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USA Presidential Election 2016: Fellow Nasty

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    In the Cammunist Republic of Steveland, I think it's in their constitution that

    "if a party refuses to be swayed by reasonable arguments, the other party is allowed to cause them bodily harm."

    It then goes on to define what exactly constitute a "reasonable" argument. This takes up the other 500 pages of the 501-page document.

    (It hasn't been ratified yet.)

    Children's rights are human rights.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Grew up in the 70s, got it from classmates; no kids of my own, keep being startled when I am reminded that yeah, there's an actual vaccine for that now.

    Funny thing - I might be one of the vax scare stories. I apparently had a really bad reaction to the smallpox? shot; I'd started talking, and then I got a very high fever and apparently I stopped for a while? I don't know the details (and my parents, alas, are not around to provide)... but, it seems I was already/always disposed to take after my smart, bookish, introverted, sensitive mother. Am I less smart than I might have been? Am I, or was she, diagnosably "on the spectrum"? These are unanswerable questions, IMO, and so I don't trouble myself with them.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    If the shops can put up the Christmas stuff on Nov 1, it's not too early to ask for presents, is it?

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Fuck Jill Stein.

    This solidifies the core of my angst about many of the people voting third party in the US: they're "voting third party". Not for Stein, or for Johnson, because both candidates are horrendous. Stein's willing to say anything to get elected (oh the irony), including dangerous anti-scientific stances against nuclear energy and wi-fi (seriously?), while hemming and hawwing on vaccines to keep the anti-vaccine vote. And lest Johnson be any better, he just comes up vacuous on topics he doesn't understand (like the largest ongoing war in our time), and trying to sell weed to cure ebola, rather than writing essays on pseudoscience like Stein.

    Start local, and build a party infrastructure. Don't prop up batshit morons for president out of the gate and cry about your abysmal polling being because "the media keeps us down".

    Suriko on
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Suriko wrote: »
    This solidifies the core of my angst about many of the people voting third party in the US: they're "voting third party".

    I'm too cool for your candidates, sheeple. That's right. I'm a rebel.

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Suriko wrote: »
    Fuck Jill Stein.

    This solidifies the core of my angst about many of the people voting third party in the US: they're "voting third party". Not for Stein, or for Johnson, because both candidates are horrendous. Stein's willing to say anything to get elected (oh the irony), including dangerous anti-scientific stances against nuclear energy and wi-fi (seriously?), while hemming and hawwing on vaccines to keep the anti-vaccine vote. And lest Johnson be any better, he just comes up vacuous on topics he doesn't understand (like the largest ongoing war in our time), and trying to sell weed to cure ebola, rather than writing essays on pseudoscience like Stein.

    Start local, and build a party infrastructure. Don't prop up batshit morons for president out of the gate and cry about your abysmal polling being because "the media keeps us down".

    I kind of love how she pointedly ignores any questions about vaccines - and there's a lot of them - but goes to town on how scarybad wifi is because "studies" have said it is, says in the very next sentence that she doesn't have an opinion on whether it's scarybad or not, and follows that up by pointing out how many places have wifi bans For The Children. That's weapons-grade hemming and hawing.

    (Also, her response to the nuclear power question in that AMA has a score of -2300. Ouch.)

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    For someone so concerned with ideological purity she sure is willing to pander to anti-intellectual conspiracy theorists in the hopes of garnering a few extra votes.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    If the shops can put up the Christmas stuff on Nov 1, it's not too early to ask for presents, is it?
    November 1st? My Walmart has had a Christmas display up for a week or two already.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    If the shops can put up the Christmas stuff on Nov 1, it's not too early to ask for presents, is it?
    November 1st? My Walmart has had a Christmas display up for a week or two already.

    My local Safeway had Halloween candy displays back in the middle of August.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    God have mercy on New Years when Christmas starts extending itself in that direction. Soon not even MLK Jr. Day will be safe.

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    My Target already has Christmas/Holiday gift cards up, and it's nearly enough for me to consider quitting right on the spot.

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    Suriko wrote: »
    Fuck Jill Stein.

    This solidifies the core of my angst about many of the people voting third party in the US: they're "voting third party". Not for Stein, or for Johnson, because both candidates are horrendous. Stein's willing to say anything to get elected (oh the irony), including dangerous anti-scientific stances against nuclear energy and wi-fi (seriously?), while hemming and hawwing on vaccines to keep the anti-vaccine vote. And lest Johnson be any better, he just comes up vacuous on topics he doesn't understand (like the largest ongoing war in our time), and trying to sell weed to cure ebola, rather than writing essays on pseudoscience like Stein.

    Start local, and build a party infrastructure. Don't prop up batshit morons for president out of the gate and cry about your abysmal polling being because "the media keeps us down".

    Also if people seriously want to have the ability for third parties to be anything besides a spoiler for the major party closest to their ideology, they need to get people who want to alter the voting system to one that will allow third parties to exist in at the ground level and support them through the ranks until they can make that happen years to decades later. Voting for third parties in our current system is like trying to fight gravity by tossing apples into the air and hoping one of them will eventually stay up there.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    There's also the old-fashioned way of going for local elections and building up a coalition over time but I don't think a lot of the people who whine about not having a third party actually want to do that cause it takes work.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Washington State has a gun control bill up that allows the gun rights of people to be found mentally unstable to be cut off.

    ACLU had a problem with this the last time I checked due to the number of ways people having a real bad day could get marked unstable by the system or malicious family members/police officers

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Washington State has a gun control bill up that allows the gun rights of people to be found mentally unstable to be cut off.

    ACLU had a problem with this the last time I checked due to the number of ways people having a real bad day could get marked unstable by the system or malicious family members/police officers

    yeah that's something that sounds vaguely like a good idea but offers way too much wiggle room to discriminate

    I mean i'm basically at the point where I'd vote to appeal the second amendment but that's not going to happen so as long as we have it we can't be shitty about how we apply it

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    CorporateRedCorporateRed Wooooooo! Registered User regular
    Christmas starts going out in October at the latest. The vendors start shipping the shit in May, so at that point it's been sitting around for a long fucking time. As Halloween sells, something needs to fill that space. It's not Thanksgiving stuff, because no one buys that. Any general fall merchandise had better be out already. That leaves Christmas to fill the shelf space.

    Also, for every person that complains about Christmas getting earlier every year, there's two people that buy something. Blame them.

    This has been my retail vent of the day.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    The 2nd amendment makes no exception for mentally unstable people

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    Suriko wrote: »
    Fuck Jill Stein.

    This solidifies the core of my angst about many of the people voting third party in the US: they're "voting third party". Not for Stein, or for Johnson, because both candidates are horrendous. Stein's willing to say anything to get elected (oh the irony), including dangerous anti-scientific stances against nuclear energy and wi-fi (seriously?), while hemming and hawwing on vaccines to keep the anti-vaccine vote. And lest Johnson be any better, he just comes up vacuous on topics he doesn't understand (like the largest ongoing war in our time), and trying to sell weed to cure ebola, rather than writing essays on pseudoscience like Stein.

    Start local, and build a party infrastructure. Don't prop up batshit morons for president out of the gate and cry about your abysmal polling being because "the media keeps us down".

    Also if people seriously want to have the ability for third parties to be anything besides a spoiler for the major party closest to their ideology, they need to get people who want to alter the voting system to one that will allow third parties to exist in at the ground level and support them through the ranks until they can make that happen years to decades later. Voting for third parties in our current system is like trying to fight gravity by tossing apples into the air and hoping one of them will eventually stay up there.

    yeah a lot of third party obsession reminds me of the democratic voters who just ignore things like senate votes, a fixation on the presidency as a cure-all magic wand that will make everything they want to happen happen

    and nope

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    The 2nd amendment makes no exception for mentally unstable people

    or blind people

    or baby people

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Why doesn't the democratic party just run local and state candidates

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Why doesn't the democratic party just run local and state candidates

    his name was martin o'malley

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Every Hillary scandal is

    "Ok I'm listening, what have you got?"
    "Well nothing but-"
    "We'll come back when you have something"
    Some of the stuff is kinda damning, but nothing beyond the ordinary for a politician. If you leaked emails from the past 16 years of elections you get similar emails from both parties. Not to really excuse it, but it's been how politics go in this country.

    What's really missing is the smoking gun that will ruin Clinton, a holy grail the GOP has been spent a lot of time, effort, and our money on.

    In so doing they've probably lessened the impact should such a grail ever appear.

    In 500 years we'll be telling children the tale of "the GOP who cried Benghazi!"

    Do you really think the CGOP (Cyber Grand Old Party) won't be scouring the scorched remains of Old Earth for evidence of something sketchy in Benghazi in 500 years

    At this point they probably have opposition research files on Sasha and Malia Obama lying in wait.

    Probably? Absofuckinglutely.

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Every Hillary scandal is

    "Ok I'm listening, what have you got?"
    "Well nothing but-"
    "We'll come back when you have something"
    Some of the stuff is kinda damning, but nothing beyond the ordinary for a politician. If you leaked emails from the past 16 years of elections you get similar emails from both parties. Not to really excuse it, but it's been how politics go in this country.

    What's really missing is the smoking gun that will ruin Clinton, a holy grail the GOP has been spent a lot of time, effort, and our money on.

    In so doing they've probably lessened the impact should such a grail ever appear.

    In 500 years we'll be telling children the tale of "the GOP who cried Benghazi!"

    Do you really think the CGOP (Cyber Grand Old Party) won't be scouring the scorched remains of Old Earth for evidence of something sketchy in Benghazi in 500 years

    At this point they probably have opposition research files on Sasha and Malia Obama lying in wait.

    Probably? Absofuckinglutely.
    Nobody in the GOP plans that far forward.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    God have mercy on New Years when Christmas starts extending itself in that direction. Soon not even MLK Jr. Day will be safe.

    I know my hometown extended the Christmas markets up to the 28th. I'm not sure if they continued to to that though.

    As we're more or less lacking the bulwark of Halloween merch here, christmas stuff has been in the stores since at least the last week of September.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Every Hillary scandal is

    "Ok I'm listening, what have you got?"
    "Well nothing but-"
    "We'll come back when you have something"
    Some of the stuff is kinda damning, but nothing beyond the ordinary for a politician. If you leaked emails from the past 16 years of elections you get similar emails from both parties. Not to really excuse it, but it's been how politics go in this country.

    What's really missing is the smoking gun that will ruin Clinton, a holy grail the GOP has been spent a lot of time, effort, and our money on.

    In so doing they've probably lessened the impact should such a grail ever appear.

    In 500 years we'll be telling children the tale of "the GOP who cried Benghazi!"

    Do you really think the CGOP (Cyber Grand Old Party) won't be scouring the scorched remains of Old Earth for evidence of something sketchy in Benghazi in 500 years

    At this point they probably have opposition research files on Sasha and Malia Obama lying in wait.

    Probably? Absofuckinglutely.

    I hear Malia said Kevin was cool but when asked she said he was lame. Total Flip flopper

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »

    I disagree it shows the head of the FBI is ultimately a sniveling toady beholden to his own party before the law and should step down

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    God have mercy on New Years when Christmas starts extending itself in that direction. Soon not even MLK Jr. Day will be safe.
    Christmas runs through into January in some parts of the world, until Three Kings Day, when you celebrate the Three Kings visiting Jesus.

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    His arguments are basically "I fucked up by making this a public spectacle in the first place, might as well double down on that."

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    ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    His arguments are basically "I fucked up by making this a public spectacle in the first place, might as well double down on that."

    Ah, the Trump Gambit.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    YaYa wrote: »
    Jill Stein is...

    just not all that smart

    what is it worth Doctors running and ending up being really stupid/inept on the political stage

    Turns out that medical doctors are really susceptible to Dunning-Kruger.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Oh, shit, they were right! This election is rigged!

    Jedoc on
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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Tossrock wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    agoaj wrote: »

    it's a real shame that he isn't able to stop himself from doing dumb shit, because he's otherwise a pretty great politician

    Can we really blame him, though

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Pre-emptive cheating: the iron-clad defense.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    http://nypost.com/2016/10/30/trump-offered-christie-his-vp-slot-then-rescinded-it/
    Donald Trump initially offered the vice-presidential running-mate slot to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie but then withdrew it, sources said.
    “Trump cares about who’s the most loyal and who kisses his a– the most, not who’s the most qualified and what’s the best political decision,” said a source close to the campaign. “If it was up to him, it would have been Christie.”
    Christie contacted Trump and made his final, impassioned ­appeal on July 12.

    “Christie said he thinks he deserves it and he earned it,” a second Trump source said. Convinced, Trump made the ­offer.

    Christie “said all the BS that Trump likes to hear, and Trump said, ‘Yeah, sure I’m giving it to you.’ ”

    That didn’t sit well with Manafort, who had arranged for Trump to meet Pence in Indianapolis on July 13, and fly back together to New York the next day for a formal announcement.

    After Trump tentatively decided on Christie, Manafort told Trump his plane had a mechanical problem, campaign sources said, forcing Trump to spend another night in the Hoosier State. Pence then made his case to be Trump’s No. 2 over dinner as Trump’s advisers argued that Christie’s Bridgegate troubles would sink the campaign.

    This really fills my schadenfreude glands.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    That is glorious

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