It's a bit worrying that they're cramming three of BP's villains into his first movie. Suggests they don't plant to reuse many of them.
My weak hope is that it means they're going to stop shelving/killing all their villains in a single movie. T'Challa already got his introduction--this movie is the introduction for his rogues gallery.
I'm fairly confident Klaw will live, but the others... although I'm also guessing M'Baku won't be a full on villain, but rather a minor antagonistic character. Probably that one guy on a Wakandan governmental council who criticizes T'Challa's actions and is more bigoted towards outsiders.
I wonder if the Namor stuff is because they see the Aquaman solo movie coming like a juggernaut, and they know full well that if it picks up any steam there's really no point in ever introducing Namor.
I doubt anything DC is doing is of considerable concern to Marvel. The beauty of their model is that once theyve introduced Namor as part of their brand they have a pre-existing audience.
Also I realize that some people here are excited for Aquaman but gotta say I find calling his upcoming movie a juggernaut seems overly optemistic. Aquaman has a hard road to walk. It shouldnt matter but the dumb "aquaman is lame" memes have stuck in the public conciousness. Superman suffered a similar problem. A bunch of people who believed with certainty that Superman is perfect and boring and cant be challenged. MoS put a lot of effort towards combating that perception in its advertising and it just didnt work. Those people still stayed home and when the movie turned out to suck they blamed Superman despite it making no sense. Aquaman had the same problem without also having a large fanbase.
Peter only came back in the Ultimate Universe to definitively pass the torch to Miles and leave the life behind him of his own choosing.
I ended up not sticking around with Miles once the Ultimate universe ended because - at that point - the only reason why I kept reading that book was because it was fairly standalone and had little to do with any other book. And yes, I did get frustrated when there were random events that broke up the middle of the story.
I must say, giving Miles a God Touch OKHO was a preeeeeeetty bad idea.
The problem is more with Bendis always using it to solve anything, more than the power itself. Doesn't the 616 Spider Woman have a similar power she barely ever uses?
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616 Spider-woman has a spider sting that hurts a bit or shocks you.
Miles has basically a God Finger that will destroy you.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I should catch up with Hopeless' Spider-Woman, it's a good series
I'm not a superfan of the latest issue but it is very good! I was real worried when they announced the post-secret wars hook of her being pregnant but single mom Spider-Woman is great.
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616 Spider-woman has a spider sting that hurts a bit or shocks you.
Miles has basically a God Finger that will destroy you.
He can also store it up and do an AoE with it now.
seriously?
I've been following the series on Unlimited, and he's done this kind of short burst AoE of his venom a few times. Works just like his venom shock, but hits everyone in an area around him even if they aren't touching him. So, like, the energy explodes off him, and then a few seconds later they fall unconscious.
I like Miles, I really want his series to succeed, but this ability that seems to be almost always effective still seems pretty bullshit.
616 Spider-woman has a spider sting that hurts a bit or shocks you.
Miles has basically a God Finger that will destroy you.
He can also store it up and do an AoE with it now.
seriously?
I've been following the series on Unlimited, and he's done this kind of short burst AoE of his venom a few times. Works just like his venom shock, but hits everyone in an area around him even if they aren't touching him. So, like, the energy explodes off him, and then a few seconds later they fall unconscious.
I like Miles, I really want his series to succeed, but this ability that seems to be almost always effective still seems pretty bullshit.
To be fair, in that issue you are referring to, it takes 2 or 3 separate bursts to take out Hammerhead (It looks like he hits Hammerhead to me when I pull up the issue with the energy blast version), who is far from the scariest Marvel villain. The only other time he has done it was at the end of the Ultimate Universe, to get out of an energy field while being pumped full of lasers. So its a rare move, and venom blast doesn't seem to be too powerful (as he has mostly used it on low level mooks and Ultimate Green Goblin and Venom). The demon thing is more impressive, but around the same time that issue came out we had the X-Men fighting off a whole army of demons in Limbo so meh. The venom blast doesn't really bother me. If it manages to take down someone like Hulk, Thor, Thanos, etc. I'll think its overpowered then.
I do agree it would be fun to see Miles have to go up against an enemy that venom blast doesn't work against, someone whose physiology isn't human enough for it to work on (like Sandman).
okay the way miles' abilities are being described are making him sound like a lame as hell video game character in an even lamer as hell game and it's really messing with me
I mean, I completely agree. At first I was like "Pshh, this hater", and then I actually read his stuff and switched over to "I deeply respect his firm stances and analyses".
If we ignore the fact that Ultimate Spider-Man is one of the greatest runs of a superhero comic ever, sure
And a lot of the other really quality stuff he's been a part of.
Like bendis has done a lot of bad stuff especially recently but its important to remember why he's been in the big chair for so long.
Im pretty sure this is a pacing problem by the by. I think bendis has a plan for resolving the venom sting and I believe that it likely could be satisfying except for the fact that he's simply taken to long to get around to it.
Its a constantly expanding problem I think. Dude needs to do some smaller runs and remember how to pace stories and not the kinda bs runs where he couches it as the beginning of a series of plot lines that somebody else will resolve.
I dunno, I was down on bendis since his gotg/kid x-men run, and CW2 has basically burned any slack I was willing to cut him into cinders.
I dont think you should cut him slack. Bad pacing is a real issue and lately even his good stuff is plagued by it. Im just saying he normally does good by ultimate Pete and miles and I trust that the conclusion for what hes doing with the venom blast will feel like something that would have been a good conclusion a year ago.
616 Spider-woman has a spider sting that hurts a bit or shocks you.
Miles has basically a God Finger that will destroy you.
He can also store it up and do an AoE with it now.
seriously?
I've been following the series on Unlimited, and he's done this kind of short burst AoE of his venom a few times. Works just like his venom shock, but hits everyone in an area around him even if they aren't touching him. So, like, the energy explodes off him, and then a few seconds later they fall unconscious.
I like Miles, I really want his series to succeed, but this ability that seems to be almost always effective still seems pretty bullshit.
I like that idea that it might be kind of a continuation of the weird-science plot point they had with the Oz formula at the end of the ultimate universe; the fact that all these characters apparently are immortal gets brought up and then just dismissed as whatever. So far it's definitely just been 'Miles gets himself into a sticky wicket... whoops venom blast!' though
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
Wait....it's still going?
About half-way. It's due to finish up by September.
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
Wait....it's still going?
About half-way. It's due to finish up by September.
You mean the post CW2 relaunch? Cus I'm pretty sure the epilogue to CW2 came out like 4 weeks ago.
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
Wait....it's still going?
About half-way. It's due to finish up by September.
You mean the post CW2 relaunch? Cus I'm pretty sure the epilogue to CW2 came out like 4 weeks ago.
Well, yes, if you want to use honesty and facts instead of outlandish jokes.
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
i've....softened on bendis
after @Balefuego wore me down and i read his daredevil, i can see what good he can do at marvel
(i always loved his indie stuff...and his sam and twitch. i really, really liked his sam and twitch)
i think his biggest issues all stem from scope. the bigger the scope, the more he falters -- big hullabaloos don't really jibe with his storytelling style.
(when i say this, i make the caveat that house of m is the exception that proves the rule)
he's good at character work and revealing things little by little, which just does not sit well when you got oodles of big personalities punching other big personalities over the fate of everything in the universe. his wheelhouse is just in another zip code when it comes to that.
also bendis has written way too much good stuff to be dismissed as a hack the way some people like to do, but he definitely seems to have gotten assigned a lot of stuff lately that he didn't really care about or have a good idea for. His UXM run start strong but ended in a wet fart, I'm not sure why his GotG book even existed, and CW2 so far hasn't been particularly excellent
i've....softened on bendis
after @Balefuego wore me down and i read his daredevil, i can see what good he can do at marvel
(i always loved his indie stuff...and his sam and twitch. i really, really liked his sam and twitch)
i think his biggest issues all stem from scope. the bigger the scope, the more he falters -- big hullabaloos don't really jibe with his storytelling style.
(when i say this, i make the caveat that house of m is the exception that proves the rule)
he's good at character work and revealing things little by little, which just does not sit well when you got oodles of big personalities punching other big personalities over the fate of everything in the universe. his wheelhouse is just in another zip code when it comes to that.
This is why I am hoping his Defenders book will be the return to quality we have been missing for like 5 years now
He's said it is strictly street level and is his take at writing a Marvel Crime Drama which sounds very firmly in his wheelhouse
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I kinda figured Bendis more or less just entered the "eh this is good enough" phase of his career.
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I'm fairly confident Klaw will live, but the others... although I'm also guessing M'Baku won't be a full on villain, but rather a minor antagonistic character. Probably that one guy on a Wakandan governmental council who criticizes T'Challa's actions and is more bigoted towards outsiders.
Maybe. They do seem to be getting a bit better at that lately, with Zemo surviving Civil War and both Mordo and Dormammu surviving Dr. Strange.
I doubt anything DC is doing is of considerable concern to Marvel. The beauty of their model is that once theyve introduced Namor as part of their brand they have a pre-existing audience.
Also I realize that some people here are excited for Aquaman but gotta say I find calling his upcoming movie a juggernaut seems overly optemistic. Aquaman has a hard road to walk. It shouldnt matter but the dumb "aquaman is lame" memes have stuck in the public conciousness. Superman suffered a similar problem. A bunch of people who believed with certainty that Superman is perfect and boring and cant be challenged. MoS put a lot of effort towards combating that perception in its advertising and it just didnt work. Those people still stayed home and when the movie turned out to suck they blamed Superman despite it making no sense. Aquaman had the same problem without also having a large fanbase.
The problem is more with Bendis always using it to solve anything, more than the power itself. Doesn't the 616 Spider Woman have a similar power she barely ever uses?
Miles thing stops everyone from mooks to demons
Miles has basically a God Finger that will destroy you.
He can also store it up and do an AoE with it now.
I'm not a superfan of the latest issue but it is very good! I was real worried when they announced the post-secret wars hook of her being pregnant but single mom Spider-Woman is great.
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Is it Armond White?
If everyone loves a Thing X and one person firmly hates Thing X and has an articulate explanation for why, it's usually Armond White.
That kinda makes him less of Spider-Man and more of God-Hand.
dude reigns it in when doing criterion essays and they are really good.
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/848-white-dog-fuller-vs-racism
seriously?
I've been following the series on Unlimited, and he's done this kind of short burst AoE of his venom a few times. Works just like his venom shock, but hits everyone in an area around him even if they aren't touching him. So, like, the energy explodes off him, and then a few seconds later they fall unconscious.
I like Miles, I really want his series to succeed, but this ability that seems to be almost always effective still seems pretty bullshit.
If we ignore the fact that Ultimate Spider-Man is one of the greatest runs of a superhero comic ever, sure
Let's narrow it down to not understanding stuff he didn't create.
Damn.
To be fair, in that issue you are referring to, it takes 2 or 3 separate bursts to take out Hammerhead (It looks like he hits Hammerhead to me when I pull up the issue with the energy blast version), who is far from the scariest Marvel villain. The only other time he has done it was at the end of the Ultimate Universe, to get out of an energy field while being pumped full of lasers. So its a rare move, and venom blast doesn't seem to be too powerful (as he has mostly used it on low level mooks and Ultimate Green Goblin and Venom). The demon thing is more impressive, but around the same time that issue came out we had the X-Men fighting off a whole army of demons in Limbo so meh. The venom blast doesn't really bother me. If it manages to take down someone like Hulk, Thor, Thanos, etc. I'll think its overpowered then.
I do agree it would be fun to see Miles have to go up against an enemy that venom blast doesn't work against, someone whose physiology isn't human enough for it to work on (like Sandman).
And a lot of the other really quality stuff he's been a part of.
Like bendis has done a lot of bad stuff especially recently but its important to remember why he's been in the big chair for so long.
Im pretty sure this is a pacing problem by the by. I think bendis has a plan for resolving the venom sting and I believe that it likely could be satisfying except for the fact that he's simply taken to long to get around to it.
Its a constantly expanding problem I think. Dude needs to do some smaller runs and remember how to pace stories and not the kinda bs runs where he couches it as the beginning of a series of plot lines that somebody else will resolve.
I dont think you should cut him slack. Bad pacing is a real issue and lately even his good stuff is plagued by it. Im just saying he normally does good by ultimate Pete and miles and I trust that the conclusion for what hes doing with the venom blast will feel like something that would have been a good conclusion a year ago.
I like that idea that it might be kind of a continuation of the weird-science plot point they had with the Oz formula at the end of the ultimate universe; the fact that all these characters apparently are immortal gets brought up and then just dismissed as whatever. So far it's definitely just been 'Miles gets himself into a sticky wicket... whoops venom blast!' though
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Wait....it's still going?
About half-way. It's due to finish up by September.
You mean the post CW2 relaunch? Cus I'm pretty sure the epilogue to CW2 came out like 4 weeks ago.
Well, yes, if you want to use honesty and facts instead of outlandish jokes.
i've....softened on bendis
after @Balefuego wore me down and i read his daredevil, i can see what good he can do at marvel
(i always loved his indie stuff...and his sam and twitch. i really, really liked his sam and twitch)
i think his biggest issues all stem from scope. the bigger the scope, the more he falters -- big hullabaloos don't really jibe with his storytelling style.
(when i say this, i make the caveat that house of m is the exception that proves the rule)
he's good at character work and revealing things little by little, which just does not sit well when you got oodles of big personalities punching other big personalities over the fate of everything in the universe. his wheelhouse is just in another zip code when it comes to that.
He's said it is strictly street level and is his take at writing a Marvel Crime Drama which sounds very firmly in his wheelhouse
It was fine.
More competent?