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I'm feeling so demotivated. Much as it's in his character to start fighting the CIA over this, he's a weasel with a modicum of self-preservation, which is why he always settles suits out of court.
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GoodKingJayIIIThey wanna get mygold on the ceilingRegistered Userregular
So Flynn is out. Good, because that guy was fucking gross.
Has any administration ever lost a major cabinet member like this in the first month? I've never seen anything like this before.
People on Trump Land pretty much seem happy to just throw Flynn under the bus for lying to Pence. You see, the Trump admin does hold people accountable, unlike the Dems.
Also, on the good news, Flynn was the big "War with Iran" flag carrier on the Trump admin, so a lot of the pressure on that front should be reduced.
On the less good news, I see this lasting on the news cycle as much as Manafort resigning during the campaign.
People on Trump Land pretty much seem happy to just throw Flynn under the bus for lying to Pence. You see, the Trump admin does hold people accountable, unlike the Dems.
Also, on the good news, Flynn was the big "War with Iran" flag carrier on the Trump admin, so a lot of the pressure on that front should be reduced.
On the less good news, I see this lasting on the news cycle as much as Manafort resigning during the campaign.
Is your first paragraph sarcasm?
Flynn may be one of the Iran war supporters, but there was at least Mattis. You can bet on Bannon and his acolytes pushing this if China falls through.
edit: Trump himself may be on board if his twitter and real life arguments with the Iranian government ramp up again. I don't know whether he hates them more or less than the Chinese.
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
People on Trump Land pretty much seem happy to just throw Flynn under the bus for lying to Pence. You see, the Trump admin does hold people accountable, unlike the Dems.
Also, on the good news, Flynn was the big "War with Iran" flag carrier on the Trump admin, so a lot of the pressure on that front should be reduced.
On the less good news, I see this lasting on the news cycle as much as Manafort resigning during the campaign.
Is your first paragraph sarcasm?
Flynn may be one of the Iran war supporters, but there was at least Mattis. You can bet on Bannon and his acolytes pushing this if China falls through.
edit: Trump himself may be on board if his twitter and real life arguments with the Iranian government ramp up again. I don't know whether he hates them more or less than the Chinese.
Flynn was the one least able to conceal his naked glee at the prospect of invading Iran. Mattis is also obsessed with Iran, but he at least doesn't seem as unhinged as Flynn.
Mind you, just because Flynn has resigned doesn't mean his influence is gone. Remember that Lewandowski was still in the campaign after his firing. I'm not at all confident that Trump himself doesn't view the resignation as anything but a minor formality that doesn't really change the BFF relationship between them
People on Trump Land pretty much seem happy to just throw Flynn under the bus for lying to Pence. You see, the Trump admin does hold people accountable, unlike the Dems.
Also, on the good news, Flynn was the big "War with Iran" flag carrier on the Trump admin, so a lot of the pressure on that front should be reduced.
On the less good news, I see this lasting on the news cycle as much as Manafort resigning during the campaign.
Is your first paragraph sarcasm?
Flynn may be one of the Iran war supporters, but there was at least Mattis. You can bet on Bannon and his acolytes pushing this if China falls through.
edit: Trump himself may be on board if his twitter and real life arguments with the Iranian government ramp up again. I don't know whether he hates them more or less than the Chinese.
Flynn was the one least able to conceal his naked glee at the prospect of invading Iran. Mattis is also obsessed with Iran, but he at least doesn't seem as unhinged as Flynn.
Mind you, just because Flynn has resigned doesn't mean his influence is gone. Remember that Lewandowski was still in the campaign after his firing. I'm not at all confident that Trump himself doesn't view the resignation as anything but a minor formality that doesn't really change the BFF relationship between them
If it's one thing this admin seems to understand zero of it's separation of official and unofficial roles.
Flynn will probably end up on Fox as an "independent" panelist on Trump now
I fully expect that more and more cabinet members will be thrown under the bus as the administration continues to accumulate scandals.
True, but as long as there's fodder for the grist mill, the man at the top can keep on kicking.
The only 2 cabinets/admins I can think of with this much grift/corruption in them are Harding and Grant. Harding had the good taste to die in the middle of his 3rd year, but Grant got reelected and America got 8 years of nepotistic bullshit, instead of the usual 4.
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Hopefully the intelligence community can get enough dirt on Bannon that Trump is forced to fire him like this.
I agree with the sentiment behind this statement, but I feel uncomfortable with condoning meddling by what should be an impartial government organization. I will admit that I see a difference between "dirt" and collusion with a foreign government as in the case with Flynn.
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Hopefully the intelligence community can get enough dirt on Bannon that Trump is forced to fire him like this.
I agree with the sentiment behind this statement, but I feel uncomfortable with condoning meddling by what should be an impartial government organization. I will admit that I see a difference between "dirt" and collusion with a foreign government as in the case with Flynn.
I fully expect that more and more cabinet members will be thrown under the bus as the administration continues to accumulate scandals.
I can only hope so but again with the lack of separation between unofficial and official roles, I fear that it could make a lot of the worst people even more powerful as they have no shame and embarrassment and being unofficial would get them off the hook and unbound by usual rules and regulations that someone in an official role might still have. Of course, if no one actually believes in, follows, or enforces those rules and regulations, does it even matter?
So, I try not to open it up too often for sake of my own sanity, but I keep a tabs on... you know, that subreddit full of Trump fans.
They seem pretty stunned, they're just starting to hear about it. Couple calls to find the leaks in the White House and fire them all. That it's the GOP establishment making a power play (they hate them almost as much as they hate us liberals). At least one "Technically, we dunno Trump has ACCEPTED the resignation".
Obviously it's only an hour in so, grain of salt. But it seems way more muted than usual for them. At least some of them seem to understand that this is serious.
I'm surprised it's not the usual "FUCK YEAH 5D CHESS!" and "30 moves ahead!"
Probably by tomorrow once they convince themselves of a conspiracy theory. I am gonna look in on them tomorrow morning, see what they've come up with.
I've spotted one. A guy on Twitter claiming that Flynn was a "sacrificial stooge" put in the White House to "root out moles."
I've also seen some other guy claiming Flynn is a Democrat and now the left are "smearing one of their own" because of the betrayal. Not sure if that counts as a conspiracy.
Morning comes. They still seem pretty lackluster. Content to throw him under the bus, as it were. Couple of tepid comments that maybe the media will get distracted by this so Trump can work. A few tentative probes into whether there is a CIA conspiracy against MAGA.
Still more muted than I expected. I think they really don't know how to spin this yet. It goes against their central narrative of 'Always winning all the time'.
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There is at least one more moderate Trump supporter subreddit I know of, and the early consensus there is 'We're not sure how to react to this'
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MayabirdPecking at the keyboardRegistered Userregular
People are waiting for their orders on how to react?
If we had a functioning congress this resignation would be red meat for them. There is zero chance flynn freelanced those contacts with russia like that without either direct or tacit approval directly from Trump to do so. And given Trumps weirdly meek behavior towards russia it seems likely flynn did exactly what he was told to do.
If it was a scandal for him to do it what is it for the president elect to have these kinds of dealings while not yet in office. The trump admin better pray the dems never get a majority in either house while he is in president or he is going to have some serious trouble.
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
How in the fuck does Manchin not understand that you can't work with these treasonous assholes anymore? Only D voting for Mnuchin... :tell_me_more:
Primary his worthless ass out of here.
Manchin is a Democratic senator from a state that should not have elected a Democrat. It is not surprising that he will frequently be a pain.
I do not think primarying Manchin is likely to result in West Virginia electing a further left Democrat.
I am certainly bitter that Manchin is a...hold on...let me rustle into my old terminology bag...and...voila! A DINO! And i'm all about pushing Democrats towards Tea Party-type electoral pressure. But this is the one slice of old school conventional wisdom I will concede.
I still think West Virginian Democrats, wherever you are (*clears throat* MCELROYS) should turn up at his town halls and berate him tho
How in the fuck does Manchin not understand that you can't work with these treasonous assholes anymore? Only D voting for Mnuchin... :tell_me_more:
Primary his worthless ass out of here.
Manchin is a Democratic senator from a state that should not have elected a Democrat. It is not surprising that he will frequently be a pain.
I do not think primarying Manchin is likely to result in West Virginia electing a further left Democrat.
I am certainly bitter that Manchin is a...hold on...let me rustle into my old terminology bag...and...voila! A DINO! And i'm all about pushing Democrats towards Tea Party-type electoral pressure. But this is the one slice of old school conventional wisdom I will concede.
I still think West Virginian Democrats, wherever you are (*clears throat* MCELROYS) should turn up at his town halls and berate him tho
DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
christ, what a shit show. would not be surprised if one of the reasons Flynn was let go was to insulate Trump from the Russia stuff; however, this move is likely too late for that. especially considering that Trump was warned some time ago by Sally Yates about Flynn. I suspect that the Russia stuff is going to re-ignite, aided by the pushing of the portion of the deep state that hates trump.
Petraeus has a god complex of his own that I'm not a fan of (and a legion of supporters that makes that dangerous even now), but I can't deny it would be hilarious see that bashing against Trump's narcissism.
I think patraeus in some ways would be a competent steady pick but I think my brain would explode if he got a security clearance after doing even worse shenanigans and got caught for it. Picking him would be red meat for the dems to flame up the news cycle again for a few weeks.
That said I think nearly anybody who gets the nod is probably a better pick than Flynn was for the safety of our nation. Anybody who is that far down the concspiracy theory rabbit hole really does not need to be that close to the levers of power.
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
Petraeus has a god complex of his own that I'm not a fan of (and a legion of supporters that makes that dangerous even now), but I can't deny it would be hilarious see that bashing against Trump's narcissism.
I think patraeus in some ways would be a competent steady pick but I think my brain would explode if he got a security clearance after doing even worse shenanigans and got caught for it. Picking him would be red meat for the dems to flame up the news cycle again for a few weeks.
That said I think nearly anybody who gets the nod is probably a better pick than Flynn was for the safety of our nation. Anybody who is that far down the concspiracy theory rabbit hole really does not need to be that close to the levers of power.
christ, what a shit show. would not be surprised if one of the reasons Flynn was let go was to insulate Trump from the Russia stuff; however, this move is likely too late for that. especially considering that Trump was warned some time ago by Sally Yates about Flynn. I suspect that the Russia stuff is going to re-ignite, aided by the pushing of the portion of the deep state that hates trump.
Yeah hopefully our media doesn't act like he was the one bad apple, because clearly he was a symptom not the cause.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So Flynn is out. Good, because that guy was fucking gross.
Has any administration ever lost a major cabinet member like this in the first month? I've never seen anything like this before.
It's definitely the shortest tenure of the National Security Advisor ever. As for the cabinet in general, far as I can figure out (though it's hard to find info quickly, just a lot of sifting), this is absolutely unprecedented in the US. Stuff like this does happen in other countries that are not renowned for their stability and capability, though. That's a bad sign for the future of the US, but we already knew we were falling down the banana republic hole fast.
christ, what a shit show. would not be surprised if one of the reasons Flynn was let go was to insulate Trump from the Russia stuff; however, this move is likely too late for that. especially considering that Trump was warned some time ago by Sally Yates about Flynn. I suspect that the Russia stuff is going to re-ignite, aided by the pushing of the portion of the deep state that hates trump.
Yeah hopefully our media doesn't act like he was the one bad apple, because clearly he was a symptom not the cause.
Judging by the reporting in the past 12 months, I wouldn't put it past them that now they declare the problems with Russian involvment to be over and done with, now that Flynn has resigned.
Which is bullshit of course, but despite the biting back since he took office, I doubt the media is ready to go on a full offensive about this.
That's a bad sign for the future of the US, but we already knew we were falling down the banana republic hole fast.
That gives me an idea, maybe we can have all the tech companies collude and lock Bannon, Trump, and their cronies in a giant AR/VR version of Tropico and let them play El Presidente to their hearts' content.
Or at least hope and pray that the press keeps pressure up and enough of our judicial and intelligence services are still somewhat principled and keep knocking the bad apples out of the tree. At least force them to appoint competent people, instead of toadies.
No matter where you go...there you are. ~ Buckaroo Banzai
Rosmarin also recalled a Miller speech during a campaign for student council elections in which he attacked the requirement that students put their trash in garbage bins, saying that janitors were paid to do that.
Jesus Christ of course he said this as a teenager. The party of personal responsibility sure attracts a lot of arrogant lazy and selfish assholes who are convinced they aren't required to do anything if they have the money to make others do it
He's a College Republican, man.
You don't get there by not being this kind of asshole.
The College Republicans would be a respectable organisation if it wasn't for the fact that it is full of College Republicans.
They are a special breed of asshole.
The College Republicans have been a troll factory for over a decade and probably much longer. They've been developing, growing, encouraging assholes whose duties are to make a lot of noise and get attention for themselves while crying oppression. I remember one woman in particular from my college who went to classes only to disrupt them, screaming GOP talking points completely out of context to whatever was being taught just so she could get herself thrown out of those classes (since nobody else could get any learning done otherwise) and then would run to the media claiming that "conservative voices" were being purged from "liberal universities" and that she's being oppressed. She wasn't subtle enough or was too woman for them or something though so she got discarded and forgotten. The troll factory fine with ruining thousands of people to find those few dozens that could be exploited further.
christ, what a shit show. would not be surprised if one of the reasons Flynn was let go was to insulate Trump from the Russia stuff; however, this move is likely too late for that. especially considering that Trump was warned some time ago by Sally Yates about Flynn. I suspect that the Russia stuff is going to re-ignite, aided by the pushing of the portion of the deep state that hates trump.
Yeah hopefully our media doesn't act like he was the one bad apple, because clearly he was a symptom not the cause.
Judging by the reporting in the past 12 months, I wouldn't put it past them that now they declare the problems with Russian involvment to be over and done with, now that Flynn has resigned.
Which is bullshit of course, but despite the biting back since he took office, I doubt the media is ready to go on a full offensive about this.
I hope I am wrong.
Russia stuff didn't stop when Manafort resigned, I don't think it will stop now.
Importantly, I think this isn't being driven by the media, it is being driven by the IC leaking info which the media can't help but print because holy shit. What remains to be seen is, was Flynn the target all along (IC hated Flynn), or is there more? Will the leakers still be motivated?
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Has any administration ever lost a major cabinet member like this in the first month? I've never seen anything like this before.
Also, on the good news, Flynn was the big "War with Iran" flag carrier on the Trump admin, so a lot of the pressure on that front should be reduced.
On the less good news, I see this lasting on the news cycle as much as Manafort resigning during the campaign.
Is your first paragraph sarcasm?
Flynn may be one of the Iran war supporters, but there was at least Mattis. You can bet on Bannon and his acolytes pushing this if China falls through.
edit: Trump himself may be on board if his twitter and real life arguments with the Iranian government ramp up again. I don't know whether he hates them more or less than the Chinese.
Flynn was the one least able to conceal his naked glee at the prospect of invading Iran. Mattis is also obsessed with Iran, but he at least doesn't seem as unhinged as Flynn.
Mind you, just because Flynn has resigned doesn't mean his influence is gone. Remember that Lewandowski was still in the campaign after his firing. I'm not at all confident that Trump himself doesn't view the resignation as anything but a minor formality that doesn't really change the BFF relationship between them
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If it's one thing this admin seems to understand zero of it's separation of official and unofficial roles.
Flynn will probably end up on Fox as an "independent" panelist on Trump now
Primary his worthless ass out of here.
Thought he was voting for himself?
Do not engage the Watermelons.
I do not think primarying Manchin is likely to result in West Virginia electing a further left Democrat.
Simply put, if Manchin is primaried you will instead have a far right Republican in his place.
True, but as long as there's fodder for the grist mill, the man at the top can keep on kicking.
The only 2 cabinets/admins I can think of with this much grift/corruption in them are Harding and Grant. Harding had the good taste to die in the middle of his 3rd year, but Grant got reelected and America got 8 years of nepotistic bullshit, instead of the usual 4.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
I agree with the sentiment behind this statement, but I feel uncomfortable with condoning meddling by what should be an impartial government organization. I will admit that I see a difference between "dirt" and collusion with a foreign government as in the case with Flynn.
Law and Order ≠ Justice
the FBI already got Trump elected man
I am perfectly fine with our intelligence community working against fascists, both at home and abroad.
Do not engage the Watermelons.
I can only hope so but again with the lack of separation between unofficial and official roles, I fear that it could make a lot of the worst people even more powerful as they have no shame and embarrassment and being unofficial would get them off the hook and unbound by usual rules and regulations that someone in an official role might still have. Of course, if no one actually believes in, follows, or enforces those rules and regulations, does it even matter?
Morning comes. They still seem pretty lackluster. Content to throw him under the bus, as it were. Couple of tepid comments that maybe the media will get distracted by this so Trump can work. A few tentative probes into whether there is a CIA conspiracy against MAGA.
Still more muted than I expected. I think they really don't know how to spin this yet. It goes against their central narrative of 'Always winning all the time'.
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There is at least one more moderate Trump supporter subreddit I know of, and the early consensus there is 'We're not sure how to react to this'
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
That's what it feels like.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
If it was a scandal for him to do it what is it for the president elect to have these kinds of dealings while not yet in office. The trump admin better pray the dems never get a majority in either house while he is in president or he is going to have some serious trouble.
I am certainly bitter that Manchin is a...hold on...let me rustle into my old terminology bag...and...voila! A DINO! And i'm all about pushing Democrats towards Tea Party-type electoral pressure. But this is the one slice of old school conventional wisdom I will concede.
I still think West Virginian Democrats, wherever you are (*clears throat* MCELROYS) should turn up at his town halls and berate him tho
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they do!
(they are vastly outnumbered)
I think patraeus in some ways would be a competent steady pick but I think my brain would explode if he got a security clearance after doing even worse shenanigans and got caught for it. Picking him would be red meat for the dems to flame up the news cycle again for a few weeks.
That said I think nearly anybody who gets the nod is probably a better pick than Flynn was for the safety of our nation. Anybody who is that far down the concspiracy theory rabbit hole really does not need to be that close to the levers of power.
you mean like the President of the United States?
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You think Snowden is still confident about Russia's plan to turn him back over?
Do not engage the Watermelons.
Yeah hopefully our media doesn't act like he was the one bad apple, because clearly he was a symptom not the cause.
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It's definitely the shortest tenure of the National Security Advisor ever. As for the cabinet in general, far as I can figure out (though it's hard to find info quickly, just a lot of sifting), this is absolutely unprecedented in the US. Stuff like this does happen in other countries that are not renowned for their stability and capability, though. That's a bad sign for the future of the US, but we already knew we were falling down the banana republic hole fast.
Judging by the reporting in the past 12 months, I wouldn't put it past them that now they declare the problems with Russian involvment to be over and done with, now that Flynn has resigned.
Which is bullshit of course, but despite the biting back since he took office, I doubt the media is ready to go on a full offensive about this.
I hope I am wrong.
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What? Neglect to mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day? Attack John Lewis the weekend of Martin Luther King Day? Those weren't real holidays
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That gives me an idea, maybe we can have all the tech companies collude and lock Bannon, Trump, and their cronies in a giant AR/VR version of Tropico and let them play El Presidente to their hearts' content.
Or at least hope and pray that the press keeps pressure up and enough of our judicial and intelligence services are still somewhat principled and keep knocking the bad apples out of the tree. At least force them to appoint competent people, instead of toadies.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
The College Republicans have been a troll factory for over a decade and probably much longer. They've been developing, growing, encouraging assholes whose duties are to make a lot of noise and get attention for themselves while crying oppression. I remember one woman in particular from my college who went to classes only to disrupt them, screaming GOP talking points completely out of context to whatever was being taught just so she could get herself thrown out of those classes (since nobody else could get any learning done otherwise) and then would run to the media claiming that "conservative voices" were being purged from "liberal universities" and that she's being oppressed. She wasn't subtle enough or was too woman for them or something though so she got discarded and forgotten. The troll factory fine with ruining thousands of people to find those few dozens that could be exploited further.
Russia stuff didn't stop when Manafort resigned, I don't think it will stop now.
Importantly, I think this isn't being driven by the media, it is being driven by the IC leaking info which the media can't help but print because holy shit. What remains to be seen is, was Flynn the target all along (IC hated Flynn), or is there more? Will the leakers still be motivated?