That is an interesting series of events for the movie and doesn't really bode well for the quality of the movie... But I wish he had gone further into the social media post he references.
Death Sentence was a modernish remake on death wish and it was much less glamorizing vigilantes. Like by the end of the movie the main character is ruined entirely not smirking to a therapist.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah like I enjoy Willis as an actor and his action ouevre but Eli Roth doing a "vigilantism is cool" movie seems super wrong where america is right now.
Explain? Is there a higher amount of vigilante justice happening right now? I feel like I'm out of the loop.
The trailer looked fun and I'll probably see it.
Have you entirely missed police officers executing black people over perceived crimes?
A movie set in chicago a frequent right wing talking point about nebulous minority crime that has Bruce Willis killing people who are "criminals" is like really really bad optics.
No I'm well aware of cops shooting black people, but this movie isn't about cops shooting black people. It looks like your run of the mill vigilante justice movie. I recognize the name "Eli Roth" but don't know much about him. Is it because it's him directing it that makes it a sensitive topic? Right wingers have always used Chicago as an example of why gun control doesn't work. Should they have just used NYC instead?
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Death Wish '17 might be better if it wasn't called Death Wish. A bit too much humor and I really don't like the forced real life radio show stuff that feels dated a month after the film's release.
Then again it gets major, major points for casting Elisabeth Shue. I would go on a vigilante vengeance quest too. She is an angel, you do not touch her you punks.
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Maaaaan, that Death Wish trailer gave me some conflicting emotions. On the one hand, I like Bruce willis. He plays "stoic badass" very well, and those quips were just great. On the other hand, it's downright disgusting how this film feeds the "murdervengeance" fantasy, especially the family man angle. Our culture implicitly teaches family men that they are the protector of the family. Problem is, nowadays there is nothing tangible to defend the family from. There are no smilodons or short faced bears or rival tribesman to club to death. Modern threats to family safety, like losing your job or your children having a hard time at school, can't be killed. Thus the fantasy of a righteous rampage in defense of the family. The problem I'm having with this trailer is it's just too real to feed this fantasy as much as it does. That does not mean I'm always against cathartic indulgence in otherwise unhealthy ideas. Something like Taken is sufficiently removed from reality to be enjoyed. But a regular guy buying a gun and murdering people on the street is just too much. Maybe there's a twist where his daughter finds out he is the vigilante and she is so disgusted he winds up losing her, too, but I doubt it.
It's a movie about a good guy killing bad people it seems like. Then you read into that what you will.
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A good white bald guy in a hoodie murdering people.
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It's a movie about a good guy killing bad people it seems like. Then you read into that what you will.
This is so simplified as to be meaningless. It's not even a simplification, it's removing all context so what your left with is easily palatable. Its the fugu of opinions.
It's a movie about a good guy killing bad people it seems like. Then you read into that what you will.
This is so simplified as to be meaningless. It's not even a simplification, it's removing all context so what your left with is easily palatable. Its the fugu of opinions.
I can't recall if Death Sentence ever says what city it is in. It is far less celebratory in tone. The main character isn't killing everyone they think 'deserves' it.
His son is attacked with a knife in front of him during a robbery as part of a gang initiation. The son later dies in the hospital. The prosecutor is forced to drop the case because the father refuses to give testimony after the prosecutor says he should be able to get 3-5 years in a deal, but a conviction would be difficult, let alone a life sentence.
He targets the people responsible for his tragedy. And more importantly, everything past 20 minutes in, every horrible event, all the suffering, is solely because he chose to circumvent the legal system.
After his first act of revenge
The gang attacks his house, and kills his wife. She dies because he thought he would play executioner. His only surviving son is beaten nearly to death. At the time of the final standoff, to his knowledge his son is going to die. He's lost his whole family because of his choice.
At the end
Bacon's character bleeds to death after the final gun fight
Nobody's life is improved, he isn't a hero. He's just another statistic.
It isn't a great movie, and has a lot of serious problems (the derisive comments about the 'plight of inner city youth'), but the tone was far less "Rah rah" than this looks to be.
I haven't seen that, but that sounds awful. I don't need a movie telling me life sucks. Tastes etc.
It's a morality tale, and unlike lots of movies exploring the subject delved into how it'd realistically play out rather than be another wish fulfillment fantasy about being a vigilante and killing people. It's an excellent movie.
Don't care for morality tales, either. No shit exacting personal justice/going on a shooting spree would turn out bad, I don't need a movie telling me that. Movies are all about wish fulfillment for me. If I want reality I can look out a window. Blow things up. Punch that alien. Shoot those assholes. My parents and my brain had/have the morality stuff covered.
Not that it can't still be a good movie. But it be in despite of stuff like that making it depressing it sounds like on top of any preaching it may or may not do (again, for me).
And of course Netflix doesn't have it for me to decide. Bah.
Don't care for morality tales, either. No shit exacting personal justice/going on a shooting spree would turn out bad, I don't need a movie telling me that. Movies are all about wish fulfillment for me. If I want reality I can look out a window. Blow things up. Punch that alien. Shoot those assholes. My parents and my brain had/have the morality stuff covered.
Not that it can't still be a good movie. But it be in despite of stuff like that making it depressing it sounds like on top of any preaching it may or may not do (again, for me).
And of course Netflix doesn't have it for me to decide. Bah.
Plenty of good movies have been made about morality tales, crime fiction is rife with it. Devil's Advocate? Morality tale. Scarface? Morality tale. Gangster Squad? Bad movie with a shitty morality tale RE: condoning the actions of real crooked cops. Even super-heroes go into this like The Dark Knight. Do you like any of these movies?
That said, you don't have to agree with the morality tale to like it, or already being on board with the concept.
Nor does having a morality tale mean it has to be incredibly depressing like Sicaro or The Counsellor, there's a spectrum here.
I'm against preaching, including things I agree with - like Avatar, though it feels bit strange to assign every movie a morality tale under that umbrella. It'd also include a huge amount of tv shows, as well.
Death Sentence may be a downer, but it's a Disney musical to Sicaro.
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For being a 'morality tale', it's always scared me how many people take Scarface as an idolization of the lifestyle.
For being a 'morality tale', it's always scared me how many people take Scarface as an idolization of the lifestyle.
I don't know how common it is but I've heard that many people who do that turn it off before the ending.
Now you mention it, this is fairly common with works with villainous/anti-hero protagonists - like Breaking Bad, the Sopranos, Wall Street etc. It's disappointing to discover that disconnect.
Sometimes it's difficult for works like that to be seen as morality tales without simultaneously being perceived as either condoning the behavior, or having a fandom which misses the point. Oliver Stone goes through this a lot in his career.
I like not knowing if a work will end in a moral lesson or not. I don't judge them according to how closely they adhere to fable structure
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Kinda sad that Willis' abilities are being used on this.
That is an interesting series of events for the movie and doesn't really bode well for the quality of the movie... But I wish he had gone further into the social media post he references.
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The original did.
Then again it gets major, major points for casting Elisabeth Shue. I would go on a vigilante vengeance quest too. She is an angel, you do not touch her you punks.
It's gonna be gross and inappropriate in any year
Given Willis politics I'm not shocked he'd be ok signing up for a movie like that.
Now all we need are Jon Voight and Kelsey Grammer to guest star.
This honestly looks incredible
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Fuck you, sir.
edit: As for American Vandal, I'm hesitant on it because that lead guy is some Vine/Facebook comedian, which is pretty far down the quality ladder.
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Nah this is someone else trying to be Charles Bronson. So Statham should be upset.
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This is so simplified as to be meaningless. It's not even a simplification, it's removing all context so what your left with is easily palatable. Its the fugu of opinions.
e: For those not aware the reason the youtube video is unlisted is the url was obtained by a fan that solved a riddle on twitter.
It's a movie trailer. What I said is accurate.
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Compare it to the trailer for Death Sentence (Which was essentially Death Wish again)
I can't recall if Death Sentence ever says what city it is in. It is far less celebratory in tone. The main character isn't killing everyone they think 'deserves' it.
After his first act of revenge
It isn't a great movie, and has a lot of serious problems (the derisive comments about the 'plight of inner city youth'), but the tone was far less "Rah rah" than this looks to be.
I will not see Death Wish in a theater.
That's about all I have to say about Death Wish.
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Looks savage.
It's a morality tale, and unlike lots of movies exploring the subject delved into how it'd realistically play out rather than be another wish fulfillment fantasy about being a vigilante and killing people. It's an excellent movie.
Savages kind of does this, too.
Not that it can't still be a good movie. But it be in despite of stuff like that making it depressing it sounds like on top of any preaching it may or may not do (again, for me).
And of course Netflix doesn't have it for me to decide. Bah.
Plenty of good movies have been made about morality tales, crime fiction is rife with it. Devil's Advocate? Morality tale. Scarface? Morality tale. Gangster Squad? Bad movie with a shitty morality tale RE: condoning the actions of real crooked cops. Even super-heroes go into this like The Dark Knight. Do you like any of these movies?
That said, you don't have to agree with the morality tale to like it, or already being on board with the concept.
Nor does having a morality tale mean it has to be incredibly depressing like Sicaro or The Counsellor, there's a spectrum here.
I'm against preaching, including things I agree with - like Avatar, though it feels bit strange to assign every movie a morality tale under that umbrella. It'd also include a huge amount of tv shows, as well.
Death Sentence may be a downer, but it's a Disney musical to Sicaro.
I don't know how common it is but I've heard that many people who do that turn it off before the ending.
Now you mention it, this is fairly common with works with villainous/anti-hero protagonists - like Breaking Bad, the Sopranos, Wall Street etc. It's disappointing to discover that disconnect.
Sometimes it's difficult for works like that to be seen as morality tales without simultaneously being perceived as either condoning the behavior, or having a fandom which misses the point. Oliver Stone goes through this a lot in his career.
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Oh my goodness. This looks delightful.
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