiders very nicely. They don't kill them but they can't move so you can crush them easily without having them run in that creepy horrible way.

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    I don't know how I feel about my new home having a "spider season," but what can you do I guess. Will talk to the wife and see what she wants to do about it :D

    The thing about the Pacific Northwest (having just come from there), is that a lot of spiders have a lifespan of several years (especially the bigger ones).

    Of course, this means that during the cold months they need to find a place to shelter....and your home is typically nice and warm and full of other insects sheltering from the cold.....

    So be prepared to find larger-than-average spiders overwintering in your home.

    It's really a pacific northwest thing. Enjoy????

  • FoomyFoomy Registered User regular
    Spider season is also late summer/fall when all the orb weavers are grown up and out in force trying to get enough energy to lay eggs.

    Don't worry about them, most are incapable of biting or are non-venomous, and are very reluctant to bite. Most annoyance is that they love to build a nest right at eye level in doorways.

    and they will eat all of your mosquito and flies in the area.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Some bug sprays will kill spiders. You can get sticky traps for cockroaches and mice that would also catch spiders very nicely. They don't kill them but they can't move so you can crush them easily without having them run in that creepy horrible way.

    Ugh. I hate glue traps. Those things are fucking evil.

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Some bug sprays will kill spiders. You can get sticky traps for cockroaches and mice that would also catch spiders very nicely. They don't kill them but they can't move so you can crush them easily without having them run in that creepy horrible way.

    Ugh. I hate glue traps. Those things are fucking evil.

    Cruel for mice, but great for bugs.

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Some bug sprays will kill spiders. You can get sticky traps for cockroaches and mice that would also catch spiders very nicely. They don't kill them but they can't move so you can crush them easily without having them run in that creepy horrible way.

    Ugh. I hate glue traps. Those things are fucking evil.

    Cruel for mice, but great for bugs.

    I....um

    Also cruel for bugs QQ

  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    Well, we went back yesterday and it was gone. So I have to assume the place has been blessed by some kind of spider shaman and we'll never see another one again.

    At least this is what I'm choosing to believe.

    3DS FC: 2079-6424-8577 | PSN: KaeruX65 | Steam: Karulytic | FFXIV: Wonder Boy
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Some bug sprays will kill spiders. You can get sticky traps for cockroaches and mice that would also catch spiders very nicely. They don't kill them but they can't move so you can crush them easily without having them run in that creepy horrible way.

    Ugh. I hate glue traps. Those things are fucking evil.

    Cruel for mice, but great for bugs.

    I....um

    Also cruel for bugs QQ

    yeah but fuck bugs

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Keep it together dudes. Every bug thread is not a chat thread for your hilarious spider opinions.

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Well, we went back yesterday and it was gone. So I have to assume the place has been blessed by some kind of spider shaman and we'll never see another one again.

    At least this is what I'm choosing to believe.

    Actually you just ate it in your sleep.

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    Well, we went back yesterday and it was gone. So I have to assume the place has been blessed by some kind of spider shaman and we'll never see another one again.

    At least this is what I'm choosing to believe.

    Actually you just ate it in your sleep.

    But not before it laid its eggs in your face.

    (*Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark image here*).

    IDK what the first one is, but the second one is definitely some kind of orb weaver.

    Does your new home have a basement? That will likely be the real spider adventure for you.

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  • baudattitudebaudattitude Registered User regular
    Giant House Spiders just kind of come with living in the PNW I'm afraid. If it helps at all, they're super territorial and hate each other, so you won't see a lot of them in any given house usually.

    The ones you DO see will be the ones that have successfully defeated all rivals, of course, so they will be the strongest ones.

    I let the ones in the garage live, and any that I find in our house and can get out to the garage before my wife sees them. Any she sees has to die with the force of boot, of course, and that's where the whole Super Fast thing comes in because the little buggers can scurry.

  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    Giant House Spiders just kind of come with living in the PNW I'm afraid. If it helps at all, they're super territorial and hate each other, so you won't see a lot of them in any given house usually.

    The ones you DO see will be the ones that have successfully defeated all rivals, of course, so they will be the strongest ones.

    This would certainly explain the pile of spider parts in the corner.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    If you get bit by a spider, it was either an accident or you were trying to piss it off. House spiders aren't very aggressive, and if you exterminate them some other creepy crawler is liable to take their place. One that isn't quite as sedentary as spiders.

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  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    Would any of the spiders we're talking about be dangerous to my cats? They have this thing about trying to kill anything that moves.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    My parents have a cat that gobbles up spider webs without a care, whether the spider is on it or not. Cats aren't particularly vulnerable to spiders.

  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    The only bad part about cats eating spiders, is having to watch the spider crawl out of their mouth like 6 times before they manage to keep it down.

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    The only bad part about cats eating spiders, is having to watch the spider crawl out of their mouth like 6 times before they manage to keep it down.


    Kinda makes me afraid to pet my cat if i saw that.

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  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    bwanie wrote: »
    The only bad part about cats eating spiders, is having to watch the spider crawl out of their mouth like 6 times before they manage to keep it down.

    Well, that's horrible :?

    Grundlestiltskin on
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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    Yeah they'll eventually chomp off enough legs for the spider to not be able to pry itself through their teeth. My cat was obsessed with eating big house spiders. I remember one time he cought one so big he spent ten minutes trying to eat it before giving up.

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