Putin has people killed for his convenience. Duterte takes time out of his own schedule to kill people because it's fun.
And, as has been pointed out a lot, Putin never pulled the trigger or gave the word. He created a system where doing so for him advances ones career under him.
Duterte definitely gave the word, and boasts that he regularly pulls the trigger. He is the Wilson Fisk to Putin's Vito Corleone.
Putin has people killed for his convenience. Duterte takes time out of his own schedule to kill people because it's fun.
And, as has been pointed out a lot, Putin never pulled the trigger or gave the word. He created a system where doing so for him advances ones career under him.
Duterte definitely gave the word, and boasts that he regularly pulls the trigger. He is the Wilson Fisk to Putin's Vito Corleone.
Have any of them been U.S. citizens? If the president was anyone but Trump, I'd be assuming that Duterte probably wouldn't be going home after the meeting.
Putin has people killed for his convenience. Duterte takes time out of his own schedule to kill people because it's fun.
And, as has been pointed out a lot, Putin never pulled the trigger or gave the word. He created a system where doing so for him advances ones career under him.
Duterte definitely gave the word, and boasts that he regularly pulls the trigger. He is the Wilson Fisk to Putin's Vito Corleone.
Both terrible
Putin's way probably altogether worse than the other
We should as a nation decry both of them
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If we use active personnel per capita, the US ranks slightly higher at 53 with 4.6. Canada would come in right below at 54 with 4.5.
We made top ten?
I'm not sure how i feel about this acchievement.
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You're at #64 when counting just active personnel. I assume this is the result of some policy in which all Finns are all considered reserve personnel, which may or may not be actually reflected in factual military capability.
It's likely the same reason why SK is #2, compulsory military service
Also, that number for Canada is hilariously wrong. According to the Canadian Forces itself it has somewhere between 80 and 90000 total, including reserves
On the flipside of wrongness, Singapore - 400k is just the reservists active at any one time, due to the 10year call up cycle. The mandatory service and lower levels of call-up means they actually have a total pool of around 1.4million reservists to draw on if necessary.
Putin has people killed for his convenience. Duterte takes time out of his own schedule to kill people because it's fun.
And, as has been pointed out a lot, Putin never pulled the trigger or gave the word. He created a system where doing so for him advances ones career under him.
Duterte definitely gave the word, and boasts that he regularly pulls the trigger. He is the Wilson Fisk to Putin's Vito Corleone.
Hell no. Wilson Fisk is a sophisticated criminal genius.
SEOUL—White House national-security chief Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster told his South Korean counterpart that the U.S. would pay for a missile-defense system designed to protect against a North Korean missile attack, apparently reversing President Donald Trump’s remark on Thursday that South Korea should pay for the roughly $1 billion battery.
In a 35-minute phone call Sunday morning, Gen. McMaster told Kim Kwan-jin, South Korea’s national-security adviser, that the U.S. would finance Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense, or Thaad, as agreed to by the two countries last year, according to a statement from South Korea’s presidential Blue House.
This will get really interesting depending on how Trump reacts and what can do about this if he wants to shut it down. If he does McMaster and SK better pray he doesn't hear about this until it's too late.
Considering how Trump has the attention span of a petulant child and can't read more than half a page at a time without getting bored, it's really easy to keep him from finding out about stuff. Trump hasn't said a thing about Venezuela nationalizing the GM plant probably because they put it on page two where he wouldn't get around to it. They can all pretend they did their due diligence by having it on record, but never got around to it because Trump started whining ten minutes in that this was hard and he wanted his phone.
McMaster and Mattis seem smart and competent enough to figure this out and work around Trump, behind his back, though it does scare me in the long run if/when the military starts operating as its own organization separate from the government.
This all falls apart when Trump sees that on Fox News or Morning Joe.
By the way when we're unpacking all the reasons for the White House extending an invitation to the batshit crazy President of the Philippines let's not forget that Trump's newest tower is located in Manila.
I feel like we need a new variant of Murphy's Law when it comes to Trump, which states that, when trying to understand why he's doing something, the answer involving corruption/grifting is probably the correct one.
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If/when there is an answer. I'd say it's at best 50-50 that there's even a method to his madness
There's no reason to think it can't be a combination of international hotelery shenanigans, an opportunity to dominate the news with his antics and an expression of his acute man-crushing on murderous despots.
OMFG --> Trump was planning to time his announcement about withdrawing from #NAFTA to ruin the #WHCD on Saturday.
And from the NY Times article accompanying the tweet.
White House officials had hoped to further vex the journalists by having Mr. Trump announce news in Harrisburg, which would spoil their evening, forcing them to set down their forks and knives and go to work.
But a plan for the president to announce in Harrisburg that the United States was pulling out of the North American Free Trade Agreement fell through when Mr. Trump decided, after urgent phone calls on Wednesday from the leaders of Canada and Mexico, not to do it — at least for now.
Trump acts like a spoiled, bratty child amongst other things. He sees others as personal enemies when they're anything but and is willing to wreck a nation in order to score revenge points out of some sort of odd, impersonal spite. We've covered that those points before, but whereas we seemed to be talking in theoretical terms this is very much the practice of it. Had it not been for Mexico and Canada's intervention, we'd be looking at an instant economic depression. Possibly a world wide one at that since pulling out of NAFTA would have tanked more than one economy. Has the GOP leaders just abandoned Trump to his own people? Have they decided he just can't be worked with to the point of letting him off any sort of leash in order to maintain their power?
Is this really happening? This is insane.
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Have we talked about how Trump said he'd be honored to meet the dictator of North Korea yet?
“If it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, I would absolutely, I would be honored to do it,” Trump said Monday in an interview with Bloomberg News. “If it’s under the, again, under the right circumstances. But I would do that.”
I can appreciate dropping the belligerance, but that's a serious over-correct.
Have we talked about how Trump said he'd be honored to meet the dictator of North Korea yet?
“If it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, I would absolutely, I would be honored to do it,” Trump said Monday in an interview with Bloomberg News. “If it’s under the, again, under the right circumstances. But I would do that.”
I can appreciate dropping the belligerance, but that's a serious over-correct.
Remember when Obama got shit for bowing? Yeah neither does anyone else.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm imaging some sort of competition with Obama. "He killed the perpetrator of the worst terror attack in recent memory AND attended the WHCD? Well I'm going to crash the economy and NOT attend! That'll show em. Sad!"
I'd like to think there'd be enough push back from inside against Duterte to keep him from visiting the White House if only because of the massive protests it was cause and how it might send his approval ratings back down below 40%
One senior Toronto bank executive said Gary Cohn and Steven Mnuchin —former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executives now serving as chairman of the White House National Economic Council and as Treasury Secretary, respectively—have on a few occasions reached out to senior Canadian business officials in recent weeks to counsel them that despite the internal Trump administration divides over trade policies, they expect no significant Nafta changes.
One senior Toronto bank executive said Gary Cohn and Steven Mnuchin —former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executives now serving as chairman of the White House National Economic Council and as Treasury Secretary, respectively—have on a few occasions reached out to senior Canadian business officials in recent weeks to counsel them that despite the internal Trump administration divides over trade policies, they expect no significant Nafta changes.
One senior Toronto bank executive said Gary Cohn and Steven Mnuchin —former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executives now serving as chairman of the White House National Economic Council and as Treasury Secretary, respectively—have on a few occasions reached out to senior Canadian business officials in recent weeks to counsel them that despite the internal Trump administration divides over trade policies, they expect no significant Nafta changes.
It seems pretty obvious that most, if not all, of Trump's administration is desperately trying to keep him from announcing publicly that he'll cancel NAFTA, because once he does that, the cat's out of the bag.
One senior Toronto bank executive said Gary Cohn and Steven Mnuchin —former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executives now serving as chairman of the White House National Economic Council and as Treasury Secretary, respectively—have on a few occasions reached out to senior Canadian business officials in recent weeks to counsel them that despite the internal Trump administration divides over trade policies, they expect no significant Nafta changes.
It seems pretty obvious that most, if not all, of Trump's administration is desperately trying to keep him from announcing publicly that he'll cancel NAFTA, because once he does that, the cat's out of the bag.
I would wager most of the government that Trump hasn't actually destroyed are spending a lot of undeclared overtime trying to contain Trump's insanity
One senior Toronto bank executive said Gary Cohn and Steven Mnuchin —former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executives now serving as chairman of the White House National Economic Council and as Treasury Secretary, respectively—have on a few occasions reached out to senior Canadian business officials in recent weeks to counsel them that despite the internal Trump administration divides over trade policies, they expect no significant Nafta changes.
the normalization of bigotry and extrajudicial state sanctioned force is heartbreaking, and that's the first time I've used that word about something Trump has done, which isn't to say it's the worst thing he's done, but the thing that makes me worry most about the long term viablitity of civil society and human rights. he is most likely already on board with Narendra Modi's Hindu supremacist dogwhistling in India as well, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them get all synergistic with each other.
I worry about the prospects for open societies in the third world. if a country hasn't already developed to first world status, it's very unclear whether they can develop strong democratic institutions or even keep what they have.
and the electorate willingly votes it away.
Brexit is horrible, Trump is a daily existential crisis, but for people being shot on the street in the philippines and lynched by roving mobs in India, with no end to the atrocities or political climate that enables them, it's a whole new level.
unfortunately sometimes there isn't a choice. Every People's Republic of China head of state has blood on their hands, even if not in such a crude and shameless way as Duterte. Black jails, undocumented abductions, organ harvesting from executed felons, a justice system that prosecutes activists and political prisoners and regular civillians who pissed off the wrong cadre alongside actual criminals, and the memory of a student massacre in 1989 that it still does not allow its citizens to discuss.
But they can't afford not to meet Xi Jinping.
Narendra Modi was barred entry to the US and UK because of the fallout surrounding his more-mass-murdery-than-not rhetoric and alleged conduct during a 2002 pogrom against Muslims in the region he then governed.
Once he was elected prime minister of the second most populous country in the world that happened to be one of the biggest forecasted growth markets, the ban got swept under the carpet in a hurry and the ModiBama bromance, like Hiddleswift, was born.
i think the issue becomes rhetoric and not action. Like yeah you could argue that most nations leaders have blood on their hands, but a line is crossed when they boldly and plainly boast about it in the most crude fashion possible. It normalises in a much more direct way. Whether its more damaging or not im not sure, but I feel like its two separate issues.
i think the issue becomes rhetoric and not action. Like yeah you could argue that most nations leaders have blood on their hands, but a line is crossed when they boldly and plainly boast about it in the most crude fashion possible. It normalises in a much more direct way. Whether its more damaging or not im not sure, but I feel like its two separate issues.
Sure, but these other people, the specific examples, the heads of state from India and China aren't all that bashful about it either.
In 2005, when Narendra Modi was the chief minister of the wealthy Indian state of Gujarat, local police murdered a criminal called Sheikh Sohrabuddin in cold blood. At an election rally in 2007 for the ruling Hindu nationalist BJP, Modi assured his citizens that Sohrabuddin “got what he deserved”. What should be done, he asked, to a man found possessing illegal arms? The pumped-up crowd shouted back: “Mari nakho-mari nakho!” (Kill him, kill him!)
I wouldn't argue that most national leaders have blood on their hands, and I would differentiate between leaders that murder domestically and leaders whose foreign policy decisions cause foreign casualties. The domestic murders are unjustifiable.
To compare China with Russia, China's government has been a lot more legitimized than Putin's, while both murder and torture dissidents at a similar rate- if anything, China likely does it more given the scale of their government. But one is openly called a killer even in the No Spin Zone (RIP) while the other is Trump and Obama's buddy.
My point is that it's sad, but also that once someone becomes geopolitically or economically valuable, as Duterte presumably has, they get a pass. And that's not something that has changed between last year and now.
But I do agree that the optics of it, (what is that, the new buzzword around here?) given Duterte's savage rhetoric, look worse.
In a speech at Camarines Sur in the northern Philippines on Tuesday, Duterte reportedly recounted throwing an alleged kidnapper to his death — furnishing details about how high the pilot had to fly — while he was mayor of Davao City, according to local newspaper the Philippine Star.
“If you are corrupt, I will fetch you with a helicopter and I will throw you out on the way to Manila,” the newspaper quoted him as saying in Tagalog during the speech. “I have done that before, why should I not do it again?”
"I go around in Davao with a motorcycle, with a big bike around and I would just patrol the streets and looking [sic] for trouble also.
"I was really looking for an encounter to be able to kill."
Mr Duterte has repeatedly said drug suspects were only killed under his anti-drug crackdown as mayor, and now as President, when they fought back and threatened law enforcers.
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And, as has been pointed out a lot, Putin never pulled the trigger or gave the word. He created a system where doing so for him advances ones career under him.
Duterte definitely gave the word, and boasts that he regularly pulls the trigger. He is the Wilson Fisk to Putin's Vito Corleone.
Have any of them been U.S. citizens? If the president was anyone but Trump, I'd be assuming that Duterte probably wouldn't be going home after the meeting.
Both terrible
Putin's way probably altogether worse than the other
We should as a nation decry both of them
I didn't see them in the list upthread...
Hell no. Wilson Fisk is a sophisticated criminal genius.
Duterte's more of a Scarface near's I can tell.
This all falls apart when Trump sees that on Fox News or Morning Joe.
None of these things are mutually exclusive.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
And from the NY Times article accompanying the tweet.
Trump acts like a spoiled, bratty child amongst other things. He sees others as personal enemies when they're anything but and is willing to wreck a nation in order to score revenge points out of some sort of odd, impersonal spite. We've covered that those points before, but whereas we seemed to be talking in theoretical terms this is very much the practice of it. Had it not been for Mexico and Canada's intervention, we'd be looking at an instant economic depression. Possibly a world wide one at that since pulling out of NAFTA would have tanked more than one economy. Has the GOP leaders just abandoned Trump to his own people? Have they decided he just can't be worked with to the point of letting him off any sort of leash in order to maintain their power?
Is this really happening? This is insane.
I can appreciate dropping the belligerance, but that's a serious over-correct.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Remember when Obama got shit for bowing? Yeah neither does anyone else.
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I'm imaging some sort of competition with Obama. "He killed the perpetrator of the worst terror attack in recent memory AND attended the WHCD? Well I'm going to crash the economy and NOT attend! That'll show em. Sad!"
he might actually have some form of untreated mental illness
he seems legitimately unhinged and totally unfazed by reality
He is murdering drug users.
FTFY. I mean, sure he's probably killed a lot of drug users, too, but it's 50/50 if they were killed for that or for being one of the other things.
http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-america-saved-nafta-2017-5
The spice must flow.
It seems pretty obvious that most, if not all, of Trump's administration is desperately trying to keep him from announcing publicly that he'll cancel NAFTA, because once he does that, the cat's out of the bag.
I would wager most of the government that Trump hasn't actually destroyed are spending a lot of undeclared overtime trying to contain Trump's insanity
it's like a body trying to fight an infection
Which means someone should tell Fox and Friends.
Fortune passes everywhere.
Citation needed?
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-icc-complaint.html
the normalization of bigotry and extrajudicial state sanctioned force is heartbreaking, and that's the first time I've used that word about something Trump has done, which isn't to say it's the worst thing he's done, but the thing that makes me worry most about the long term viablitity of civil society and human rights. he is most likely already on board with Narendra Modi's Hindu supremacist dogwhistling in India as well, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them get all synergistic with each other.
I worry about the prospects for open societies in the third world. if a country hasn't already developed to first world status, it's very unclear whether they can develop strong democratic institutions or even keep what they have.
and the electorate willingly votes it away.
Brexit is horrible, Trump is a daily existential crisis, but for people being shot on the street in the philippines and lynched by roving mobs in India, with no end to the atrocities or political climate that enables them, it's a whole new level.
unfortunately sometimes there isn't a choice. Every People's Republic of China head of state has blood on their hands, even if not in such a crude and shameless way as Duterte. Black jails, undocumented abductions, organ harvesting from executed felons, a justice system that prosecutes activists and political prisoners and regular civillians who pissed off the wrong cadre alongside actual criminals, and the memory of a student massacre in 1989 that it still does not allow its citizens to discuss.
But they can't afford not to meet Xi Jinping.
Narendra Modi was barred entry to the US and UK because of the fallout surrounding his more-mass-murdery-than-not rhetoric and alleged conduct during a 2002 pogrom against Muslims in the region he then governed.
Once he was elected prime minister of the second most populous country in the world that happened to be one of the biggest forecasted growth markets, the ban got swept under the carpet in a hurry and the ModiBama bromance, like Hiddleswift, was born.
Sure, but these other people, the specific examples, the heads of state from India and China aren't all that bashful about it either.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/09/narendra-modi-the-divisive-manipulator-who-charmed-the-world
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/joe-biden-to-authoritarian-chinese-president-u-s-only-supports-human-rights-as-political-imperative/
I wouldn't argue that most national leaders have blood on their hands, and I would differentiate between leaders that murder domestically and leaders whose foreign policy decisions cause foreign casualties. The domestic murders are unjustifiable.
To compare China with Russia, China's government has been a lot more legitimized than Putin's, while both murder and torture dissidents at a similar rate- if anything, China likely does it more given the scale of their government. But one is openly called a killer even in the No Spin Zone (RIP) while the other is Trump and Obama's buddy.
My point is that it's sad, but also that once someone becomes geopolitically or economically valuable, as Duterte presumably has, they get a pass. And that's not something that has changed between last year and now.
But I do agree that the optics of it, (what is that, the new buzzword around here?) given Duterte's savage rhetoric, look worse.
It's worse than you think - if this is true it's James Bond villain type shit.
http://time.com/4618726/rodrigo-duterte-helicopter-crime-murder/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-15/rodrigo-duterte-says-he-personally-killed-people-when-mayor/8122768
I guess that cake wasn't that delicious after all.
The odds of Trump discovering THAAD have done up this week.