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Has there ever been a debate moderator that actually managed to consistently hold the candidates to the rules/speaking times/etc?
I don't think I've ever seen it
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Pence still clinging to the hope that the Earth will open up and swallow Trump, letting him be the president. Bless his heart.
Meanwhile I'm sittin here with popcorn desperately waiting and hoping for a day after the election where I can watch pence's political career completely fucking evaporate
And then the earth swallows him up
Well, he lost his gubernatorial bid when he accepted the VP run, but running as Trump's veep is like accepting a room on the Titanic.
As a person from Indiana, I am 100% drinking a tall, cool glass of delicious shadenfreude as I watch Pence get kicked to the god damn curb.
Though if Trump loses, I fully expect Pence to come back to Indiana and work as some kinda god damn shadow vizier for Holcomb.
Yeah I absolutely say that as someone born and raised in Indiana. I want to watch him crash and burn so bad
Oh also also after the whole debate I give Lester Holt a charitable 5/10. Honestly I think the debate was moderated poorly but I also don't know what reporter working for a major news outlet would be allowed to be forceful enough to get Trump (And, let's be fair, to a much lesser extent Clinton) to totally behave and stick to debate topics. Like, you could do it, but I don't know who'd allow you to do it. (And Trump would probably just walk off the stage.)
He deserves better than that, if he'd pressed any harder people who aren't already hardcore Trump supporters might think he was being biased.
I think he was okay as far as challenging statements that were patently bullshit. But he was a little bit weak when it came to cutting Trump off when his time was up. At the next debate, they need to just let the moderator cut his god damn mic.
I dunno, he gave trump enough rope to hang himself with.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I understand why people bare teeth when they see "blue lives matter," because it was a response to black lives matter that sure feels like trying to undercut the black movement. But that's not what Bill was doing. He was just repeating the same thing Hillary said at the debate, that we have to train the police not to use force unless necessary, but that we also need to provide them support so that their jobs are not harder than they have to be.
Like it or not, Hillary isn't going to get on stage and shit on the police and act like it's all their fault everything has gone wrong in poor communities. It's not only not true, but it would ruin her chances of winning the election.
I loved Hillary talking about implicit bias, police having to deal with the mentally ill in the streets in ways that they're not really equipped, etc.
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Like honestly while I don't think Gary Johnson is a very respectable candidate either... I sure as hell ain't going to judge folks like I would with Trump. I got a lot more hope for folks who do protest votes than people who grumble and still vote for Trump.
There is at least the value of lodging a protest against the two party system and the slim if any hope that said third party garners enough votes to be take seriously in future elections thereby opening the door to the end of this charade that we even get a choice.
There is no value in just voting third party. A vote for a third party will be entirely ignored once the election is over with. Unless there is work being put in at every level to make the party competitive like a Republican or a Progressive party, a third party will never be taken seriously. No current third party running is doing even close to that level of effort, they are just throwing their name at the big seat and shouting into the wind.
Voting for a third party cannot change the system we have. It would require a lot more than that, and at this point it is much too late for this election. Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be President. There is no other electoral outcome.
I think he was okay as far as challenging statements that were patently bullshit. But he was a little bit weak when it came to cutting Trump off when his time was up. At the next debate, they need to just let the moderator cut his god damn mic.
Clinton also went over and ran over the moderator a bunch, it wasn't a problem unique to Trump.
Now if the moderator could say "you have to answer the damn question or I'm cutting your mic, you fucking idiot," that I would be ok with. Trump barely managed to answer one question as it was asked and that was after going around two whole mulberry bushes.
It needs to be defanged then. Like it or not, any statement on the issue that aggravates either side is going to fuck everything up. The left let the right completely take ownership of religion, gun owners and various other voting blocs. They can't do the same thing with police, no matter how satisfying it is. "Cops are cool guys" cannot be exclusively right wing rhetoric.
Has there ever been a debate moderator that actually managed to consistently hold the candidates to the rules/speaking times/etc?
I don't think I've ever seen it
Yeah I don't think debate moderators have a super strong hold on the conversation in the best of times. During the biggest circus of an election in living memory? Forget about it. I didn't see the entire debate but seems like Holt did a decent enough job
Like honestly while I don't think Gary Johnson is a very respectable candidate either... I sure as hell ain't going to judge folks like I would with Trump. I got a lot more hope for folks who do protest votes than people who grumble and still vote for Trump.
There is at least the value of lodging a protest against the two party system and the slim if any hope that said third party garners enough votes to be take seriously in future elections thereby opening the door to the end of this charade that we even get a choice.
There is no value in just voting third party. A vote for a third party will be entirely ignored once the election is over with. Unless there is work being put in at every level to make the party competitive like a Republican or a Progressive party, a third party will never be taken seriously. No current third party running is doing even close to that level of effort, they are just throwing their name at the big seat and shouting into the wind.
Voting for a third party cannot change the system we have. It would require a lot more than that, and at this point it is much too late for this election. Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be President. There is no other electoral outcome.
Like honestly while I don't think Gary Johnson is a very respectable candidate either... I sure as hell ain't going to judge folks like I would with Trump. I got a lot more hope for folks who do protest votes than people who grumble and still vote for Trump.
There is at least the value of lodging a protest against the two party system and the slim if any hope that said third party garners enough votes to be take seriously in future elections thereby opening the door to the end of this charade that we even get a choice.
How is there no choice? Hillary and Trump agree on virtually nothing!
There may not be a choice you like, but there is absolutely a choice.
“I absolutely understand why they’re doing what they’re doing, and I respect their courage for what they’ve done. The question is whether it will do any good or not because it seems that change really seems to happen through political pressure, no matter how you look at it. Whether it’s Dr. King getting large groups together and boycotting buses, or what’s happened in Carolina with the NBA and other organizations pulling events to make it known what’s going on. But I think the important thing that Kaepernick and others have done is to keep it in the conversation. When’s the last time you heard the name Michael Brown? With our 24/7 news, things seem to drift. We’re all trying to just exist and survive.
“It’s easier for white people because we haven’t lived that experience. It’s difficult for many white people to understand the day-to-day feeling that many black people have to deal with. It’s not just a rogue policeman, or a policeman exerting too much force or power, when we know that most of the police are just trying to do their job, which is very difficult. I’d be scared to death if I was a policeman and I stopped a car. You just don’t know what’s going to happen. And part of that in our country is exacerbated by the preponderance of guns that other countries don’t have to deal with. It gets very complicated.
“At this point, when somebody like Kaepernick brings attention to this, and others who have, it makes people have to face the issue because it’s too easy to let it go because it’s not their daily experience. If it’s not your daily experience, you don’t understand it. I didn’t talk to my kids about how to act in front of a policeman when you get stopped. I didn’t have to do that. All of my black friends have done that. There’s something that’s wrong about that, and we all know that. What’s the solution? Nobody has figured it out. But for sure, the conversation has to stay fresh, it has to stay continuous, it has to be persistent, and we all have a responsibility to make sure that happens in our communities.”
I think its interesting that Popovich who is always kind of very brief in bullshit sports interviews has some real good thoughts on whats going on. Good on you Gregg.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
You might think both sides want policies you don't agree with, both sides are in the pocket of big-money interests, etc. But there's no doubt about them not being alike.
I'm not a fan of Hillary, because I'm not a fan of the types of politicians who change their positions on things like gay marriage only after they see that they have to do it because their base has moved that way. I volunteered for and donated to Bernie's campaign, because he's the guy I wanted.
But I'm sure as fuck going to vote for her with an anti-Trump vote.
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The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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You might think both sides want policies you don't agree with, both sides are in the pocket of big-money interests, etc. But there's no doubt about them not being alike.
I'm not a fan of Hillary, because I'm not a fan of the types of politicians who change their positions on things like gay marriage only after they see that they have to do it because their base has moved that way. I volunteered for and donated to Bernie's campaign, because he's the guy I wanted.
But I'm sure as fuck going to vote for her with an anti-Trump vote.
Oh I am too...Trump scares the fuck out of me. Doesn't mean I don't feel manipulated.
“I absolutely understand why they’re doing what they’re doing, and I respect their courage for what they’ve done. The question is whether it will do any good or not because it seems that change really seems to happen through political pressure, no matter how you look at it. Whether it’s Dr. King getting large groups together and boycotting buses, or what’s happened in Carolina with the NBA and other organizations pulling events to make it known what’s going on. But I think the important thing that Kaepernick and others have done is to keep it in the conversation. When’s the last time you heard the name Michael Brown? With our 24/7 news, things seem to drift. We’re all trying to just exist and survive.
“It’s easier for white people because we haven’t lived that experience. It’s difficult for many white people to understand the day-to-day feeling that many black people have to deal with. It’s not just a rogue policeman, or a policeman exerting too much force or power, when we know that most of the police are just trying to do their job, which is very difficult. I’d be scared to death if I was a policeman and I stopped a car. You just don’t know what’s going to happen. And part of that in our country is exacerbated by the preponderance of guns that other countries don’t have to deal with. It gets very complicated.
“At this point, when somebody like Kaepernick brings attention to this, and others who have, it makes people have to face the issue because it’s too easy to let it go because it’s not their daily experience. If it’s not your daily experience, you don’t understand it. I didn’t talk to my kids about how to act in front of a policeman when you get stopped. I didn’t have to do that. All of my black friends have done that. There’s something that’s wrong about that, and we all know that. What’s the solution? Nobody has figured it out. But for sure, the conversation has to stay fresh, it has to stay continuous, it has to be persistent, and we all have a responsibility to make sure that happens in our communities.”
I think its interesting that Popovich who is always kind of very brief in bullshit sports interviews has some real good thoughts on whats going on. Good on you Gregg.
Pop was always a terrible interview just like Belichick because they know that giving sound bites to the media isn't what wins championships, preparation does. It is a funny contrast that most people probably think of him as a guy who doesn't have much to say, when in reality he just knows to not say much unless he has something important to say. A very useful skill.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
You know, I just realized something.
Lester didn't really fact check Trump.
Fact checking would be interrupting the person and correcting them about something they had said, but most of the salient 'fact checks' that I can recall were from the fucking questions. Like, Trump was arguing with Lester about shit that he had obviously done, what the hell else are you supposed to do? Even moderators who are 'against fact checking' can't well enough just sit there and go "Well, I guess I just won't ask that question then."
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
I think we all know the failings of first past the post. I'm certainly hopeful that at some point evolving our voting system to the point where it's not a complete two party shitshow becomes a priority for people. But we are where we are. I can understand being apathetic about that fact, but good on you for not letting it keep you at home on voting day even if you're not happy with the system as is.
Black and Blue Lives Matter isn't a gaffe it's Classic Clinton triangulation. You need black people to get excited enough to come out, but you can't support one without mentioning the other because this is America and white feels. It's the perfect response to hit all the demos she needs.
Lester built the fact-checking into some of the questions, which is what made a lot of Trump supporters cry foul like the thing was rigged to make him look bad. Not true, but when Trump is asked about the things he says and does it looks like you're trying to set him up, because he's so fucking dumb and says so much stupid shit that it's impossible to ask him about a thing he did or said without him looking bad, unless he just lies about it or talks in circles for 2 minutes, which is what he tried to do with every answer.
Fact checking would be interrupting the person and correcting them about something they had said, but most of the salient 'fact checks' that I can recall were from the fucking questions. Like, Trump was arguing with Lester about shit that he had obviously done, what the hell else are you supposed to do? Even moderators who are 'against fact checking' can't well enough just sit there and go "Well, I guess I just won't ask that question then."
He did interrupt Trump about Stop & Frisk being ruled unconstitutional a couple of times. My "favorite" part was Trump denying that it was ruled unconstitutional and arguing about it.
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Fact checking would be interrupting the person and correcting them about something they had said, but most of the salient 'fact checks' that I can recall were from the fucking questions. Like, Trump was arguing with Lester about shit that he had obviously done, what the hell else are you supposed to do? Even moderators who are 'against fact checking' can't well enough just sit there and go "Well, I guess I just won't ask that question then."
He did interrupt Trump about Stop & Frisk being ruled unconstitutional a couple of times. My "favorite" part was Trump denying that it was ruled unconstitutional and arguing about it.
Yeah, there was that. But the two biggest moments came from him arguing with Lester about the fucking question he was being asked.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Trump wasn't pre-selected at all. Bush would have been the candidate if preselection was the case.
Sanders got a lot of the primary votes, Clinton got more of them. There wasn't any preselection there, just the person a lot of people thought would be the nominee actually lining up with who the Democratic electorate wanted. Sometimes this doesn't happen, like in 2008. This time it did. Also as a result of his Primary performance Sanders got quite a few of his policy ideas put into the main Democratic platform.
Yeah, Trump's mental gymnastics about stop and frisk were sad and would be alarming to anybody who actually gave a shit about America. Essentially he said because the judge who ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional didn't agree with Trump, that it doesn't count and that all we need are politicans in NY who will just keep trying to appeal until a judge that agrees with Trump says that stop and frisk is in fact constitutional. I'm guessing that Trump doesn't realize that judicial rulings are not meant to just be partisan opinions, but he's Trump so why should that surprise anybody.
Like honestly while I don't think Gary Johnson is a very respectable candidate either... I sure as hell ain't going to judge folks like I would with Trump. I got a lot more hope for folks who do protest votes than people who grumble and still vote for Trump.
There is at least the value of lodging a protest against the two party system and the slim if any hope that said third party garners enough votes to be take seriously in future elections thereby opening the door to the end of this charade that we even get a choice.
I meant more along the lines of every republican that bails to vote for Johnson is a vote Trump loses.
The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
I don't think for a second anyone in the GOP thought or planned that trump would get as far as he has
The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Trump wasn't pre-selected at all. Bush would have been the candidate if preselection was the case.
Sanders got a lot of the primary votes, Clinton got more of them. There wasn't any preselection there, just the person a lot of people thought would be the nominee actually lining up with who the Democratic electorate wanted. Sometimes this doesn't happen, like in 2008. This time it did. Also as a result of his Primary performance Sanders got quite a few of his policy ideas put into the main Democratic platform.
I mean, I don't blame Clinton for it, but the DNC most definitely did everything they could to fuck over Sanders, and thus people who voted for him. They should not have been rooting for one over the other, and they were. Those leaked emails talking about how much they should try to play up Sanders as an atheist jew to scare religious voters away from him were disgusting, and that wasn't even the worst of it.
Honestly, if we were looking at Jeb Bush v Clinton or something like that, I might've voted R to punish the DNC for what they did. I just can't not vote against Trump at this point.
i don't recall anyone talking publically about Sanders probably being an atheist. and even if they had, while it's uncouth to worry about it, it does matter for the general election and is a salient point to consider when choosing a nominee
(although this would be the election to get an atheist / non-Christian elected, since Trump trying to talk faith would be laughable)
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The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Trump wasn't pre-selected at all. Bush would have been the candidate if preselection was the case.
Sanders got a lot of the primary votes, Clinton got more of them. There wasn't any preselection there, just the person a lot of people thought would be the nominee actually lining up with who the Democratic electorate wanted. Sometimes this doesn't happen, like in 2008. This time it did. Also as a result of his Primary performance Sanders got quite a few of his policy ideas put into the main Democratic platform.
I mean, I don't blame Clinton for it, but the DNC most definitely did everything they could to fuck over Sanders, and thus people who voted for him. They should not have been rooting for one over the other, and they were. Those leaked emails talking about how much they should try to play up Sanders as an atheist jew to scare religious voters away from him were disgusting, and that wasn't even the worst of it.
Honestly, if we were looking at Jeb Bush v Clinton or something like that, I might've voted R to punish the DNC for what they did. I just can't not vote against Trump at this point.
those emails were from late in the campaign and Sanders was already losing at that point
also talking about doing something shitty isn't the same as doing something shitty
The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Trump wasn't pre-selected at all. Bush would have been the candidate if preselection was the case.
Sanders got a lot of the primary votes, Clinton got more of them. There wasn't any preselection there, just the person a lot of people thought would be the nominee actually lining up with who the Democratic electorate wanted. Sometimes this doesn't happen, like in 2008. This time it did. Also as a result of his Primary performance Sanders got quite a few of his policy ideas put into the main Democratic platform.
I mean, I don't blame Clinton for it, but the DNC most definitely did everything they could to fuck over Sanders, and thus people who voted for him. They should not have been rooting for one over the other, and they were. Those leaked emails talking about how much they should try to play up Sanders as an atheist jew to scare religious voters away from him were disgusting, and that wasn't even the worst of it.
Honestly, if we were looking at Jeb Bush v Clinton or something like that, I might've voted R to punish the DNC for what they did. I just can't not vote against Trump at this point.
those emails were from late in the campaign and Sanders was already losing at that point
also talking about doing something shitty isn't the same as doing something shitty
What is more condemning is the unwillingness to take a chance, which halts the evolution of the electoral process and makes it decrepit enough for someone like Trump to exploit it.
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The rhetoric that both sides are alike has never been as manifestly false as it is in this election
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Trump wasn't pre-selected at all. Bush would have been the candidate if preselection was the case.
Sanders got a lot of the primary votes, Clinton got more of them. There wasn't any preselection there, just the person a lot of people thought would be the nominee actually lining up with who the Democratic electorate wanted. Sometimes this doesn't happen, like in 2008. This time it did. Also as a result of his Primary performance Sanders got quite a few of his policy ideas put into the main Democratic platform.
I mean, I don't blame Clinton for it, but the DNC most definitely did everything they could to fuck over Sanders, and thus people who voted for him. They should not have been rooting for one over the other, and they were. Those leaked emails talking about how much they should try to play up Sanders as an atheist jew to scare religious voters away from him were disgusting, and that wasn't even the worst of it.
Honestly, if we were looking at Jeb Bush v Clinton or something like that, I might've voted R to punish the DNC for what they did. I just can't not vote against Trump at this point.
those emails were from late in the campaign and Sanders was already losing at that point
also talking about doing something shitty isn't the same as doing something shitty
Which was also well after people were sending out death threats in Bernie's name and he didn't do a damn thing to try to dissuade it.
And well after Bernie decided it was a good idea to talk shit about the DNC at every turn.
I think Sanders would be getting annihilated right now if he'd won the nomination.
Eh, some polls showed that Sanders would annihilate Trump in the general. Of course those all come with caveats, but just like you think that, I think the opposite. Sanders would call out Trump's bullshit even more than Hillary can. In no small part because "angry old man" is perfectly acceptable and he wouldn't be having to censor himself because of sexist bullshit.
Ultimately it doesn't matter because Hillary is the candidate for the dems, and because her opponent is 100 times worse to me than her, she gets my vote this time. I'm at least glad Bernie forced the conversation on policy some, and that he's still trying to use the momentum he had in the primary to drive people to vote for progressives in local and state elections.
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I don't think I've ever seen it
I dunno, he gave trump enough rope to hang himself with.
Like it or not, Hillary isn't going to get on stage and shit on the police and act like it's all their fault everything has gone wrong in poor communities. It's not only not true, but it would ruin her chances of winning the election.
I loved Hillary talking about implicit bias, police having to deal with the mentally ill in the streets in ways that they're not really equipped, etc.
yes
both phrases are more than just the simple assertion that the lives they are referencing are worth something
they are also distillations of two opposed ideologies
There is no value in just voting third party. A vote for a third party will be entirely ignored once the election is over with. Unless there is work being put in at every level to make the party competitive like a Republican or a Progressive party, a third party will never be taken seriously. No current third party running is doing even close to that level of effort, they are just throwing their name at the big seat and shouting into the wind.
Voting for a third party cannot change the system we have. It would require a lot more than that, and at this point it is much too late for this election. Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be President. There is no other electoral outcome.
Clinton also went over and ran over the moderator a bunch, it wasn't a problem unique to Trump.
Now if the moderator could say "you have to answer the damn question or I'm cutting your mic, you fucking idiot," that I would be ok with. Trump barely managed to answer one question as it was asked and that was after going around two whole mulberry bushes.
Yeah I don't think debate moderators have a super strong hold on the conversation in the best of times. During the biggest circus of an election in living memory? Forget about it. I didn't see the entire debate but seems like Holt did a decent enough job
I don't feel like you read my statement.
How is there no choice? Hillary and Trump agree on virtually nothing!
There may not be a choice you like, but there is absolutely a choice.
I think its interesting that Popovich who is always kind of very brief in bullshit sports interviews has some real good thoughts on whats going on. Good on you Gregg.
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I'm not a fan of Hillary, because I'm not a fan of the types of politicians who change their positions on things like gay marriage only after they see that they have to do it because their base has moved that way. I volunteered for and donated to Bernie's campaign, because he's the guy I wanted.
But I'm sure as fuck going to vote for her with an anti-Trump vote.
I am not of the opinion they are alike in any way...I am however of the opinion that two pre-selected candidates, who were chosen for you to pick from hardly constitutes a legitimate choice. I do not feel at any point in the primary process there was even a sliver of a chance that we didn't end up precisely where we are right now and that is completely by design. Maybe I am just disillusioned to the point of apathy with our political parties at this point.
Oh I am too...Trump scares the fuck out of me. Doesn't mean I don't feel manipulated.
Pop was always a terrible interview just like Belichick because they know that giving sound bites to the media isn't what wins championships, preparation does. It is a funny contrast that most people probably think of him as a guy who doesn't have much to say, when in reality he just knows to not say much unless he has something important to say. A very useful skill.
Lester didn't really fact check Trump.
Fact checking would be interrupting the person and correcting them about something they had said, but most of the salient 'fact checks' that I can recall were from the fucking questions. Like, Trump was arguing with Lester about shit that he had obviously done, what the hell else are you supposed to do? Even moderators who are 'against fact checking' can't well enough just sit there and go "Well, I guess I just won't ask that question then."
I think we all know the failings of first past the post. I'm certainly hopeful that at some point evolving our voting system to the point where it's not a complete two party shitshow becomes a priority for people. But we are where we are. I can understand being apathetic about that fact, but good on you for not letting it keep you at home on voting day even if you're not happy with the system as is.
He did interrupt Trump about Stop & Frisk being ruled unconstitutional a couple of times. My "favorite" part was Trump denying that it was ruled unconstitutional and arguing about it.
Yeah, there was that. But the two biggest moments came from him arguing with Lester about the fucking question he was being asked.
Trump wasn't pre-selected at all. Bush would have been the candidate if preselection was the case.
Sanders got a lot of the primary votes, Clinton got more of them. There wasn't any preselection there, just the person a lot of people thought would be the nominee actually lining up with who the Democratic electorate wanted. Sometimes this doesn't happen, like in 2008. This time it did. Also as a result of his Primary performance Sanders got quite a few of his policy ideas put into the main Democratic platform.
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Now Trump is touting these exact polls as proof that he won the debate
In their zeal, his most fervent fans have stopped him from recognising that he actually did very badly and needs to adjust
This pleases me greatly
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I meant more along the lines of every republican that bails to vote for Johnson is a vote Trump loses.
I don't think for a second anyone in the GOP thought or planned that trump would get as far as he has
I mean, I don't blame Clinton for it, but the DNC most definitely did everything they could to fuck over Sanders, and thus people who voted for him. They should not have been rooting for one over the other, and they were. Those leaked emails talking about how much they should try to play up Sanders as an atheist jew to scare religious voters away from him were disgusting, and that wasn't even the worst of it.
Honestly, if we were looking at Jeb Bush v Clinton or something like that, I might've voted R to punish the DNC for what they did. I just can't not vote against Trump at this point.
(although this would be the election to get an atheist / non-Christian elected, since Trump trying to talk faith would be laughable)
those emails were from late in the campaign and Sanders was already losing at that point
also talking about doing something shitty isn't the same as doing something shitty
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Did they intentionally rig the primary against Sanders? No.
What is more condemning is the unwillingness to take a chance, which halts the evolution of the electoral process and makes it decrepit enough for someone like Trump to exploit it.
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"the '''''global elite''''' control everything"
he wouldn't be able to keep his cool in a debate against Trump
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Which was also well after people were sending out death threats in Bernie's name and he didn't do a damn thing to try to dissuade it.
And well after Bernie decided it was a good idea to talk shit about the DNC at every turn.
Eh, some polls showed that Sanders would annihilate Trump in the general. Of course those all come with caveats, but just like you think that, I think the opposite. Sanders would call out Trump's bullshit even more than Hillary can. In no small part because "angry old man" is perfectly acceptable and he wouldn't be having to censor himself because of sexist bullshit.
Ultimately it doesn't matter because Hillary is the candidate for the dems, and because her opponent is 100 times worse to me than her, she gets my vote this time. I'm at least glad Bernie forced the conversation on policy some, and that he's still trying to use the momentum he had in the primary to drive people to vote for progressives in local and state elections.