Apparently there is a rule preventing safeties due to momentum taking a player into the end zone.
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I think that applies to players chasing after the ball toward the end zone. Sure. But rolling in? Why wasn't he rolling when he was grabbing for the ball?
The only way for it to become a safety is if he rolled into the end zone, got up, ran out of the end zone, and then ended up back in the end zone and down. Otherwise, the worst that could happen is he gets forward progress at the 1.
*or if he got up in the end zone and committed a foul.
By that logic, a player could intercept a pass inside the twenty and then run hell for leather into the end zone just to get better field position. The player literally had possession of the ball and then rolled himself into the end zone. Plus, the idea that he was 'in' the end zone because his foot was on the line like a wrestler with his leg on the ropes is really silly as y2jake points out. And anyway he wasn't downing a punt, which is basically a dead ball play. The ball was live and could be advanced (or not) by any player in possession of it.
That would just give them possession wherever he intercepted the ball, because of forward progress.
I agree that the spot was questionable, but it wasn't a safety.
Now that I think about it, this is wrong, too. Forward progress is only a factor if the opposing team makes physical contact that drives the player backward. The player with possession, may turn around on his own, even after contact, and run toward his own end zone and the spot of the ball is where the actual tackle begins.
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Fair enough. To me it was clearly him giving himself up though.
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Fair enough. To me it was clearly him giving himself up though.
"Giving yourself up" has to take the form of a feet-first slide or a knee, IIRC. Maybe some other stuff, but they're specific moves that are codified and otherwise uncommon (so that they can't be mistaken). So when you slide feet first, you only get yardage up to where you start the slide; if you slide any other way, you're not "giving yourself up," so you get the field position of wherever the ball ends up until someone touches you.
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Fair enough. To me it was clearly him giving himself up though.
"Giving yourself up" has to take the form of a feet-first slide or a knee, IIRC. Maybe some other stuff, but they're specific moves that are codified and otherwise uncommon (so that they can't be mistaken). So when you slide feet first, you only get yardage up to where you start the slide; if you slide any other way, you're not "giving yourself up," so you get the field position of wherever the ball ends up until someone touches you.
Thanks for the paragraph. My contention is he did go knee first just not up field.
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Fair enough. To me it was clearly him giving himself up though.
"Giving yourself up" has to take the form of a feet-first slide or a knee, IIRC. Maybe some other stuff, but they're specific moves that are codified and otherwise uncommon (so that they can't be mistaken). So when you slide feet first, you only get yardage up to where you start the slide; if you slide any other way, you're not "giving yourself up," so you get the field position of wherever the ball ends up until someone touches you.
Thanks for the paragraph. My contention is he did go knee first just not up field.
Sorry, to be clear, it's a feet-first slide or taking a knee (kneeling).
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Fair enough. To me it was clearly him giving himself up though.
"Giving yourself up" has to take the form of a feet-first slide or a knee, IIRC. Maybe some other stuff, but they're specific moves that are codified and otherwise uncommon (so that they can't be mistaken). So when you slide feet first, you only get yardage up to where you start the slide; if you slide any other way, you're not "giving yourself up," so you get the field position of wherever the ball ends up until someone touches you.
Thanks for the paragraph. My contention is he did go knee first just not up field.
Sorry, to be clear, it's a feet-first slide or taking a knee (kneeling).
Also, lol that flop.
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Heh some shitty Pats fan pulled the fire alarm at the hotel the Steelers were staying in at 340 am this morning.
It feels like this happens every year doesn't it? You think they would slip the hotel staff an extra hundred bucks to make sure their guys get a full night's sleep.
By... disabling the fire alarm?
There are 3 things you can do to prevent someone pulling an alarm: 1) have people constantly patrol the building looking for smoke and disable the pull alarms, 2) post a guard at at all pull alarms, and 3) rent all the rooms so only the team and hotel staff is in the building.
All 3 are varying degrees of expensive, but I'm sure an NFL team could afford it to make sure their team gets a good night's sleep if they wanted to.
None of this involves slipping the hotel staff an extra hundred bucks.
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Heh some shitty Pats fan pulled the fire alarm at the hotel the Steelers were staying in at 340 am this morning.
It feels like this happens every year doesn't it? You think they would slip the hotel staff an extra hundred bucks to make sure their guys get a full night's sleep.
By... disabling the fire alarm?
There are 3 things you can do to prevent someone pulling an alarm: 1) have people constantly patrol the building looking for smoke and disable the pull alarms, 2) post a guard at at all pull alarms, and 3) rent all the rooms so only the team and hotel staff is in the building.
All 3 are varying degrees of expensive, but I'm sure an NFL team could afford it to make sure their team gets a good night's sleep if they wanted to.
None of this involves slipping the hotel staff an extra hundred bucks.
Ok my bad. A few thousand then.
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That's the first thing I thought, too!
Nailed it. Wish I had actually backed this up with a wager
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Also they just weren't a very good team and were riding a red hot rodgers
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Now that I think about it, this is wrong, too. Forward progress is only a factor if the opposing team makes physical contact that drives the player backward. The player with possession, may turn around on his own, even after contact, and run toward his own end zone and the spot of the ball is where the actual tackle begins.
lolrefs
I thought the Falcons were right behind NE and Dal in SB odds back then.
Feet first has to be towards the end zone i guess heh.
So, I suppose that means that my cheering preference is now:
Packers > Patriots > Falcons > Steelers.
It's still good odds, with all the teams still alive. Like +1000 or something.
I was gonna make a pats/Falcons super bowl bet I think.. good chance of that hitting
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Yeah I think it would have been somewhere between 1.75-2.75 I would wager...
I hit send right before they pick up the flag. And it has to be at least feet first in the direction of the run. Otherwise, why not just call all contact on the QB a personal foul?
Fair enough. To me it was clearly him giving himself up though.
Looked like it could've been his shoulder pads. They didn't show a good angle
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Only one team can defeat this obvious ref bias.
The Patriots! *cape*
I don't think there was a clear angle.
"Giving yourself up" has to take the form of a feet-first slide or a knee, IIRC. Maybe some other stuff, but they're specific moves that are codified and otherwise uncommon (so that they can't be mistaken). So when you slide feet first, you only get yardage up to where you start the slide; if you slide any other way, you're not "giving yourself up," so you get the field position of wherever the ball ends up until someone touches you.
Thanks for the paragraph. My contention is he did go knee first just not up field.
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Are there penalties against simulation in the NFL?
Sorry, to be clear, it's a feet-first slide or taking a knee (kneeling).
Also, lol that flop.
Got it
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None of this involves slipping the hotel staff an extra hundred bucks.
Ok my bad. A few thousand then.
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Holy God this is bad.